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New advancements on the Fleischmann-Pons Effect
European Parliament Department of Energy ^ | 3 June 2013 | ENEA

Posted on 06/13/2013 2:36:56 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog

European Parliament – Brussels, 3 June 2013

The scope of the workshop was to make the European community aware of the "state-of-the-art" of the studies on the Fleischmann-Pons Effect (FPE) phenomenon.

This effect is the appearance of excess energy when a Pd cathode is electrolyzed in heavy water.

Energy densities measured during FPE are orders of magnitude larger than the maximum energy associated to any known chemical process.

NetworkingThis effect was first discovered in 1989 by two electrochemists Prof. Martin Fleischmann and Dr. Stanley Pons, by loading palladium with deuterium (an isotope of hydrogen). This excess energy is not associated with nuclear radiation and does not appear when light water (H2O) is used.

ENEA (Italy), Stanford Research International (SRI, USA) and Energetics LLC (USA) have been collaborating on an alternative energy project since 2004 based upon the FPE. The Naval Research Laboratory (NRL, USA) joined the cooperation in 2008 and since 2010 also the University of Missouri was involved in the research.

All the collaborating institutions, after several years of scientific review process, based on the application of the scientific method to the study of the phenomenon, do not question the existence of this very strong isotope effect as FPE has been observed during experiments in the four laboratories.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; energy; lenr; science
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But "Cold Fusion" is just all a scam, don't y'know.

Apparently these folks haven't gotten the message.

1 posted on 06/13/2013 2:36:56 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/agenda-pdf

http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/1-michael-mckubre-pdf

http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/2-vittorio-violante-pdf

http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/3-graham-hubler-pdf

http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/4-konrad-czerski-pdf

http://www.enea.it/it/Ufficio-Bruxelles/documenti/eventi/new-advancements-on-the-fleischmann-pons-effect/5-robert-duncan-pdf


2 posted on 06/13/2013 2:37:13 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo

Ping.


3 posted on 06/13/2013 2:40:05 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

Thanks for posting this, WW.

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/


4 posted on 06/13/2013 2:40:36 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Wonder Warthog

So can you buy deuterium if you wanted to test this yourself?


5 posted on 06/13/2013 2:42:04 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Wonder Warthog

I would really love to see these two exonerated, Fleischmann-Pons. They took an awful lot of guff for announcing what they had discovered.


6 posted on 06/13/2013 2:46:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: DannyTN

http://www.praxair.com/gases/buy-deuterium-gas


7 posted on 06/13/2013 2:47:54 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: DoughtyOne
I would really love to see these two exonerated, Fleischmann-Pons. They took an awful lot of guff for announcing what they had discovered.

I would bet that some of the biggest guff-givers will never admit that they were wrong. They'll claim that the LENR that finally works isn't the same LENR that F&P found.

If that sounds like something a bunch of dyed-in-the-wool, left-winger ex-hippies would do, you have a good ear.

8 posted on 06/13/2013 2:50:21 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
WW will you take a pledge that if and when LENR energy becomes viable and available for home use you will NOT use it in any manner?
9 posted on 06/13/2013 2:50:59 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Steely Tom

There’s a strong likelihood you are right.

Doesn’t it always work out this way. Unfortunately, all too often it does.

Pioneers get eaten by opportunists.


10 posted on 06/13/2013 2:56:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: DannyTN
So can you buy deuterium if you wanted to test this yourself?

Gonna need some 'heavy' water too.

11 posted on 06/13/2013 3:54:43 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: DoughtyOne
I would really love to see these two exonerated, Fleischmann-Pons. They took an awful lot of guff for announcing what they had discovered.

They also received several million dollars in funding when they were in Europe in the 1990's and they still couldn't exonerate themselves.

12 posted on 06/13/2013 7:10:42 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
ENEA (Italy), Stanford Research International (SRI, USA) and Energetics LLC (USA) have been collaborating on an alternative energy project since 2004 based upon the FPE.

Nine years and they still can't power a night light, in spite of the claim: "Energy densities measured during FPE are orders of magnitude larger than the maximum energy associated to any known chemical process."

13 posted on 06/13/2013 7:17:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

Fair enough. I think that is rather damning.

It would seem they should be able to recreate their initial reaction. Still, it does seem that this is so against the stream, that it could be as elusive as it has been.

If this never pans out, they will be seen as the guys who cried wolf and never produced the goods. And ultimately, that may be appropriate.

If something they noticed does pan out, they still deserve some credit for pointing folks in the right direction.

I realize this is heresy thought with regard to long standing beliefs in this field.


14 posted on 06/13/2013 7:20:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: mad_as_he$$
"WW will you take a pledge that if and when LENR energy becomes viable and available for home use you will NOT use it in any manner?"

Why would I want to do that?? I'm looking forward to my LENR powered RV and "deep-woods" home.

15 posted on 06/13/2013 7:54:00 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: DoughtyOne
"Fair enough. I think that is rather damning."

"It would seem they should be able to recreate their initial reaction. Still, it does seem that this is so against the stream, that it could be as elusive as it has been."

It sounds so, until you realize that the Moonfake is simply doing his usual propaganda pitch of taking a PART of the truth but not telling the whole story. P & F "did" recreate their initial reaction and bettered its reproducibility and output.....BUT.....because they were being funded by Toyota, were not allowed to publish the full details of the steps to get the reaction to go. They "did" report in detail on the results as regards calorimetry and the OUTPUT of their reactors, but not the recipe for how to generate the necessary nuclear-active state in palladium.

Where the Toyoda effort fell through was in moving from the lab to engineering. Neither Pons nor Fleischmann had enough engineering skills to accomplish that, and, as I recall, the Toyota heir who had been driving the effort died around that time.

"If this never pans out, they will be seen as the guys who cried wolf and never produced the goods. And ultimately, that may be appropriate. If something they noticed does pan out, they still deserve some credit for pointing folks in the right direction."

Not to worry. I'm sure Pons will be very polite when he finally receives his Nobel.

16 posted on 06/13/2013 8:07:39 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Thanks for the additional information Wonder Warthog. I haven’t kept up on things as much as you have, and I enjoyed the update.

Has F died?


17 posted on 06/13/2013 8:11:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: Wonder Warthog
From Wiki:
In 1 January 1991, Pons left his tenure, and both he and Fleischmann quietly left the United States. In 1992 they resumed research with Toyota Motor Corporation's IMRA lab in France. Fleischmann left for England in 1995, and the contract with Pons was not renewed in 1998 after spending $40 million with no tangible results.
You should update Wiki with your ridiculous excuse.
18 posted on 06/14/2013 3:13:53 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Yes, he died last year.


19 posted on 06/14/2013 3:17:40 AM PDT by Normandy
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To: Moonman62

Since I posted the thread, for once I’ll respond to your propaganda. Wikipedia is infested with your compatriots in the anti-LENR propagandist community. Any positive information on the subject is rapidly found and deleted. It is not an accurate source of information re LENR.

LENR-CANR.org (which you constantly denigrate as “just a blog”, when, in fact, it is an exhaustive bibliography of published work in LENR, and no more a “blog” than Free Republic is) has copies of published papers relating to the IMRA work:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf

Which I certainly can’t classify as “no tangible results”. Of course, perhaps you and your wiki buddies intend to mean “no tangible results as “no commercial power plants” and suppose that published science is “intangible”.


20 posted on 06/14/2013 4:16:45 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf

A presentation at a cold fusion conference isn't exactly publishing, but let's look at the claimed results.

On pages 5 and 6 we see that they didn't get excess power until after 64 days, and then it was only one watt. I can see why people consider such trivial claimed power production to be intangible. After several million dollars of funding the result is pathetic.

21 posted on 06/14/2013 6:35:22 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Normandy

Thanks. I thought I remembered something but wasn’t sure. Too bad...


22 posted on 06/14/2013 8:07:00 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: Moonman62
LOL. Exactly what I expected from you, selective reading and quotation of only those parts the support your propaganda.

I suggest you look at page 9. A total power output of ~300 MEGAJOULES (~83KWH) from a piece of palladium 100 mm long and 2 mm in diameter.

As to "...they didn't get excess power until after 64 days"...", this work is from 1996. Since that time, other researchers have fixed the problem of a long "lead-in" time. Several researchers have devised means of generating excess power at or shortly after startup.

23 posted on 06/14/2013 12:38:30 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
I suggest you look at page 9. A total power output of ~300 MEGAJOULES (~83KWH) from a piece of palladium 100 mm long and 2 mm in diameter.

I looked at page 9 and what I saw is that out of 7 experiments, 4 were total failures, a fifth was a partial failure, and of the two that appeared to produce excess power, they weren't consistent. So the results were still pathetic, and P&F were unable to exonerate themselves in spite of several millions of dollars of funding.

And the watt is the proper unit for reporting energy rates. Joules are used when you get pathetic results over a long period of time, but still want to impress the gullible.

In addition to pallidium they were replacing solvent and applying input power. And let's not forget the considerable input power when they weren't seeing any excess power, including the power applied during the 5 failed experiments.

24 posted on 06/14/2013 1:07:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

bump


25 posted on 06/14/2013 8:37:25 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Moonman62

You’re slipping, Moon. You didn’t get in until double-digit replies... (and this one wasn’t even a LENR scoffing post) That’s progress :)


26 posted on 06/14/2013 8:42:50 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Moonman62
"I looked at page 9 and what I saw is that out of 7 experiments, 4 were total failures, a fifth was a partial failure, and of the two that appeared to produce excess power, they weren't consistent. So the results were still pathetic, and P&F were unable to exonerate themselves in spite of several millions of dollars of funding."

Go back and re-read the THIRD sentence in my comment...the work was done in 1996. Things have changed since then. Note also that you were supporting the critical comment that the IMRA experiments totally "lacked a tangible result". AT MINIMUM the IMRA experiments replicated P % F's Utah work with much more accurate and precise calorimetry. Note also that this is just ONE report on the IMRA work. I haven't bothered to look up other publications from the period.

And to rehash the topic...note also that this 1996 work, as "pathetic" as you paint it, was still more successful than any and all "hot fusion" research, which has yet to generate excess energy AT ALL, at a cost of >120 BILLION dollars.

"And the watt is the proper unit for reporting energy rates. Joules are used when you get pathetic results over a long period of time, but still want to impress the gullible.

Which is why I also expressed the quantity as KWH.

"In addition to pallidium they were replacing solvent and applying input power. And let's not forget the considerable input power when they weren't seeing any excess power, including the power applied during the 5 failed experiments."

Uh, dude.....the ~100KWH is EXCESS energy. You know, energy over and above that supplied to the system. And your attempt to use the other experiments as "power negative" is simply bogus logic/propaganda.

27 posted on 06/15/2013 4:33:01 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
Uh, dude.....the ~100KWH is EXCESS energy.

It's claimed excess energy. The sporadic and mostly null results over the 7 experiments make it questionable. George Miley two years ago claimed hundreds of watts of excess power, yet he's never been able to back it up.

28 posted on 06/15/2013 3:46:11 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"It's claimed excess energy. The sporadic and mostly null results over the 7 experiments make it questionable.

One more time..work done in 1996...things have changed since. Replicated repeatedly, excess energy is now a certainty and no longer in doubt. 100% repeatable...no. Sufficiently repeatable for scientific proof...yes.

But this is a typical meme of the pathological skeptics. Once upon a time, one of the biggest names among them said all that was needed was a success rate of greater than 50% of runs. That "milestone" was successfully passed (over a broad range of researchers, the success rate is now > 70% of experiments). At which point the "famous skeptopath" changed the criteria he would accept to 100% repeatability.

"George Miley two years ago claimed hundreds of watts of excess power, yet he's never been able to back it up.

Uh, please cite proof. When I looked into this quite a while ago, it appeared to me that all it proved was the Krivit didn't know how to read a graph.

29 posted on 06/16/2013 6:45:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Moonman62
"It's claimed excess energy. The sporadic and mostly null results over the 7 experiments make it questionable.

One more time..work done in 1996...things have changed since. Replicated repeatedly, excess energy is now a certainty and no longer in doubt. 100% repeatable...no. Sufficiently repeatable for scientific proof...yes.

But this is a typical meme of the pathological skeptics. Once upon a time, one of the biggest names among them said all that was needed was a success rate of greater than 50% of runs. That "milestone" was successfully passed (over a broad range of researchers, the success rate is now > 70% of experiments). At which point the "famous skeptopath" changed the criteria he would accept to 100% repeatability.

"George Miley two years ago claimed hundreds of watts of excess power, yet he's never been able to back it up.

Uh, please cite proof. When I looked into this quite a while ago, it appeared to me that all it proved was the Krivit didn't know how to read a graph.

30 posted on 06/16/2013 6:45:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Moonman62; Wonder Warthog
TOKAMAK TOKAMAK TOKAMAK

ITAR ~ one item ~ with no proof of concept, has already cost $16 billion and we are still a decade away from getting all the concrete poured.

The scale of the TOKAMAK scam dwarfs everything ever spent on LENR or related projects!

31 posted on 06/16/2013 8:11:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
"The scale of the TOKAMAK scam dwarfs everything ever spent on LENR or related projects!"

Well put. And unlikely to ever BE completed.

32 posted on 06/17/2013 9:32:20 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
One more time..work done in 1996...things have changed since. Replicated repeatedly, excess energy is now a certainty and no longer in doubt. 100% repeatable...no. Sufficiently repeatable for scientific proof...yes.

Which raises the question: Where's the beef? Why I can't I or anyone else buy one? Thanks for providing the 1996 reference. Perhaps you would like to provide more for your new claims.

BTW, my statement still stands. P&F were unable to exonerate themselves with their disappointing 1996 progress report, in spite of several million dollar in funding.

But if as you say, their 1996 report is solid gold, and they've been exonerated in the years hence, then what are you complaining about? P&F have been vindicated and we all have cheap and clean cold fusion power generators in our homes.

Uh, please cite proof. When I looked into this quite a while ago, it appeared to me that all it proved was the Krivit didn't know how to read a graph.

Which raises another question. If Krivit is wrong why hasn't Miley, with two years to do so, published his results, rather than leaving us with a wild claim made at a hippie environmental conference? Furthermore, why hasn't he also gone commercial?

33 posted on 06/17/2013 9:51:08 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"Which raises the question: Where's the beef? Why I can't I or anyone else buy one? Thanks for providing the 1996 reference. Perhaps you would like to provide more for your new claims."

I've told you where to start, multiple times. I will NOT lead you by the nose with a direct link.

"BTW, my statement still stands. P&F were unable to exonerate themselves with their disappointing 1996 progress report, in spite of several million dollar in funding.

Of course. Everything you ever say stands forever, wrong though it may be. That's why your "skepticism" is "pathological".

"But if as you say, their 1996 report is solid gold, and they've been exonerated in the years hence, then what are you complaining about? P&F have been vindicated and we all have cheap and clean cold fusion power generators in our homes.

Broken record, old boy. The deliberate delaying tactics of your brother in crime skeptopaths might have a bit to to with it. Delay, deny, denigrate. It's what you do. Clue for you....the train is leaving the station despite your yeomanly efforts at stalling.

"Which raises another question. If Krivit is wrong why hasn't Miley, with two years to do so, published his results, rather than leaving us with a wild claim made at a hippie environmental conference? Furthermore, why hasn't he also gone commercial?

LOL. Perhaps he hasn't published because he HAS "gone commercial". See "Lenuco". Which is evidence enough of the reality of Miley's claims.

34 posted on 06/17/2013 12:17:01 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

I’m reminded of the discovery of fire. Everybody was waiting around at the edge waiting for the forest to spontaneously combust when Wonder Wombat started busting rocks....... “that’s just a scam” screamed Dirtman88.


35 posted on 06/17/2013 3:06:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wonder Warthog
LOL. Perhaps he hasn't published because he HAS "gone commercial". See "Lenuco". Which is evidence enough of the reality of Miley's claims.

In most states you can form a corporation by filling out a short form and paying a small fee.

So as usual we are left with nothing economically valuable to show for several years of claimed cold fusion successes. Big claims followed by big excuses, that's the cold fusion way.

36 posted on 06/18/2013 7:37:35 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"So as usual we are left with nothing economically valuable to show for several years of claimed cold fusion successes. Big claims followed by big excuses, that's the cold fusion way."

Deny, delay, denigrate. That is YOUR (and the skeptopath) way. Of course, as usual, you fail to accurately (or at all) compare cold fusion to hot fusion. Which is the bigger failure??? Based on that, which should be funded?? Which DE-funded??

And Lenuco has done a bit more than just incorporate.

37 posted on 06/18/2013 8:07:46 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
All the energy we receive from the sun is hot fusion. We can create a tremendous amount of power with artificial hot fusion. It precisely follows theory and there is no controversy that it works. The problem with turning it into a commercial power source (rather than a weapon) is one of containment.

So what's the problem with cold fusion?

38 posted on 06/18/2013 8:24:12 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
And Lenuco has done a bit more than just incorporate.

What have they done?

39 posted on 06/18/2013 8:25:26 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
"All the energy we receive from the sun is hot fusion. We can create a tremendous amount of power with artificial hot fusion. It precisely follows theory and there is no controversy that it works. The problem with turning it into a commercial power source (rather than a weapon) is one of containment.

Nice weasel move. So, to re-phrase, which is a bigger failure, earth-bound artificial hot fusion "containment" (>$120 billion spent, break-even never achieved), or cold fusion (<$100 million spent, breakeven reached multiple times).

"So what's the problem with cold fusion?"

Lack of research funding due to the underhanded tactics of "high energy" physicists and their allies (that would be you and the rest of the skeptopaths). But despite your best efforts, LENR development "is" happening, and going commercial.

And the ITER, which will never be completed, will stand as a monument to the hubris of the high energy physicists.

40 posted on 06/18/2013 9:52:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Moonman62
"What have they done? "

Try Google.

41 posted on 06/18/2013 9:53:32 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
"So what's the problem with cold fusion?"

Lack of research funding due to the underhanded tactics of "high energy" physicists and their allies (that would be you and the rest of the skeptopaths).

So even if they get the money, they have no problem to work on.

42 posted on 06/18/2013 10:01:09 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"What have they done? "

Try Google.

Yet another excuse. If they'd done anything you would post it.

43 posted on 06/18/2013 10:02:25 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

You are a liar and the truth is not in you. Even that conman, Rossi, has a unit that powered a factory (albeit a small factory) for a year. Your obsession to ridicule any notion that LENR is a reality is showing. SRI International has shown several different approaches work to get more power out that is put in.


44 posted on 06/18/2013 10:09:10 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
By merely heating the apparatus before connecting the leads, the start up delay has been eliminated. There are now Nichol and deuterium, and Nichol and regular hydrogen results being achieved. In finding other metals that give results, the ‘why’ of the process is slowly being uncovered. Fortunately, science doesn't operate the way the liar Moonfake demands. He would have been on Galileo's inquisition panel don’tchaknow.
45 posted on 06/18/2013 10:16:40 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Moonman62
"So even if they get the money, they have no problem to work on."

LOL. You're a riot lately. You youself said that LENR doesn't conform to any known theory. Since LENR now has been shown to be a real phenomenon, coming up with the theoretical explanation that explains the measured data seems like a problem worthy of any honest physicist. Or did you perhaps think that theoretical sorts don't get/need funding??

And then there's all the engineering needed to scale up and make reliable products. This is certainly happening now, but that process can and should be accelerated by increasing funding. By any sane standards, with the evidence now in hand, we should have a "Manhattan Project" scale effort to bring the truly liberating discovery to all humanity.

Why not answer the question asked?? Which is the bigger failure, "hot fusion containment" or LENR?? But skeptopaths don't engage in honest debate.

46 posted on 06/19/2013 5:34:07 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Moonman62
"Yet another excuse. If they'd done anything you would post it.

One would think by now, after multiple instances, you should know that I don't do that. I expect people engaging in debate to make at least a token effort to find things for themselves.

FYI, that willingness to seek out information is a litmus test I use to discern who engages in honest debate, and who the skeptopaths are. Guess which category you have proven yourself to be in.

47 posted on 06/19/2013 5:35:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: MHGinTN
"By merely heating the apparatus before connecting the leads, the start up delay has been eliminated."

Actually, it looks like even that is not necessary. Dr. George Miley's recent work has shown that once the correct nanostructure is set up, all that is necessary is the pressurize the device with reactant gas, and that the reaction then STARTS SPONTANEOUSLY AT ROOM TEMPERATURE.

It turns out that Miley has been issued THE FIRST US patent on LENR (so it looks like the dam at the Patent Office may have been breached, though perhaps not, as the deadly words "Cold Fusion" don't appear in the patent except in some of the references).

48 posted on 06/19/2013 6:41:35 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: MHGinTN

Google Patents:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=WhIgAgAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=%22Low+Energy+Nuclear+Reaction%22&source=bl&ots=Xuf1yRH2vB&sig=142QFcoB_2WmhjeCiLVn9AuUGlU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qEROUKH4JsjSrQHKmIGoBw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ&goback=.gde_4132340_member_161859049#v=onepage&q&f=false

The details of his patent are REALLY interesting. It looks to me like he has arrived at pretty much the perfect geometry to maximize both reactivity and heat transfer in a single element.


49 posted on 06/19/2013 6:41:40 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
"the pressurize" should be "to pressurize".....

(need more caffeine).

50 posted on 06/19/2013 7:25:20 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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