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Redstone radar blob: 'Whatever it was' versus what we know it wasn't
AL.com ^ | June 06, 2013 | Lee Roop

Posted on 06/06/2013 11:01:27 AM PDT by WayneM

HUNTSVILLE, Alabama - Whatever Tuesday's Redstone radar blob was, it was unlike anything most professional radar watchers have ever seen. Speculation has centered on secret defense testing at Redstone Arsenal, and the University of Alabama in Huntsville has said it has found feathery pieces of fiberglass near the area. All this has led Huntsville scientists to be discreet in their public speculation so far in deference to national security. But they are shedding more light on an event that exploded on radar like a thunderstorm, spread nearly 10 miles wide and a mile high, and lasted for nine hours - all while being virtually invisible to the naked eye.

Matt Havin and Dr. Michael Lawton, meteorologists at Huntsville's Baron Services Inc., watched the blob on multiple radars at their operations center in Cummings Research Park. Company founder Bob Baron, a former television meteorologist, invented and developed the first tornado-tracking technology for television forecasters, and his company works with TV stations and companies nationwide. In an interview Wednesday about the blob, Havin first listed "what we know it's not"

1. A thunderstorm or rain. There was no rain in the area.

2. Bats, birds or insects. "Bats or birds tend to have a (radar) signature that expands rapidly," Havin said. "We've seen signatures like this with insects before, but usually it's not this size or this duration."

3. The 1,000 ladybugs released by the Huntsville Botanical Garden to fight aphids.

4. Typical small fragments of military chaff (radar countermeasures). Generally, Havin said, military chaff is carried by upper-level winds in bands. "Typically chaff signatures are released by aircraft," Lawton said. "That's why they have a long, sort of elongated signature. This did not look like that."

5. Dust. "It wasn't that," Havin said, "otherwise we'd see signatures like that in the Plains all the time at harvest time, and we don't."

7. Smoke. "Out of any of the potential causes," Havin said, "smoke is what this most closely looks like if it wasn't going to be a severe thunderstorm. But to have a signature of this size and strength, you'd have to go from nothing to an extreme forest fire almost instantaneously. And you'd see a lot of smoke, which we did not."

6-8. Radiation, jamming (which has an on-off signature), or a bad Huntsville Utilities substation.

Here's what the two meteorlogists can say about "whatever it was," in Havin's words.

1. It was suspended in the air for about nine hours, started on the north side of Redstone Arsenal just after 1:30 p.m. and ended around 11 p.m. (CDT). "That's a very long time for something to be hanging around," Havin said.

2. All the radar signatures "had to occur between the surface of the ground and about 5,500 feet above the ground above Redstone Arsenal."

3. It was greater than 8-10 miles in diameter for "most of the duration."

4. "It was pluming." The source was apparently sending up either multiple or almost continual releases of "whatever it was from very low elevation or from the ground. It shot up from the surface or a very low level," Havin said.

5. It showed up on different radar frequencies, including the S-band radar used by the National Weather Service and the C-band radar used by one local TV station.

Neither Havin nor Lawton, a Phd research meteorologist, has ever seen anything like this on radar. But despite that, what did people at Baron Services see when they went outside Tuesday to look? "It wasn't anything obvious," Havin said


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1 posted on 06/06/2013 11:01:27 AM PDT by WayneM
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2 posted on 06/06/2013 11:05:12 AM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: WayneM

It was a mothership making a pit stop for some oxygen replenishment.....

Now if it was the bad aliens or the good aliens, we are unsure about this....


3 posted on 06/06/2013 11:05:32 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: WayneM

Swamp gas ignited by a weather balloon.


4 posted on 06/06/2013 11:06:13 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: WayneM

Speculation: Chaff deployed from a series of rockets. They may have been testing the release mechanicism. When the U.S. finally takes out the Iranian Islamic Air Force, they will never know what hit them.


5 posted on 06/06/2013 11:06:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: WayneM

All I can say is “Weird.”


6 posted on 06/06/2013 11:07:15 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: WayneM

7 posted on 06/06/2013 11:07:47 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: WayneM

Bookmark for someone with an opinion; I haven’t a clue what I’m even reading about.


8 posted on 06/06/2013 11:07:50 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: GraceG

Razor rain from the disintegrating mother ship in orbit.


9 posted on 06/06/2013 11:08:06 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: WayneM

Looks like a firestorm to me.


10 posted on 06/06/2013 11:09:20 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: WayneM

Cicadas..............


11 posted on 06/06/2013 11:09:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: WayneM

small leak in a Jeffires tube, is all..


12 posted on 06/06/2013 11:10:14 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Mr. K

That guy uses plasma on his hair, same stuff that was in the atmosphere for 9 hours.


13 posted on 06/06/2013 11:13:00 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: WayneM

I’ll bet it was a HAARP test where it was ionizing the atmosphere...


14 posted on 06/06/2013 11:14:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

He is a Centari.....


15 posted on 06/06/2013 11:15:02 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: WayneM

Why is this in “Breaking?”

The explanations for these almost always turn out to be a fairly boring yet highly technical reason having to do with the radars.


16 posted on 06/06/2013 11:15:47 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“When the U.S. finally takes out the Iranian Islamic Air Force ...”

Oh - you are presuming there WILL BE a post-Obama America?


17 posted on 06/06/2013 11:16:29 AM PDT by Ancient Wonderboy
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To: WayneM

Arsenal? Isn’t it obvious?

Force field.


18 posted on 06/06/2013 11:17:26 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: WayneM
Glad I wasn't at work yesterday... that's under the yellow/orange edge of this 'plume' ... or whatever.


19 posted on 06/06/2013 11:17:44 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Strategerist

...having to do with the radars.


It’s always either the radars or the internets.


20 posted on 06/06/2013 11:18:57 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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21 posted on 06/06/2013 11:19:23 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: WayneM

Ducting caused by temperature inversion.

http://www.radartutorial.eu/07.waves/wa17.en.html

Another interesting factoid: RADAR = RAdio Detect And Receive.


22 posted on 06/06/2013 11:19:37 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: WayneM

23 posted on 06/06/2013 11:20:46 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: WayneM

Bump for later.


24 posted on 06/06/2013 11:21:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: WayneM

This is why you don’t feed beans to dairy cows, not even in a pinch.


25 posted on 06/06/2013 11:21:43 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: WayneM

Are there any other reports of this? I am always dubious of articles that start with speculation before they bother to inform you about what “it” is. The description by the meteorologists should have been the lead.

Was the plume dense enough to obscure the detection of planes passing through? If so, then it was probably a test of radar blocking technology.


26 posted on 06/06/2013 11:22:01 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: WayneM
Mother Wheel


27 posted on 06/06/2013 11:22:40 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: alancarp

Michael Moore hitting up a burrito bar someplace in town?


28 posted on 06/06/2013 11:23:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Quick we need Slim Whitman lps STAT


29 posted on 06/06/2013 11:24:28 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Well, you may be on to something: there is place like that at the strip mall - corner of Zierdt and Madison Blvd.... that was pretty much ground zero.


30 posted on 06/06/2013 11:25:19 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: cuban leaf

Looks like they set the beebers to stune....


31 posted on 06/06/2013 11:25:22 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: 101stAirborneVet

One big fat photoshop picture.


32 posted on 06/06/2013 11:26:54 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: the_Watchman
Was the plume dense enough to obscure the detection of planes passing through?

Darn good question: If it was, then it was pretty irresponsible - especially since it lasted so long. Underneath that radar signature is a commercial airport. I suppose if I were a real reporter (and did things like 'investigate' stories... I know: that's a reach), then I would be quizzing the ATC guys at HSV.

33 posted on 06/06/2013 11:29:14 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: WayneM

A swarm of flying mermaids.


34 posted on 06/06/2013 11:31:43 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: WayneM

Chris Christie para-sailing?


35 posted on 06/06/2013 11:31:52 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Eepsy

Actually, the mention of “pluming activity” made me think of a force field. It would stune me unless I could counteract the effect with a beeber.


36 posted on 06/06/2013 11:36:02 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Red Badger
Cicadas..............

I hate Chinese food....

37 posted on 06/06/2013 11:36:19 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

A swarm of flying mermaids.


I’ve never seen a FLYING mermaid. Maybe I needed another drink...


38 posted on 06/06/2013 11:37:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

Is that Hebrew?

Now we’ve done it.


39 posted on 06/06/2013 11:47:30 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Red Badger

That was my first thought...


40 posted on 06/06/2013 11:52:25 AM PDT by stormer
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To: WayneM

Cicadas?


41 posted on 06/06/2013 11:55:36 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("God bless Planned Parenthood"- B.H.Obama, 2013)
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To: stormer

...or a swarm of locusts......


42 posted on 06/06/2013 11:56:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX-fLxAMsMk


43 posted on 06/06/2013 11:58:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: WayneM

Somebody had to emergency drop their chemtrail material.

Everyone under that will be dead in 24 hours.


44 posted on 06/06/2013 12:05:02 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....Let It Burn...)
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To: Ancient Wonderboy

Clearly, that assumption is baked in.


45 posted on 06/06/2013 12:05:02 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: WayneM

This company has a building almost at the epicenter of the radar blob:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyle_Laboratories

Check out their location:

http://goo.gl/maps/wLSoX

From their webpage...

“The Aerospace Group provides independent acquisition, analysis, engineering and technical expertise to government program offices, test teams and aircraft depots. The group enjoys leading positions on a wide range of Department of Defense programs and has played a role in the development of every U.S. Navy aircraft built since 1970, including critical contributions to the F/A-18, E-2, H-60, P-3, and Joint Strike Fighter. The group also provides comprehensive testing and test-related services, test engineering, and acoustics research and consulting services...The CAS Group provides service throughout the Department of Defense, specializing in a full range of weapon system support and analysis. It has comprehensive expertise in all phases of systems engineering and technical assistance. The CAS services sustain theater missile defense, air defense, aviation and land-combat missile systems...It provides skilled personnel and specialized facilities to NASA, the Department of Defense, and numerous international and commercial space partners.”


46 posted on 06/06/2013 12:10:52 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: WayneM

The missing plague of Cicada’s?


47 posted on 06/06/2013 12:17:11 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
"We know they're extremely advanced technologically....

...which suggests - very rightfully so - that they're peaceful."

48 posted on 06/06/2013 12:21:42 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Mr. K

I *love* that show.

I don’t care *what* they’re talking about, ~somehow~, they manage to tie it to aliens, no matter how painfully tortuous the route.

Better than the Comedy Channel.

[the Vikings were aliens, too]


49 posted on 06/06/2013 12:21:53 PM PDT by Salamander (The only things that last forever are memories and sorrow.)
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To: WayneM

90,000 IRS employees shredding everything and dumping it


50 posted on 06/06/2013 12:37:12 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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