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ADDRESS to the PEOPLE of the FREE STATESby thePRESIDENT of the SOUTHERN CONFEDERACY
Core Materials ^ | January 5, 1863 | Jefferson Davis

Posted on 07/08/2013 2:18:10 PM PDT by Sherman Logan

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To: colorado tanker

You have a more digestible link?


21 posted on 07/08/2013 2:59:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Snickering Hound
At least his wife Varina was sane.

Then there was only a single wackdoodle in either partnership. Kinda hot too.

In a Morticia Adams kind of way, maybe.

22 posted on 07/08/2013 3:01:27 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: GraceG

Slavery was a very different affair in the days of our founders and it had changed considerably from the 1650s or so when it rose out of indentured servitude. Even this wiki account of the life of Washington’s personal slave gives the impression that Billy Lee was far more than a slave. He had a better life than poor white farmers of the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lee_%28valet%29

George Whitefield is an interesting character in that even when he supported slavery early in life he saw it as a means of gaining freedom from the barbarism of Africa. He later became an abolitionist but always believed that an education for all slaves was essential to their future independence. A slave named Phyllis Wheatly was a well known poet (not a well known black poet) of the day and eulogized Whitefield in glowing terms.


23 posted on 07/08/2013 3:05:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: CodeToad
Even Lincoln wanted laws forbidding blacks to marry whites.

AFAIK, he never opposed such laws, but I've never seen any evidence he promoted them.

Even Lincoln wanted free blacks to remain out of Illinois.

Again, I am unaware of his publicly opposing such laws, but also of any evidence he "wanted" them.

Even Lincoln’s first inaugural address he claimed he had no intention of interfering with slavery.

Flatly untrue. He stated he had no intention of interfering with slavery "within a state." He had every intention of interfering with it in the territories and in DC, where he had constitutional power to propose interference.

In fact, Lincoln, during his single term in Congress, proposed a bill "interfering" with slavery in DC. In 1849!

http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/inside.asp?ID=37&subjectID=3

Something I've never seen mentioned is that Congress could have entirely constitutionally passed a law prohibiting interstate traffic in slaves, even between slave states. Which would have put a real crimp in the market and constituted big-time interference.

24 posted on 07/08/2013 3:08:26 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Yeah, that link looked weird to me too.

If you go here and "search" for "Jefferson Davis address", you'll find it.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html

25 posted on 07/08/2013 3:12:12 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Sherman Logan

Amazing we didn’t hang him.


26 posted on 07/08/2013 3:28:32 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: 0.E.O
I share your inherent skepticism, but did find this: Library of Congress
27 posted on 07/08/2013 4:14:45 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Sherman Logan

Not only that, but he declares that all those of African ancestry in the United States are his, to take to the states of the insurrection and to relegate, they and their issue forever to slavery.

And keep in mind that any judge could declare that any white person was of African issue. That meant that anyone was subject to being made a slave at any time.

It would have been interesting if someone had come up with a forged document, but one signed off by a corrupt judge making Jeff Davis a person of African ancestry and therefore a slave forever.

The current science recognizes that all humans are of African heritage, so it would have been true.


28 posted on 07/08/2013 8:38:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Furthermore, the Constitution forbids “Corruption of the blood” which would reasonably free any child of a slave until they had committed some offense personally.


29 posted on 07/08/2013 8:40:29 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: 0.E.O

My recollection was that she was considered the prime catch of her day. Her father was supposedly not terribly happy to have her courted by an older widower.


30 posted on 07/08/2013 8:42:33 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: RedStateRocker

I suppose it is even more suprising that he wasn’t roasted over a slow fire.


31 posted on 07/08/2013 8:43:13 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: 0.E.O

North Carolina permitted freedmen of African heritage to vote until 1835.


32 posted on 07/08/2013 8:44:18 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: CodeToad

So we have now established that not only were those not atrocities, they are also not true.

No, lies don’t make liberals heads blow up. If they did, then we would have fewer liberals.


33 posted on 07/08/2013 8:46:15 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Sherman Logan

If the slaves had slaughtered whites in self defense, it would not have been an atrocity.

From my perspective, raping slaves, a frequent practice in the antebellum south, was an atrocity.


34 posted on 07/08/2013 8:48:07 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: cripplecreek

And as a mullato, he was probably half of African descent and half descended from the Lee family.


35 posted on 07/08/2013 8:56:39 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker
If the slaves had slaughtered whites in self defense, it would not have been an atrocity.

If slaves had revolted and defended their freedom with lethal force against those attempting to re-enslave them, it would not have been an atrocity.

If they had revolted during the War, and slaughtered all the whites they could get at, who would mostly have been women, children and old men, since most young men were off fighting the War, those would most certainly have been atrocities, as similar actions by anyone else at any time are.

The Haitian Revolution was characterized throughout by horrible atrocities committed by all sides, and that is what white southerners expected if their black slaves got the chance. Well, during the War they certainly got the chance, and they did no such thing. For which I believe they get way too little credit, since they most certainly had provocation.

From my perspective, raping slaves, a frequent practice in the antebellum south, was an atrocity.

Absolutely agree. Though it is probable that physical force (rape-rape) was not usually required.

Feminists today, with some validity, obsess about how true sexual consent is not possible in a condition of extreme power differential. And of course chattel slavery is the ultimate power differential. It is fairly obvious that in many cases enthusiastic pleasuring of the master could get an attractive young female slave better treatment. A lot of the time they probably competed with each other for his attentions.

All of this, the sexual use of those within his power by the master, and the catering to his lusts by the slaves, are just examples of "human nature" in the biological sense. There was nothing at all to stop him from having his own harem, except his conscience, which in many men is not well developed. This is how masters and slaves behaved, for the most part, in the ancient world and the Muslim world, and indeed anywhere and anywhen slavery existed.

The difference is that the Christian worldview showed clearly that this was evil, and that it constituted atrocity. That slavery inevitably leads to such things shows clearly why it itself is an atrocity and very nearly the ultimate evil.

36 posted on 07/09/2013 1:57:42 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: donmeaker
North Carolina permitted freedmen of African heritage to vote until 1835.

And after that?

37 posted on 07/09/2013 3:33:49 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: donmeaker
My recollection was that she was considered the prime catch of her day. Her father was supposedly not terribly happy to have her courted by an older widower.

I'm sure she was the Cameron Diaz of the mid-19th century.

38 posted on 07/09/2013 3:34:46 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Sherman Logan

bflr


39 posted on 07/09/2013 3:12:36 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: 0.E.O; donmeaker
North Carolina permitted freedmen of African heritage to vote until 1835.

And after that?

They put in a new state constitution that limited the franchise to white men only.

I believe a few states (NY?) originally had loopholes that theoretically allowed some women to vote.

40 posted on 07/09/2013 3:51:47 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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