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QUESTION: New York Crime Stats
self | 6/22/2013 | LS

Posted on 06/22/2013 6:22:01 AM PDT by LS

It is widely argued that NYC has low levels of crime (and anti-gun nuts say "due to gun laws"). My question: does anyone have ANY evidence (please, not just guesses or opinions) that NYC has jimmied with or tampered with its crime statistics; is underreporting gun violence; or is otherwise falsifying the data to try to support this argument?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Local News
KEYWORDS: crime; guns; newyorkcity; vanity
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To: Gay State Conservative
One thing I've repeatedly heard is that, starting with Giuliani,the NYPD has had a policy of aggressively addressing small crimes which,it's said,somehow lessens serious crimes.I'm not a criminologist so I'm not sure how that might work,but...

Most murderers had prior criminal records. So do most homicide victims (up to 90%). Get habitual criminals off the street, and you reduce homicides.

21 posted on 06/22/2013 7:56:16 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Rome2000
And the Bureau of Justice statistics has this
Forty-one percent of violent felons were black, non- Hispanic , 30% were Hispanic, and 26% were white, non-Hispanic. Blacks (46%) comprised a higher percentage of murderers than Hispanics (27%) or whites (23%).

Whites(37%)and blacks(35%)accounted for higher percentages of rapists than Hispanics (23%). Blacks accounted for 54% of robbers, twice the percentage of Hispanics(27%)and about 3 times that of whites (17%).

Blacks (39%) accounted for about two-fifths of those convicted of felony assault, compared to about a third who were Hispanic (32%), and a fourth who were white (26%).

Blacks (55%) comprised a majority of the violent felons who were under age 18. Blacks accounted for about two-fifths of the total in each age category from 21 through 34.

Whites accounted for 13% of the violent felons under age 18. The percentage of whites rose in each successive age category, and was about the same as for blacks in the 35 to 39 age category, and slightly higher in the 40 or older category.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 7:59:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The falsifying of the crime stats starting in January of 1993 was related to Clinton's firing of the US Attorney's to cover up police corruption.

In 1991 with the R King case, Bush ordered a review of all complaints filed against police with the FBI for the previous 5 years. There were something around 15,000 complaints and only 42 cases had been pursued in court.

The Bent One’s ordering his Arkansas state troopers to racial profile was one of the 42. With the settlement of the suite Clinton agreed to stop the racial profiling, but he didn't.

After the LA riots of 1992, the FBI said there was nothing in the 15,000 FBI files so Bush then ordered the US Attorney's to review the complaints.

After almost 2 years of the dems. having an all out campaign against police because of R King, the Chief of Police Union and the Police Officers Union supported Clinton for president.

Leading up to the 1992 election the dems kept pushing for Bush to release the content of the 15,000 FBI files, but Bush never did.

When Reno was nominated for AG, she said if she was confirmed the first thing she would do was release the content of the FBI files.

When Reno was confirmed as AG, instead of releasing the content of the 15,000 FBI files, Reno fired all the US Attorneys to cover up what was in the files. No one paid any attention because everyone was too busy watching the Clintons kill 80 people at Waco.

The falsifying of the records was the payoff to Clinton by the unions for covering up police corruption.

23 posted on 06/22/2013 8:01:25 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Alberta's Child

One thing I forgot to mention.

The way police are able to get away with covering up the corruption, built right into the police union contract is a nice little clause, if the person filing the complaint against the police officer is “obviously intoxicated” the complaint against the officer doesn’t have to be accepted, it can be ignored.

Police can do pretty much what they wanted and simply claim the victim is intoxicated.

No investigation of the complaint, and the victim is prosecuted.

First hand knowledge.

They did it to me.


24 posted on 06/22/2013 8:11:58 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Travis McGee

So, is your argument that Guiliani cleaned up things and the Bloomberg still hasn’t undone it?


25 posted on 06/22/2013 8:13:57 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Alberta's Child; Gay State Conservative

3. Criminal laws that are NOT enforced become “gateway crimes” for greater criminality. Enforcement of those laws (nip it in the bud) help make the step into criminality that much bigger.

Best way I could word it, but you get the drift (I hope)


26 posted on 06/22/2013 8:18:45 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: LS

I’m not making an argument at all. I’m referring you to a very handy NY crime stats interactive map, for you to use if it’s helpful. While doing so, I included the snapshot screencap I made last year. If it’s not helpful to your research, that’s fine too, but it’s available.


27 posted on 06/22/2013 10:16:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: LS
It's not as if there are two sets of stats reported: actual and claimed. You should remember, if faking crime stats is true, exposing it is going to be controversial. It may take you a bit of digging, but here's a place for you to start (if you're interested). Good luck.

Nicholas Stix lives in NYC area and writes extensively on violent crime.

Here's a sample on "Disappearing Urban Crime"

Here's a quote (not his but is in an article which he cites - scroll down at the link):
Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president Patrick Lynch had said that officers "are forced to falsify stats in order to maintain the appearance of a drastic reduction in crime,"

Here's what Wikipedia says (said?) about him and he about them.
28 posted on 06/22/2013 12:03:21 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Travis McGee

Ok, I was just trying to find out what you thought.


29 posted on 06/22/2013 3:49:26 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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