Skip to comments.New advancements on the Fleischmann-Pons Effect
Posted on 06/13/2013 2:36:56 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
European Parliament Brussels, 3 June 2013
The scope of the workshop was to make the European community aware of the "state-of-the-art" of the studies on the Fleischmann-Pons Effect (FPE) phenomenon.
This effect is the appearance of excess energy when a Pd cathode is electrolyzed in heavy water.
Energy densities measured during FPE are orders of magnitude larger than the maximum energy associated to any known chemical process.
NetworkingThis effect was first discovered in 1989 by two electrochemists Prof. Martin Fleischmann and Dr. Stanley Pons, by loading palladium with deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). This excess energy is not associated with nuclear radiation and does not appear when light water (H2O) is used.
ENEA (Italy), Stanford Research International (SRI, USA) and Energetics LLC (USA) have been collaborating on an alternative energy project since 2004 based upon the FPE. The Naval Research Laboratory (NRL, USA) joined the cooperation in 2008 and since 2010 also the University of Missouri was involved in the research.
All the collaborating institutions, after several years of scientific review process, based on the application of the scientific method to the study of the phenomenon, do not question the existence of this very strong isotope effect as FPE has been observed during experiments in the four laboratories.
Apparently these folks haven't gotten the message.
Thanks for posting this, WW.
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So can you buy deuterium if you wanted to test this yourself?
I would really love to see these two exonerated, Fleischmann-Pons. They took an awful lot of guff for announcing what they had discovered.
I would bet that some of the biggest guff-givers will never admit that they were wrong. They'll claim that the LENR that finally works isn't the same LENR that F&P found.
If that sounds like something a bunch of dyed-in-the-wool, left-winger ex-hippies would do, you have a good ear.
There’s a strong likelihood you are right.
Doesn’t it always work out this way. Unfortunately, all too often it does.
Pioneers get eaten by opportunists.
Gonna need some 'heavy' water too.
They also received several million dollars in funding when they were in Europe in the 1990's and they still couldn't exonerate themselves.
Nine years and they still can't power a night light, in spite of the claim: "Energy densities measured during FPE are orders of magnitude larger than the maximum energy associated to any known chemical process."
Fair enough. I think that is rather damning.
It would seem they should be able to recreate their initial reaction. Still, it does seem that this is so against the stream, that it could be as elusive as it has been.
If this never pans out, they will be seen as the guys who cried wolf and never produced the goods. And ultimately, that may be appropriate.
If something they noticed does pan out, they still deserve some credit for pointing folks in the right direction.
I realize this is heresy thought with regard to long standing beliefs in this field.
Why would I want to do that?? I'm looking forward to my LENR powered RV and "deep-woods" home.
"It would seem they should be able to recreate their initial reaction. Still, it does seem that this is so against the stream, that it could be as elusive as it has been."
It sounds so, until you realize that the Moonfake is simply doing his usual propaganda pitch of taking a PART of the truth but not telling the whole story. P & F "did" recreate their initial reaction and bettered its reproducibility and output.....BUT.....because they were being funded by Toyota, were not allowed to publish the full details of the steps to get the reaction to go. They "did" report in detail on the results as regards calorimetry and the OUTPUT of their reactors, but not the recipe for how to generate the necessary nuclear-active state in palladium.
Where the Toyoda effort fell through was in moving from the lab to engineering. Neither Pons nor Fleischmann had enough engineering skills to accomplish that, and, as I recall, the Toyota heir who had been driving the effort died around that time.
"If this never pans out, they will be seen as the guys who cried wolf and never produced the goods. And ultimately, that may be appropriate. If something they noticed does pan out, they still deserve some credit for pointing folks in the right direction."
Not to worry. I'm sure Pons will be very polite when he finally receives his Nobel.
Thanks for the additional information Wonder Warthog. I haven’t kept up on things as much as you have, and I enjoyed the update.
Has F died?
In 1 January 1991, Pons left his tenure, and both he and Fleischmann quietly left the United States. In 1992 they resumed research with Toyota Motor Corporation's IMRA lab in France. Fleischmann left for England in 1995, and the contract with Pons was not renewed in 1998 after spending $40 million with no tangible results.You should update Wiki with your ridiculous excuse.
Yes, he died last year.
Since I posted the thread, for once I’ll respond to your propaganda. Wikipedia is infested with your compatriots in the anti-LENR propagandist community. Any positive information on the subject is rapidly found and deleted. It is not an accurate source of information re LENR.
LENR-CANR.org (which you constantly denigrate as “just a blog”, when, in fact, it is an exhaustive bibliography of published work in LENR, and no more a “blog” than Free Republic is) has copies of published papers relating to the IMRA work:
Which I certainly can’t classify as “no tangible results”. Of course, perhaps you and your wiki buddies intend to mean “no tangible results as “no commercial power plants” and suppose that published science is “intangible”.
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