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Posted on 05/29/2013 4:30:15 PM PDT by lbryce
Please note that this article was originally published on March 20, 2008.
The possible detection of methane in the atmosphere of a distant planet could be the next big step in the search for life outside our solar system
Everyone seems to be double-extra-cautiously optimistic about this finding, so don’t go running out to your telescope tonight looking for greetings from friendly space creatures.
But in work reported today in Nature, astronomers say they used the Hubble Space Telescope’s infrared imager to pick up signs of methane in the atmosphere of a Jupiter-sized planet orbiting a star some 63 million light years from Earth. And methane, an organic molecule, is an indicator of the possible presence of life.
The bad news, for ET fans, is that the planet is probably too close to its host star to support the kind of life we’re all really looking for. The good news is that the very presence of methane, and water, in the planet’s atmosphere could be evidence that some form of life may be out there, either on this planet or others. Methane is key to the formation of amino acids, the basic building blocks of organisms.
Another key takeaway from this work, scientists say, is that astronomers have now moved from simply finding these planets—a not-so-simple job in and of itself—to exploring them chemically.
POPULAR SCIENCE: March 20, 2008-Signs of Life Found Orbiting an Exo-Planet-Sort Of
Read the tagline. It’s that simple.
while I would agree anyone showing up here would be highly intelligent (and motivated to get here)... I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t see us the same.
let’s say we sailed for many months... lots of open water.. provisions doing ok, but very repetitive. then we stumbled onto an island we had never visited before. this island is jammed packed full of cows and chickens.
are we going to sit down and have a conversation with the cows?
will we look to experience the cultural diversity of the chickens?
hardly.
Think Grant money, not logic.
Read the bleeep!
It seems it’s an issue that’s difficult to look at unemotionally.
***I don’t get it. Here’s as much of an unemotional appreciation as you’re gonna see. The response (other than silence) has been along the lines of “surely, there must be away that panspermia works.” IOW, a faith response.
... calculations of 1 in 10^29345 for the formation of an aggregate of proteins minimal for the existence of life are computed on the basis of the left-handed amino acid problem alone.
So the SETI project was off by 29,343 orders of magnitude. It only needs to be off by 50 orders of magnitude to be impossible, by the mathematical definition.
There is life out there in the universe, nearly undoubtedly so, but what kind of life? Blue-Green algae, or something mostly like it, is probably very common. It’s when you move up from that you start running into problems. The more complex the life, the more likely it is that the universe snuffed it out at some point.
If we’re looking for a species that uses tools to build more tools, then that is likely a very rare thing indeed. Rare enough that we know that no such species that wants to talk is within 40 or so light years, and very likely no intelligent species in that range.
We have the technological ability to build long range ships now if we needed to, in another fifty years our capability will only grow, as will our need to do exactly that. I can’t prove it, but I think we might be the first species in the galaxy to escape our planet if we make it.
Yep and since "faith cometh by hearing" you have to wonder what folks are inclining their ear towards.
"So the SETI project was off by 29,343 orders of magnitude. It only needs to be off by 50 orders of magnitude to be impossible..."
Even in the face of impossible x 500+ someone,somewhere will simply say "nothing is impossible with God' and around it will all go again.
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Even in the face of impossible x 500+ someone,somewhere will simply say “nothing is impossible with God’ and around it will all go again.
***But the mathematics show it is impossible by chance. If it is God’s plan, then that’s interesting. They would need to explain how Christ’s death was for ALL. OR does Christ need to incarnate on all of these planets and die for each one of them?
Hebrews 6:6
since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Eventually you learn that such people are not christian believers. At best they are theists, but do not believe that Jesus is God Himself. It quickly becomes heresy.
I think we might be the first species in the galaxy to escape our planet if we make it.
***Your supposition fits the facts. That could very well be God’s plan. The first commission was ‘multiply and inherit the earth’. The 2nd commission might be “multiply and inherit the universe”.
seems like there is a jupiter size planet a bit closer with methane in its atmosphere and no one has ever said hello from there that i know of so why should i think their distant relatives would be any friendlier and if it was up to me i would drive right by without even looking to see if they were home
allow me to add that I find nothing int he Bible which precludes that George Washington was homosexual, or that Christopher Columbus was an alien, or that John Adams was an amphibious reptile. We just don’t know.
See how far an invalid argument from silence can go?
The bible does seem very 'Earth-centered' in it's themes.I suppose,as others have stated,that other intelligent life may have no spirit (assuming that's even possible)which would negate the need for a savior.
"Eventually you learn that such people are not christian believers"
Well that's a pretty big call.I think the whole issue of ET is suss but I am confident that those I've discussed this with would be on it like white on rice should it eventually be revealed to be a grand deception.
I think the whole issue of ET is suss
***No comprehendo
.I suppose,as others have stated,that other intelligent life may have no spirit (assuming that’s even possible)which would negate the need for a savior.
***The sun will still rise tomorrow, taxes will still need to be paid, Jesus will still be God Himself, and the stuff that comes from the back end of a bull is still....
The bible does seem very ‘Earth-centered’ in it’s themes.
***There’s some recent and stunning mathematical findings that suggest this is the case. It would take me a while to track them down.
I’m not arguing anything, silly goose. I am offering the notion that the Bible does not address life on other planets and that God could create very intelligent life soemwhere besides Earth that may not have a spirit but still be highly intelligent. See how far you get trying to raise another strawman.
"Then again,the god of this world has been busy for a very very long time laying groundwork for the eventual appearance of someone the world will consider very very special.ie:'Spiritual Master'...'Ascended Master'...'Interdimensional Being'...'ET'...'most highly evolved man'...'World Teacher' etc etc.All of them seen far and wide as 'saviours'and all of them subconsciously seen as filling that hole in man.That is the lens through which I view this entire discussion"
...the whole issue of ET is,to me,suspicious fwiw.
"...and the stuff that comes from the back end of a bull is still...."...a DUCK??! LOL (I agree)
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