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Posted on 07/07/2013 9:09:37 PM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Mother tells how she was strapped down while prison doctors persuaded her to be sterilized as it emerges nearly 250 California inmates were 'pressured' into the surgery

A shocking new report reveals that nearly 250 women have been sterilized in California prisons since the 1990s, some as recently as 2010.

Many of the women say that they were repeatedly pressured into having tubal ligation surgeries by prison doctors - raising the specter of California's dark history of eugenics.

Female inmates revealed stories of being told - while in labor - that they should have the surgery, without being given a reason why it was medically necessary.

The Center for Investigative Reporting found that between 1997 and 2010, the state of California paid more than $147,000 for sterilization surgeries on 148 sterilization surgeries - all of which were performed without proper state approval or oversight.

Instead of going through state prison healthcare regulators, doctors took it in their own hands to order the permanent surgery, which is commonly referred to as a woman 'having her tubes tied.'

Dr James Heinrich, the for OB-GYN at Valley State Prison for Women in Chowchilla, California, said the money was a bargain for California taxpayers.

'Over a 10-year period, that isn’t a huge amount of money compared to what you save in welfare paying for these unwanted children – as they procreated more,' he told the CIR.

He said no patients were coerced into having sterilization surgery and he only recommended women who were at risk after multiple C-sections.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: moralabsolutes; prolife
Operation good breeding still going strong.
1 posted on 07/07/2013 9:09:37 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Sickening. People should fry for this.


2 posted on 07/07/2013 9:10:55 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Morgana

Democrats....


3 posted on 07/07/2013 9:12:38 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Morgana

Isn’t it common practice to offer the option outside of the prison realm too? Especially with older moms after multiple births?


4 posted on 07/07/2013 9:13:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: Morgana

Over a 10-year period, that isn’t a huge amount of money compared to what you save in welfare paying for these unwanted children – as they procreated more,’ he told the CIR.
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I will play ‘Devils Advocate’ here for a minute but how many people on this list would agree with the procedure, wholeheartedly if it was presented in the above form?
My guess is the vast majority......


5 posted on 07/07/2013 9:15:59 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Inside every 'older' man there is a 'younger' man wondering "WTF happened")
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To: Viennacon

Work in a NICU and take care of their 4th or 5th withdrawing child and maybe you’d change your mind.


6 posted on 07/07/2013 9:21:55 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Morgana
Female inmates revealed stories of being told - while in labor - that they should have the surgery, without being given a reason why it was medically necessary.

A woman I know who was in a regular hospital and not a prison told me that when she was in active labor with her second baby, she was asked numerous times to sign a form for tubal ligation. The nurses seemed to wait after particularly painful contractions for their request.

7 posted on 07/07/2013 9:29:09 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Morgana

Boo freakin hoo.


8 posted on 07/07/2013 9:37:54 PM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: montag813
30 years ago I was in a class at Tacoma Community College. A 25 year old welfare mother with 6 kids from 6 different “partners” shared with the class... how when she was having her last baby by Cesarean the doctor tried to talk her into “tying her tubes” while he was doing the surgery. She said she wasn't going to let any doctor take away her reproductive rights.
9 posted on 07/07/2013 10:29:34 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: xrmusn

Looks like you win!


10 posted on 07/07/2013 10:35:49 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: fireman15
She said she wasn't going to let any doctor take away her reproductive rights.

What are "reproductive rights"?

11 posted on 07/07/2013 10:36:17 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont; fireman15
A 25 year old welfare mother with 6 kids from 6 different “partners”… She said she wasn't going to let any doctor take away her reproductive rights.

I guess I would have to ask this welfare mother why her reproductive rights were costing me money.

How does her choice to reproduce incur upon me (or anyone not directly involved in the generation of her children) a debt.

12 posted on 07/07/2013 10:56:15 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: thecodont

Reproductive rights are the right to bear as many children as the state can afford to raise, or to kill as many as you don’t want.


13 posted on 07/07/2013 10:58:11 PM PDT by Catsrus (gg)
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To: Pontiac

“I guess I would have to ask this welfare mother why her reproductive rights were costing me money. “

It is costing you money because the democrats have destroyed marriage and she does not know who the baby’s daddy(s) are to pay child support.


14 posted on 07/07/2013 11:02:40 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Slyfox

I’ve had four, and nobody ever even suggested such a thing...which is a good thing, because I would have taken their head off. :)


15 posted on 07/07/2013 11:07:52 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: Morgana

>>>nearly 250 women have been sterilized in California prisons since the 1990s, some as recently as 2010.<<<

How many of them are decent hardworking conservatives?

I couldn’t care less.

We get less violent criminals, dim voters and EBT holders as a result.

No abortion as well.


16 posted on 07/08/2013 12:33:06 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Morgana

If women are being forced to have their tubes tied, why don’t they do a same to men, plug their one tube?


17 posted on 07/08/2013 2:03:05 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Morgana

The article doesn’t state they had their tubes tied without premission, just without state oversight.....as long as there is written consent .....by the welfare queen...

I don’t see a problem here....


18 posted on 07/08/2013 2:17:56 AM PDT by Popman
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To: DLfromthedesert

What’s an NICU? National Investigative Credit Union?


19 posted on 07/08/2013 3:01:17 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

Neonatal Intensive Care Unit, aka the preemie nursery. Not all of the babies there are the result of maternal stupidity.


20 posted on 07/08/2013 3:12:46 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Slyfox
A woman I know who was in a regular hospital and not a prison told me that when she was in active labor with her second baby, she was asked numerous times to sign a form for tubal ligation. The nurses seemed to wait after particularly painful contractions for their request.

An agreement made while under duress is not made freely, and thus is not legally binding. Sue.

21 posted on 07/08/2013 3:30:33 AM PDT by Teacher317 (The public is being manipulated to fleece the taxpayer. That is the real industry in Washington.)
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To: cunning_fish
How many of them are decent hardworking conservatives?
I couldn’t care less.
We get less violent criminals, dim voters and EBT holders as a result.
No abortion as well.

Injustice should not be tolerated simply because the victims are those you dislike... because next time, the same methods will be used on those you do favor. The Christian faith also has a few things to say about it, including the basic "Do unto others..."

22 posted on 07/08/2013 3:34:57 AM PDT by Teacher317 (The public is being manipulated to fleece the taxpayer. That is the real industry in Washington.)
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To: xrmusn

I think it should be mandatory for people receiving welfare.

If you don’t like it get off the government dole.


23 posted on 07/08/2013 3:49:21 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Lots of good decent people who are on welfare temporarily ...because of circumstances beyond their control....lost job, honestly disabled, etc...

Yup...no more babies for you....even after they get their life on track...

Sometimes babies just happen even with preventative measures. ..

No wonder libtards think we are haters....


24 posted on 07/08/2013 4:11:51 AM PDT by Popman
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To: Popman

babies never “just happen”. There are protocols involved.


25 posted on 07/08/2013 4:22:14 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: cunning_fish
How many of them are decent hardworking conservatives?

I couldn’t care less.

We get less violent criminals, dim voters and EBT holders as a result.

No abortion as well.

That's EXACTLY the kind of neo-fascist attitude that will bring down our country.

DO YOU REALLY want government officials to STERILIZE people you don't like? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE NAZIS DID!

And what will you do if such procedures came out of the prisons to a school near you...? Do you really think such a movement would stop at welfare queens, and wouldn't target so-called "enemies of the state" like YOUR DAUGHTERS????

Eugenics schemes like this were routinely administered in 1920s and 1930s Germany....culminating ultimately in Auschwitz.

No freedom loving conservative or Christian can tolerate this whatsoever.

26 posted on 07/08/2013 4:28:08 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Popman
No wonder libtards think we are haters....

Let me get in the cross hairs with you Pop, as you will surely get flamed for that! Folks who focus their derision upon the victims of government run amok are off target."Welfare Queens" did not enact the law, nor do they fund it.

27 posted on 07/08/2013 4:30:47 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Popman
I heard that all before welfare makes people dependent and the more you give them the more dependent they become.

Just like feeding wild animals the more you feed them the more they want and the less they do for them self's.

28 posted on 07/08/2013 4:51:11 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Morgana
You can bet these are not sorority girls. Women in prison most often are there for repeated drug offenses. We are talking mostly crack whores and meth users here. The American taxpayer should not be burdened further, but a temporary sterilization method would be preferable because even a crack whore stands a chance of turning her life around. I really hate the idea of using the power of the state to impose such a permanent penalty upon someone. It seems like mayhem to me, which I thought was outlawed in the western world as a form of punishment.
29 posted on 07/08/2013 5:52:23 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Go Cowboys!)
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To: NonValueAdded; Morgana; Hardraade; xrmusn; montag813; Politicalmom
"Isn't it a common practice..."

I understand that in Sudan, female genital mutilation is common too. Maiming surgery isn't right even if it is common.

And yes, I am using "maiming" in the dictionary-accurate sense:

Verb
To wound or injure (someone) so that part of the body is permanently damaged.

To deprive of the use of some part of the body by removal, or by disabling its function.

30 posted on 07/08/2013 6:01:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Morgana

The assault on women’s bodies as they were created by God is a rejection of the Creator Himself. “Freep you, you got it wrong!”

It’s so easy to mutilate women ... and it’s so difficult to build a culture in which all people, men and women, thank God for the gift of their embodied life by conducting themselves in holiness, as sons and daughters of the King.


31 posted on 07/08/2013 6:28:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (And I'm like, "So we die. Whatever.")
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To: Jay Redhawk

“You can bet these are not sorority girls”

You’ve never been to college have you? Sorority girls are the meanest b!tches on campus. Yes women in prison are sorority girls. All be it their own sorority.


32 posted on 07/08/2013 7:35:06 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Actually I have spent considerable time at several different colleges and more than one penitentiary. Sorority girls are some hateful mean bitches, but they are pikers compared to the prison dykes and trash. The kind of abuse that goes on inside the joint is more terrifying that most can imagine.


33 posted on 07/08/2013 7:59:57 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be crack whores.)
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To: Teacher317

Well, she didn’t go through with it, but it sure did make her mad.


34 posted on 07/08/2013 9:13:27 AM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Politicalmom
I’ve had four, and nobody ever even suggested such a thing

For some reason, some people seem to think that everyone should have just two when people really want more than two.

It is usually liberals who think that the more kids you have the more resources you're gonna hog.

35 posted on 07/08/2013 9:16:47 AM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: xrmusn

Over a 10-year period, that isn’t a huge amount of money compared to what you save in welfare paying for these unwanted children – as they procreated more,’ he told the CIR.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
I will play ‘Devils Advocate’ here for a minute but how many people on this list would agree with the procedure, wholeheartedly if it was presented in the above form?
My guess is the vast majority......


After the second(?) third(?) crack-addicted newborn?

After the sixth baby by five fathers who is going to grow up on welfare and start cranking out (or fathering) their own babies at age 13?

Tough call — unless one is a proglodyte — then the “common good” trumps all.


36 posted on 07/08/2013 10:23:20 AM PDT by Peet (Come back with a warrant.)
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To: don-o

I guess I’m right there with you. Maybe these so-called conservatives who think this is fine and dandy will be the ones hauling us off to the camps.


37 posted on 07/08/2013 10:51:08 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: don-o

Add me in as well. It’s surprising that many people here seem to be alright with this. Margaret Sanger’s ghost lives on...


38 posted on 07/08/2013 11:24:38 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Ken522

Neonatal intensive care unit


39 posted on 07/08/2013 1:05:39 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Teacher317
An agreement made while under duress is not made freely, and thus is not legally binding. Sue.

Women are under duress when they enter an abortion clinic.

40 posted on 07/08/2013 2:58:49 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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