Skip to comments.Prostate cancer found in half of men over 60 at time of death
Posted on 07/13/2013 4:42:55 AM PDT by rickmichaels
Half of men over the age of 60 who were studied posthumously were found to have prostate cancer even though they died of other causes, a new study out of Mount Sinai Hospital shows.
The study shows that a large proportion of prostate cancer tumours are in fact not life-threatening, Dr. Alexandre Zlotta said Friday.
Results show there should be an improved screening method which would detect the disease based on clinical significance and level of aggressiveness instead of screening for all forms of this cancer.
The findings also say the common use of prostate-specific antigen testing for the disease increases the risk of detecting low-risk prostate cancers and leads to unnecessary treatments.
In North America, men with clinically significant prostate cancer are offered radical treatment usually in the form of surgery or radiation and there are heavy personal tolls to these treatments, Zlotta said. But our study shows that in Japan, despite completely different lifestyles, despite a much lower incidence of clinically detected prostate cancer, and a much lower mortality rate due to prostate cancer compared to men in North America, Asian men have similar prevalence of the disease, but they arent dying from it.
Caucasian men in Russia, who share the same characteristics as men in North America, such as a high-fat diet and reduced sun exposure, were used in the study.
The study also researched Asian men in Japan, who generally have a lower death rate from prostate cancer than men in North America as they eat healthier diets.
By studying two different populations, the research showed that the differences in incidence and mortality rates, and in genetics and lifestyle factors, the likelihood of prostate cancer was similar in both Caucasian and Asian men.
The prostate cancer in Asian men was actually more aggressive but they actually died from other factors.
The medical community needs to reexamine the definitions of clinically unimportant and clinically significant prostate cancer, Zlotta said.
The study emphasizes the importance of understanding how many men in North America over a certain age harbour the latent form of prostate cancer, as this population is often over-diagnosed and over-treated, potentially leading to major side effects that affect lifestyle and personal well-being, he said.
“The study also researched Asian men in Japan, who generally have a lower death rate from prostate cancer than men in North America as they eat healthier diets.”
Because of beef, chicken, and pork - all contain too much anti-biotic and other chemicals, growth hormones, etc...The meat industry in the US is vile! On top of that, most Citizens don’t have proper nutrition - without a healthy gut - cancer will grow in every life form.
People in the U.S. are walking around almost dead...ask a person from another country what their meat taste like compared to the U.S. - there’s a BIG difference - most describe it as having a medicine smell and taste. Don’t want to die from cancer - stop eating meat, dairy, & sugars..replace it with veg’s, fruits, grains, and almond milk - plus large amounts of water! You will drop weight and feel so much better...that’s not s diet secret you have to spend $$$ on!
News that is decades old.
I suspect the levels of antibiotics and hormones in poultry, eggs and pork are higher and also less regulated in most Asian, African and South American countries than western ones.
Doctor said I would live longer if I gave up red meat, cigars and whiskey. It would sure seem longer.
I would rather die not knowing I have cancer then having to go through the hell that is cancer.
100% true, but try getting that through to people on FR between posting their next bacon thread. They get too angry and take it too personally.
“... use of prostate-specific antigen testing for the disease increases the risk of detecting low-risk prostate cancers and leads to unnecessary treatments.”
The PSA is very close to worthless. False positives, leading to unnecessary biopsies, are another consequence that our family has direct experience with. False negatives occur also, and are of course, a more serious problem.
There is a more productive test (kallikrein) in development, but last I knew, it was only available at the Johns Hopkins cancer center, and if you are there, it’s probably too late for a “screening”.
My personal approach to this has been (for multiple reasons) to switch to a very low carb (borderline keto) diet. Cancers are glucose-brittle, so running your body at least part of the time in nutritional ketosis is apt to be highly protective (cells that turn cancerous, die instead of growing and metastazing).
Up there with PSA in the pantheon of useless screens are the standard “cholesterol” panels, and TSH/total-T4 thyroid tests. They don’t measure what needs measuring and rely on faulty assumptions, which can be completely misleading in low carb.
I have a little boy I adopted that has cerebral palsy — I have no choice but to live longer and healthier...when I started looking at the grocer store - reading labels...I was like WOW- chemical warfare against the US public...I did it for me and him...and I feel soooo much better...and groceries actually cost less - because I eat less - but it’s all nutrient! It’s really the way to go....I’m not liberal either...highly conservative - and I want to conserve my health!
Are you daft? Do you realize that the incidence of thyroid conditions and cancers have risen exponentially in the last 40 years due to the overuse of soy products in our foods? Almost everything you eat today has soy in it, and what's the primary source of protein for vegetarians in the US? SOY!
I have non-Hashimoto's thyroiditis. It runs on both sides of my family, but since I was diagnosed 8 years ago, I cut back on soy significantly and went from being on the highest daily dose of levothyroxine to the lowest. Vegetarianism and not eating meat was LITERALLY KILLING ME!
Vegetarians and vegans disgust me in the same way that haughty Liberals make me irate. There's really no such thing as a "one size fits all" meal plan for anyone. I thrive on lean meats (pork, chicken, fish, beef, goat, etc.) and I consume a lot of vegetables and fruits as well.
While I agree that we, as a society, have overused and abused sugar, telling us to give up meat is like telling a shark to eat kelp. You ever looked at your teeth? Human beings are omnivores. We have sharp incisors and canines to rip and tear flesh, and we have large, flat molars to grind meats and fibers from vegetables. Neanderthals didn't survive on vegetables alone. As a matter of fact, during the long winters, they'd need the fat and protein from meat to stay warm and energized. That's not something vegetables alone can provide.
You only need to look at and understand human physiology to understand that we are both hunters AND gatherers. You can't put off an entire division of food (meat) because the mass produced markets taint the supplies. If you have land, invest in livestock. Raise them on your own with food you choose to feed them. A tenderloin from a freshly-slaughtered pig is bright red and tastes like Heaven when braised in butter and rosemary. A rack of ribs from a heifer you raised from birth is like a gift from God.
Just like the vegetarians are raging against Monsanto for their GMO BS, so should meat eaters rage against the meat industry for all the crap they put in our food. We want the same outcomes, friend, but to sit here and espouse a universal truth about human dietary functionality on a diet of only vegetables and fruits is laughable and dangerous. It doesn't suit everyone's lifestyle and has no longitudinally proven health benefits over a diet inclusive of lean meats.
Yep. Monsanto is a demon from hell. And after giving up meat, dairy , eggs and even alcohol (and I LOVED me the hooch!), you know what the hardest thing to give up was? Diet soda, believe it or not. Everything else was easy, but I kept going back to that crap like a heroin addict. Truly toxic stuff. Finally off it after decades. Can't believe it didn't kill me.
BTW, the problem I have with "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead" is that juicing is like drinking pure sugar. Blending is the way to go. Blending keeps the "whole" food in tact. Check out the Engine 2 plan. That's my guideline.
I'm in the same boat, FRiend. Understanding and taking advantage of ketosis has saved my life. All of the sugar and grains we've been fed over the years turned me into a butterball. Once I realized that sugar and grain actually creates an inflammation response in the body, I decided to try a keto diet. To my amazement, I dropped over 150 lb. in less than 18 months, I was highly energetic, my cholesterol and triglycerides plummeted, I could run for miles without fatigue, and keeping to a keto diet was beyond simple.
With regards to TSH/T4, I will marginally disagree with you. My family's had thyroid issues for generations, and having suffered from it myself, I can say it's a very real problem. I do, however, believe that diet is the primary culprit in the destruction of our thyroids and our waistlines.
Cancer only became a big health problem in the 20th century, it seems. Was it our migration to modern lifestyles of leisure? Did our diets change so dramatically? Did our medical sciences finally start diagnosing cancer reliably?
Well, no one is forcing anything on you so relax. Anger is bad for your health.
An obese woman I know eats a little meat at dinner but tons of everything else throughout the day. I would say her diet is balanced. She is very healthy except for one genetic disease (something with her veins) that should have killed her by now. She’s 80.
The bacon people are reacting to the veggie image vs cowboy image. I’m surprised our muslim administration hasn’t outlawed bacon.
where did I post anywhere on eating SOY? I don’t eat soy...and if I do - it is such a low amount...but that is IF I do...
The other thing I avoid is fat on beef or in dairy. I've been told most of the antibiotics settle in it.
I live on what's now sometimes called "pure foods". It's getting easier to do so, as more people are watching what they eat, more mainstream foods are okay.
It’s not the meat, it’s the sugar. Sugar feeds cancer.
Well being vegan/vegtarian in and of itself does'nt keep one from being obese or unhealthy. Tons of junk food is vegan. You still have to eat right. I'm oil-free, whole food, plant -based only. I love it. And yes, I know the bacon threads are a response to perceived threat. I get it. Too funny!
YEAP - Engine 2 plan - I’m eating a bowl of that mixed cereal right now! That lasagne - if dropped on a person from above - would crush them...I never weighed that dish - but the nutrient dense veg’s stack up!
its the undigested meat that contributes to an unhealthy gut - yes sugur feeds cancer - but there is a multiple element approach where cancers gets a foothold and starts growing. At the end of the day, this comes down to a personal choice - a choice where people have to do their own research and decide for themselves...not eating meat will not kill you - it will actually make you healthier...check out http://engine2diet.com/ - the entire fire depart has gone this route....it’s another way to defeat Obamacare — by LIVING!
The hell that is cancer treatment...
Again, Prostate cancer is normally something you die with, unless you “eat healthy like an Asian” in which case it becomes something you can die of.
High fat diets seem to keep prostate cancer in check. High carbohydrate diets seem to enable prostate cancer to become more aggressive.
Yup, but it depends on the diet strategy. The diet that "Wheat Belly" (Davis) recommends is borderline keto (although he doesn't say so outright) and is easy to stay on, and getting easier.
> With regards to TSH/T4, I will marginally disagree with you. My family's had thyroid issues for generations, and having suffered from it myself, I can say it's a very real problem.
Absolutely, my family too. The problem is that what needs to be measured (free T3, free T4 and reverse T3) are not in the standard panel, and the usual treatment excludes T3 and/or dessicated thyroid. See "Stop the Thyroid Madness" (Bowthorpe).
>I do, however, believe that diet is the primary culprit in the destruction of our thyroids and our waistlines.
Little question about it.
> Cancer only became a big health problem in the 20th century, it seems.
And very little progress since Nixon declared "war" on it, in terms of survival rates for most types. Lots of money spent, tho.
> Was it our migration to modern lifestyles of leisure?
No, but the people digging in the wrong place for a cure do like to blame the victim.
> Did our diets change so dramatically?
Yes. There are multiple near-simultaneous problems:
There are further problems with trans fats, omega 6 oils, and probably GMO, but I don't think we'll have the full picture on those until the big 3 are swept away.
> Did our medical sciences finally start diagnosing cancer reliably?
What matters is what people die of, and the picture for cancer hasn't changed much.
This report got my attention:
CBN: Starving Cancer: Ketogenic Diet a Key to Recovery
Two striking things about that:
Connecting the dots led me to:
"Cancer as a Metabolic Disease" (Seyfried, 2012)
Note: this is an expensive scholarly text.
It concludes that a calorie-restricted keto diet may be the most effective treatment for cancer presently available.
Sounds like a great diet. Wine and brandy come from fruit, and whiskey and beer come from grains. Almond milk probably tastes great when mixed with gin.
A majority of vegetarians I know tout tofu (soy) as the go-to for protein since protein from vegetable sources is not very diverse. Or are you a vegetarian who just doesn’t eat land animals?
A majority of antibiotics are fat-soluble, so yes, any type of animal fat is going to be the storage locker for whatever the animal ate or was fed before slaughter.
I don’t do sweeteners at all. I am lucky to not have a sweet tooth, and I generally avoid any sweet foods except for an occasional peach or prune.
I’m an adherent to the Paleo Diet in general. While I disagree with their addition of certain high-sugar fruits, I find that a healthy mixture of Paleo, keto/Atkins, and non-soy has provided the most favorable results for my health.
I’ve followed your posts for a while now, boundless, and we’re in general agreement across the board. You’ve done a lot more research and homework than I have into your niches, but I’ve experimented for the better part of 15 years to conquer and stave off obesity through dietary science.
One of the most insidious things with diet in this country is the outright ridiculous espousal of high-carb/grain diets by our own government! Since the 1980s, America’s obesity epidemic has become worse every year, every decade. You would think SOMEONE would step up to say, “Umm... maybe we’re giving bad advice?”
But then considering how much grain producers give the Federal government, it’s really no surprise to me that we’re forced to eat that which is making us fat and killing us.
If one goes Soy, good to get fermented Soy, that’s what the Okinawans mainly eat, that’s a whole ‘nuther topic in itself.
This is a real good thread.
It's the meat from factory farm raised animals and its lack of omega-3, that is bad for you.
The USDA food pyramid is a joke.
Think people: how is it animals don’t need dentists?
How could it be that humans alone evolved with the first means of injesting sustenance—teeth—that are quickly destroyed by the very food they eat?
Unless we did not evolve to eat such food.
And if we’re eating food that rots our teeth, who knows what other damage it’s doing to our insides which are hidden from view.
Sugar and such “foods” as bread, pasta, dairy should all not be eaten.
Is "medicine smell and taste" like the sound of wet grass?
“You would think SOMEONE would step up to say, ‘Umm... maybe were giving bad advice?’
Some are saying it—but are people listening?
Sugar: The Bitter Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
My rule: if it comes in a bag or a box, it doesn’t go into my mouth.
The official diet, which all other agencies endorse, comes from the USDA, which is the revolving door employer for the grain industry. The FDA is the revolving door employer for the drug industry, who are making big bucks on potions to manage (but never cure) the consequences of the USDA diet.
I work in the farm machinery biz, by the way, and when people figure out what the problem is, and how to fix it, the company will be facing "interesting" times. I'm doing what I can to warn management.
I wouldn't bother. With the way politics work in this country, the agri-pharma-tobacco industry complex will have complete control over their respective agencies for time immemorial.
Common sense does not equal cash.
> I wouldn't bother. With the way politics work in this country, the agri-pharma-tobacco industry complex will have complete control over their respective agencies for time immemorial.
The USDA and FDA may be beyond remediation, but they don't yet directly control how individuals spend their food dollar. If a significant number of people ditch wheat and added fructose, and go low carb, farming is going to have to change radically (speaking as a small farmer, also).
If the market for wheat collapses, I suppose the USDA might subsidize it anyway, and dump the surplus at sea, or give it to the Norks, but you don't have to eat it.
While we are on the subject, what might one try for carbohydrates? I can cook up a fair amount of brown rice, quinoa which I know has a lot of protein it, etc. Even chia seeds.
Sometimes, when I don’t feel like I’m getting enough veggies, I go for the whole food pills or mixes too which have a wide array of nutrients.
Try for carbohydrates? You mean to consume? I espouse a carbohydrate-free lifestyle. If you have to take in carbs, make sure they’re paired with high fiber such as with firm-skinned fruits.
No legumes, no tubers, no processed or pasteurized foods. All natural eating is easy: can you go out in a field somewhere and pick it or kill it and grill it and have a tasty meal? Then it can be consumed!
I'm no vegetarian but I couldn't care less about people that are. No skin off my back if they don't want to eat meat. Why would it bother you so much?
Anger, jealousy and envy are self-destructive emotions. They only hurt you and they eat away at your well-being. Learn to live and let live and your life will be much happier and less stressful.
I equate the “movement” to the homosexual lobby. They push and push for some sort of societal “acceptance.” Vegetarians and vegans have been some of the most vocal, in-your-face sort of people I’ve ever met. And much like homosexuals, they push for us to give up meat as if it’s some sociological taboo.
The vegetarian/vegan movements also brought us the “soy coalitions” who pushed food packagers to use soy instead of other vegetable-based oils in our foods like salad dressing. Having a thyroid condition, I am particularly sensitive to soy products, and the phytoestrogens in soy have been shown to cause sexual dysfunction in men including the onset of gynecomastia (breast tissue growth in men).
Take a look at the ingredient lists on your favorite foods and even cosmetics and body care products. Soy is in EVERYTHING, and I doubt we have a clear grasp on the impact soy will have on the body long term quite yet.
The yearly digital exam followed up with a PSA test right now is the best for early detection. Anything above a 10 reading you need help. Some doctors likely say lower so they can contain it. The whole thing you have to watch is making sure it stays localized within the Gland itself and doesn't move into regions like the Pelvic area. You can even go through Castration as a treatment to stop the progression once it has left the gland to other regions and your body will still start producing Testosterone by other means enough to eventually feed the cancer again. However such surgery can also perhaps buy you a decade like it did for my dad who initially was given three years too live. His quality of life at his age of detection in his early 70's was not drastically effected going this route.
The cancer finally took him in Oct 2011. His last year was his roughest. Before that he was active and enjoying life even with the radical surgery he's undergone ten years earlier. This was because he was otherwise so darn healthy other common causes didn't kill him like the doctors thought it would. He lived to be 83 and ate what he darn well pleased diet wise within reason. The only diet changed his doctor really pushed more than anything was eating Tomatoes.
Every male should be checked yearly especially if there is family history. Personally I would do it in the late 40's if there is family history.
I ran into an old shipmate at Wally World a couple years ago. He's my age and we were talking. I told him my dad was fixing to pass from Prostate Cancer. He said they had just removed his Prostate because he had aggressive Prostate cancer. He was in his early 50's at the time maybe 53. His dad died of cancer what type I do not know. One common thing they did have besides genetics was both drank although my shipmate hadn't drank likely in about 25-30 years.
One other thing real important. The Prostate over time will start to enlarge although the enlargement is Benign. This effects urine flow somewhat. It is best to get a medication for that issue. These are the things that matter in prevention more so than diets etc. I'll likely develop Prostate Cancer at some point. I'm counting on early detection and wait and see even after it is found as to the course of treatment. With my family history ignoring it would not be smart.
Plain and simple truth is little is still known about Prostate Cancer for the simple reason men in years past usually did not live long enough for it to really be noticeable. They died of other causes first.
I see the PSA as a "red flag, you might want to look into this" test. If it weren't for a PSA screening I did in January, I wouldn't know now that I have T2B/C, Gleason 3+4 cancer (diagnosed via biopsy). At 50 years of age, I'm all for attempting to eradicate it.
I, for one, am glad the PSA screening exists.
If that is true, why would you want to "live longer" anyway?
PS Your Doc forgot loose women...
Yep. Monsanto is a demon from hell. And after giving up meat, dairy , eggs and even alcohol (and I LOVED me the hooch!), you know what the hardest thing to give up was?
I make my own wine and beer. Soda? I never really liked it. I’ve always prefered “raw sugar.”
I used to love potato chips until I went for a month without them. The next time I tried “just one” it tasted DISGUSTING.
My women are tight.
“Of course the rising price of beef will affect our business. We sold 12 billion hamburgers last year, and that represents nearly 9 pounds of ground beef.” Chuck Connors as Ray Kroc on Saturday Night Live.
Animals do get cavities. They also die younger than humans.