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Snails Reveal Ancient Human Migration from France to Ireland
Popular Archaeology ^ | Wednesday, June 19, 2013 | Public Library of Science

Posted on 06/23/2013 4:32:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A genetic study of snails, combined with other factors, suggests a migration of Mesolithic peoples from the Pyrenees to Ireland.

A recent study of the mitochondrial DNA of the Cepaea nemoralis land snail, a snail curiously common only between Ireland and the Pyrenees region of Southern France, has led researchers to conclude the possibility that ancient Mesolithic people carried the fauna with them in a migration from the French region to Ireland about 8,000 years ago.

This correlates with studies of human genetics and the colonization of Ireland, according to the research* published June 19 in the open access journal PLOS ONE by Angus Davison and colleagues from the University of Nottingham, UK.

Ireland and this region of France are thousands of miles apart.

Says Davison, "There is a very clear pattern, which is difficult to explain except by involving humans. If the snails naturally colonized Ireland, you would expect to find some of the same genetic type in other areas of Europe, especially Britain. We just don't find them."

Moreover, he adds, "There are records of Mesolithic or Stone Age humans eating snails in the Pyrenees, and perhaps even farming them. The highways of the past were rivers and the ocean – as the river that flanks the Pyrenees was an ancient trade route to the Atlantic, what we're actually seeing might be the long lasting legacy of snails that hitched a ride, accidentally or perhaps as food, as humans travelled from the South of France to Ireland 8,000 years ago."

*Grindon AJ, Davison A (2013) Irish Cepaea nemoralis Land Snails Have a Cryptic Franco-Iberian Origin That Is Most Easily Explained by the Movements of Mesolithic Humans. PLoS ONE 8(6): e65792. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0065792

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: bookofinvasions; bookofoccupations; cepaeanemoralis; dietandcuisine; escargot; fartyshadesofgreen; france; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; ireland; mesolithic; pyrenees
Genetic markers in banded wood snails in Ireland and France reveal ancient human migrations. Credit: Lauren Holden

Snails Reveal Ancient Human Migration from France to Ireland

1 posted on 06/23/2013 4:32:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/celtic/irish/

http://www.donaldcorrell.com/tales/invasions.html

http://www.timelessmyths.com/celtic/invasions.html

http://wolf.mind.net/library/celtic/mil.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebor_Gabála_Érenn


2 posted on 06/23/2013 4:34:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: martin_fierro; blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 4:34:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Look at that S car go!

https://thetfp.com/tfp/tilted-humor/87878-two-snail-jokes-forgive-me-if-theyre-repeats.html


4 posted on 06/23/2013 4:36:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think snails are hermaphroditic and a single snail can reproduce.

So all it would take is ONE SNAIL stuck to a piece of wood or something, floating across the English channel, and you get the same result.

To turn this into some astounding revelation about human migration is lame... just lame.


5 posted on 06/23/2013 4:44:34 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: SunkenCiv

Slow news day?


6 posted on 06/23/2013 4:47:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SunkenCiv

Can’t explain unless we involve humans??.....Ridiculous


7 posted on 06/23/2013 4:54:06 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: djf
I posted before I read yours...but said the same thing.

What they need is more grant money...

8 posted on 06/23/2013 4:55:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
“Can’t explain unless we involve humans??.....Ridiculous”

Agreed. Just build a farm pond in Ill. and soon you will have all sorts of wildlife (including snails) that couldn't make the trip alone. The eggs are transported by waterfowl.

9 posted on 06/23/2013 5:02:00 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receilpt.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Well, we agree 100%

If I was a mentor of somebody who came to such a ridiculous conclusion, I would think the only honorable thing to do would be to resign immediately!

It’s pretty meaningless. I mean the conclusion is that people went from France to the British Isles man that’s just MIND-BOGGLING in it’s implications, eh?

Thank God for snails!!

;-)


10 posted on 06/23/2013 5:04:50 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: SunkenCiv

GUARD #1: Where’d you get the coconut?
ARTHUR: We found them.
GUARD #1: Found them? In Mercea? The coconut’s tropical!
ARTHUR: What do you mean?
GUARD #1: Well, this is a temperate zone.
ARTHUR: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin
or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter yet these are not
strangers to our land.
GUARD #1: Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?


11 posted on 06/23/2013 5:05:10 AM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: djf
So all it would take is ONE SNAIL stuck to a piece of wood or something, floating across the English channel, and you get the same result.

The Pyrenees run along the border of France & Spain. This is considerably further than crossing the English Channel.

12 posted on 06/23/2013 5:09:40 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o

Zero difference.

If it’s longer for snails, it’s longer for humans.

The snails didn’t reveal a single thing. The authors of the study have chosen to speculate.

That’s not science.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 5:19:02 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: CrazyIvan
My kids have a pond on their property in the southern tier of NYS.

The geese found it. What a pain...and cr** all over the place.

Then there's the bazillion frogs....

14 posted on 06/23/2013 5:29:34 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Brings a new meaning to the phrase “goose step” doesn't it!
15 posted on 06/23/2013 5:49:13 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receilpt.)
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To: djf

It’s the insane hidden thought that bothers me....that humans deliberately transported the snails.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 5:56:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ClearCase_guy

LOL!


17 posted on 06/23/2013 7:01:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: djf

No, a single snail is not able to reproduce with itself, and your post is lame.


18 posted on 06/23/2013 7:03:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“Honey, we’re all set to leave. Did you pack the snails?” :)


19 posted on 06/23/2013 7:23:05 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

;’)


20 posted on 06/23/2013 7:38:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: djf
So all it would take is ONE SNAIL stuck to a piece of wood or something,


21 posted on 06/23/2013 7:53:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Sacajaweau
***Then there's the bazillion frogs.... ***


22 posted on 06/23/2013 7:57:38 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I suscribe to the theory (which...ahem...I must say in all modesty that I just made up)that the escargot eating Frogs simply followed the snails as they migrated north (at a snail’s pace of course)after the Ice Age.

After all, no one has ever produced evidence of ‘snail transporting equipment’ with which the Frenchies would have carried the snails north.


23 posted on 06/23/2013 7:59:25 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv

My wife is of Irish ancestry. This story will provide me ammunition in arguments for years to come.


24 posted on 06/23/2013 8:10:05 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SunkenCiv

Wait a minute! I read an article here about a year ago that said that DNA research showed that the Irish were descended from the Germans. So now, on Saint Patricks Day, we all have to drink green beer and eat bratwurst with escargot?


25 posted on 06/23/2013 8:16:39 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: SunkenCiv

That Ireland may have been, at least, partially populated by the seafaring Basques is not so far fetched.


26 posted on 06/23/2013 9:50:27 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Fight the culture of nothing.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Almost ALL snails are hermaphroditic.

ALL hermaphroditic snails can self-fertilize and lay eggs in times of environmental stress.


27 posted on 06/23/2013 11:45:39 AM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf

And ALL humans can cross water. Your “snail floated across on driftwood” idea is complete nonsense.


28 posted on 06/23/2013 2:47:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.naturalnews.com/036268_Fukushima_beaches_invasive_species.html

If the snails were domesticated animals I would say the hypothesis might be correct.

The nonsense part of all this is that some dude traveled all that distance, ignoring the antelope and fish and other foods on the way, but made sure he could snack on the snails in his backpack...

Please remove me from your list. Most of the posts I’ve seen have little scientific justification.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 3:36:47 PM PDT by djf (Rich widows: My Bitcoin address is... 1ETDmR4GDjwmc9rUEQnfB1gAnk6WLmd3n6)
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To: djf

Not lame if there are similarities in Celtic and native language from those mountains on the French and Spanish border.


30 posted on 06/23/2013 7:19:54 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: Sacajaweau

The French are known to eat the snails...maybe they ate them in the stone age. Could explain a lot about the French if they survived for thousands of years on snails.


31 posted on 06/23/2013 7:24:56 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ... where's the beef?)
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To: Domestic Church
There are many other countries that eat snails and the Roman Empire was also attached to them.

The French is famous for "doctoring" foods and snails are among them.

The closest I get are mussels, clams and oysters.

In my garden...my snails croak in beer.

32 posted on 06/24/2013 4:16:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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