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Posted on 05/28/2013 10:47:14 PM PDT by proud American in Canada
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Vitamin D is a must for me. It took several doctor visits and tests to find I was low on vitamin D3. Without it I start to lose hope and I want to swallow a gun. It’s makes no sense but i am lucky to have such a simple and cheap solution that is available at any grocery store.
I had never had any problem with any sort of depression so it took some time for me to be able to get help because I just tried to ignore it and cover it up. Keep reaching out and you will find the help you need.
You should not go to Ottawa alone. Tell a friend you are tempted to buy drugs when you go get your paperwork and ask that friend to accompany you to keep you from buying heroin. If you don’t have a friend you can trust, go to a church and explain that you need to get your paperwork, but can’t risk doing so alone. If you can’t get a friend or volunteer to go with you, pay someone to go with you. Just get your paperwork, do NOT buy drugs, and go to visit your family in Chicago ASAP. Once you are with family, you can work on the next steps to battling depression.
Also heard that vitamin D can help improve the zest for life. The weather has been lousy, and we’re not getting the Spring boost we normally expect.
Might be nutrition, hormonal, lack of exercise, lack of sunlight. Avoid street narcotics. Avoid alcohol — it’s a depressant. Get a physical checkup by a doctor. Describe your symptoms. Take steps in the “right” direction :)
You’re not alone, by the way. These are indeed depressing times, but that’s gonna change.
I hit a rough spot not long ago. The only way to get sleep was through prayer. And though I hate going to sleep, the prayer became so effective, I looked forward to going to bed just to pray. I simply asked Jesus for love and peace of mind. I didn’t much dwell on the details of the things that were contributing to my misery. I just wanted to live my life without the distractions of despair. Life is so much easier that way.
You have our love and support!
Just to talk to your doctor...I don’t know much about Canadian medicine. But you may need a little medical intervention to get you through a crisis or perhaps you need something more.
I had this issue once, I nearly waited too long but when I finally admitted it they managed to get me through the bottom of it and I popped back up the following year.
Stuff happens to you, sometimes it’s way more than you can carry on a day to day basis and I hope you can get the right help, get through it or find the help you need for whatever time you need it. But you have to ask for it.
1: Finding my wife and marrying her.
2: Getting to see both of my children being born.
3: The good friends I have met and made.
4: Watching my children grow into being a fine young Man and Woman.
5: Giving my daughter away at her wedding (got to torture her boyfriend pretty good first time I met him, fathers prerogative).
6: All the great hunting trips with my friends and son (my daughter said she hated the bugs and dirt).
7: All the good cold beers after work or play.
8: All the good conversations with family and friends.
9: All the good dogs I have been privileged to have in my family.
10: All the things I have been privileged to do to encourage young employees to improve their skills and prospects. MY FRIEND; that was JUST THE SHORT LIST; the list could go on from about 2:00 pm on June 23rd 1971 but it would take 42 years to write it. Your depression seems insurmountable to you right now, I know the feeling because I have been there. Trust me kid, YOU can beat this and YOU WILL! Just keep telling yourself that no matter what the world tries to throw at you, TOMORROW YOU WILL GO OUT THERE AND KICK ASS AND TAKE NAMES. Your survival is at stake and YOU WILL NOT BE DEFEATED!! YOU WILL NOT SURRENDER!!! You have my prayers and a direct order from Ssgt 5th MEB circa 1971; "YOU WILL NOT GO MEEKLY INTO THE GAS CHAMBERS". You will beat this thing and come out stronger on the other side, and be a better person for having gone through it.
Julie, I’ve found that it’s the depression talking when one feels likely to harm oneself. It doesn’t have to be suicide, either, taking heroin will not solve a thing, only put you in a deeper hole. Think positive, get enough sleep, talk to people-Being isolated makes you feel as if you’re the only one with these problems. Feel free to write to me anytime to chat! God Bless!
I am bumping that.
d3 is a major issue now in the west, and one of the main symtomps of defiency is depression.
Look at Norway, my country, people commit suicuide when there is no sun in the arctic.
Best source of d3? The sun. Might be a problem for a lot of us, depending on age and climate. Most of us are not working out in the fields anymore.
So go to a tanning studio a couple of times during winter, and/or get d3 supplements/fishoil.
There are a great many reasons to keep on living.
You have lots of reasons to be sad, I know.
Also, you know? You are lucky to have us friends on this thread who care about you.
You know as lots of us do that Heroin is a one way street. It is the WORST. If you want to know what it can do to you, read about my friend Pax Prentiss and what he went through.
It is a one way street... It makes you ugly, and sick, and homeless. It turns you into a thief... You will steal from your friends and family.
It is a one way ticket to misery.
Great ideas from this thread:
1. PROMISE TO REPORT BACK TO THIS THREAD AND TELL US HOW IT ALL WENT. WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM YOU - DON’T LET US DOWN! WE LOVE YOU ! (Well I do because I happen to know what is going on in your head right now...)
2. Bring a friend to “The By?” Yes? OK?
3. Why not treat yourself to a TANNING SALON SESSION instead of that Sunshine? You know it’ll make you feel great.
What do you think?
I am waiting to hear from you. Remember even though we’re all over the world you have the BEST kind of Friends... FREEPER friends!
(1) Have you just recently decided to accept God's offer of a new life in following Jesus? If so, this might be significant.
My worst period of depression ever was about four months after I made that life-saving commitment. My Scripture-prompted spiritual conviction of having an unsatisfactory lifestyle and having done a lot of things unacceptable to my new Friend, Jesus, put me in a bad position. I knew I had to leave those things. I had no idea of what else to do, going forward. It was easy to say "born again" but a little harder to deal with this wrench in habits and old lusts of all kinds of things. That flattened me. Some friends took me out of my harrowing life and residence, and harbored me for about a month, giving me a rest, feeding me, and gave me relief from where I was living, After a month, close moments with my Heavenly Father through His Word strengthened me enough to go back and fight for myself
(2) See your doctor for a physical checkup and explain your disappointments and depression, but my suggestion is that you not accept antidepressant prescriptions from a general practitioner nor an internist: accept them only in the gravest extreme, but from a qualified practical psychiatrist known principally for dealing with behaviors and who knows what he is doing. (You are not likely to find a therapist who is both a psychiatrist and a Biblical Christian, so don't ask for spiritual advice.) I wouldn't take them more than about 6 weeks, because after that you will need more to bring the same relief, then more and more until you are so hooked on them you will feel that your depression, before you took these drugs, was your happiest time in life. Your depression--doctored with rest, regular diet, exercise, and memorizing/meditating on Scripture--will greatly diminish in a few weeks. Give that a chance, first. Be sure to face and recognize that if you are entering a new life with Christ, you must experience a withdrawal from your customary mindset, habits, and urges that will take you down, giving your Enemy, Satan, a chance to attack you strongly at your weakest point in the new life. Don't go that way! No no no heroin or other avoid/escape ploys -- except:
(3) Chocolate! Much of your happiness comes when things become enjoyable (and possibly even euphoric) when your deeply believed thoughts and expectations begin to cause your body to manufacture phenylethanolamine that acts in your brain, that burst of superior joy in your mind and heart when you "fall in love" with someone. When/if that love object fails to meet your projected but unrealistic expectations, depression sets in.
Some have discovered that eating chocolates will start to buoy oneself up enough to face the next day. This is true, and it truly works because when you expectations failed, your brain causes your body to cut back the phenylethanolamine sharply, with bitter sadness the outcome! Chocolate then is helpful in that it contains PEA to raise your depression (though not raising your previous foolish expectations), and you begin to realize that you can survive. Moreover, the darker the chocolate (and the more bitter it is without so many additives) the higher the concentration of PEA it has; thus the sooner and the more your brain will begin to convince you that you feel better.
Try it! gobble about half a bar of Hershey's Dark Chocolate, set your alarm for about two hours later, and then go about dusting furniture, or focusing on weeding the flowerbed, or listening to some spiritual songs, getting your mind off your depression. Later on, when the alarm reminds you, take a brief inventory to see how you feel. Didn't that work to raise the gloom enough to sense it? BTW, once I worked out that one ounce of Baker's baking cocoa (very bitter, no sugar)(28.3 grams) contains about 1,000 milligrams (1 gram, about 3.5%) of phenylethanolamine. (My approach is a recommendation of a friend, not a medical doctor, but this suggestion that worked fro me is only to engage in an enjoyable chocolate binge perhaps, not a prescription for happiness.) The idea, though, is to help prime the internal happy pump until it can take over for itself. No withdrawal symptoms. But I do have a large button picturing a sad-looking elephant, with the words, "If wearer is found depressed, administer chocolate." Nice, hunh?
(4) You have no charter to get love, only to give it. Find a pet, or better yet another person who really could use your care and comforting, and give yourself permission to leave your tasks once in a while to help them--especially if you are feeling down. That will please you, and the Lord, and make it seem that living through that day was a plus!
This is enough for a while, Julie. There are some other really good strategies here also--give them a chance, too. But there are a couple that are not so good. Think over carefully not to embrace things that eventually will displease you and the Lord, eh?
Please, please look over Psalm 128, esp. verses 1 and 2, and count them as an absolute promise. Ciao!
OK - just in case you don’tknow it yet - I don’t really want to get into Pax but here is his story in a NUTSHELL:
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For 10 years, I was hooked on heroin, cocaine, and alcohol. My drive to do drugs was so powerful because I wanted to numb the pain of my underlying problems, which were low self-esteem, depression, and anxiety. I was using drugs for the same reason most people are usingI was trying to run away from my problems and avoid feeling the pain they brought me.
During my years of using in the late 1990s, I did things that I never thought I would. I lied, thieved, cheated my friends and loved ones, pawned my possessions, conned credit card companies, and passed bad checks. Soon I had nothing left, but I was still willing to sacrifice whatever I could for drugs. I began stealing heroin from dealers, and eventually I was caught, beaten, and hospitalized. You would think that nearly being killed would stop me from using, but I didn’t. I continued year after year until I had no friends, I had alienated my family, and my health was in danger. I remember a time near the end of my 10-year run when I was standing in the street, trying to sell my shoes for $10 so I could buy more heroin.
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When you see that dealer, when you even THINK of Heroin, I want you to think of what it’s like to be sicker than you’ve ever felt, then have a dealer you don’t even remember crossing CURB STOMP you.
If you don’t know what a curb stomp is, look it up.
THINK OF A CURB STOMP WHEN YOU THINK OF HEROIN
and when you see that Dealer, when you’re in that place by accident, when you so much as want to snort it or smoke it, RUN RUN RUN... Around the block, down the street, out into the cold, whatever. Just run away.
Please consider Teen Challenge. (It’s for adults.) There is one near you.
I’m so very sorry about your nephew. That’s enough to make anyone horribly sad. And losing your job has got to be upsetting as well. I’m really sorry you’re going through this. Honestly, when life hands you a whole basket of sour lemons, I think it’s natural to think about checking out, especially if you are prone to depression because of genetics, family history, hormones being out of whack, or whatever. BUT there is an enormous difference between passing thoughts, and really dwelling on it and thinking about it seriously. Please try not to dwell on it and give those thoughts credence. It’s just your sadness talking ... but sadness is not forever. I was a mess for several months when my mother died unexpectedly, and thought about harming myself, but I managed to soldier on past that ... and now, years later, my life is very good. Please lean on the Lord early and often for strength, but do remember that other people can help you as well, if you open up to them. I’m glad you have a doctor’s appt. One poster on this thread said something I’m in total agreement with, which is that while it’s possible that Rx drugs might be helpful to you right now, PLEASE only accept a prescription from an actual psychiatrist. I have noticed over the last couple of decades that family docs are cheerfully willing to hand out psychotropic drugs at the drop of a hat, and most of them don’t really have a good understanding of what all the drugs do or how they interact. A trained, good psychiatrist might be able to help you with the *appropriate* medication. But just throwing any old drugs at the wall and seeing if they stick is not a good method for helping with depression! :o)
I hope you get some good help and feel better soon. Please let us know how things go for you!
There is a Celebrate Recovery near you. Swing in. Talk to them. Every Friday night!
First...avoid Byward Market....
Is the Embassy still across from Parliament Hill? If so....go walk around Par. Hill before going to Embassy. Being around people...and the activity ...will help ease your mind. Also...Laurier Place Mall is nearby...if you are OK w people indoors
That will help for your Embassy visit...
And...think of all the positives seeing your family. That will help. Especially if there is a youngster that looks up to you
Of course...the other advice provided by fellow FReepers is excellent...and well worth heeding
I dropped paxil after ten years - lost 60#, started hiking, dropped facebook and spending more time in my hobbies - and less on the computer
For me it was hunting and my atv - anything that increases your exposure to fresh air and sunlight.
Hope is here, and on dark days, know there are people that love you and want you here with them.
You have me so concerned, I spelled something wrong.
There’s so much good advice on this thread, you probably don’t need more. They have covered it all.
I’ll just tell you what I did when I had morning anxiety: I said Psalms 23 several times until it went away. Every morning. And then the morning anxiety went away forever.
I’ll be praying for you as you go through your obligations tomorrow.
In many non-medical cases, depression is the result of finding oneself at a point in life analogous to a dead-end road. The person realizes at some level that they aren't where they want to be but see no easy way to get to where they want to be. The person may have reached this dead end point several times previously. Whereas in the past they always retraced their steps and found a new path through the maze of life, this time they just gave up as depression took over.
There is likely no miraculous fix. Instead, steady work over time is what is required to straighten out a person's life... a life that may resemble a tangled ball of string.
Start out by visiting a reputable health food store and asking for an age and sex appropriate multivitamin to help fill in any nutritional gaps you may be missing in your diet.
Without doing anything else differently, try the multivitamin for one week per directions and see if you notice any difference. Hopefully you will find that with the multivitamin you will have a little more energy and perhaps a little less in the way of food cravings. If you notice any improvement, you will know that some portion of your problem stemmed from a nutritional deficiency. Keep taking the multivitamins faithfully as they represent one of the first successful steps of many that you will take in conquering your depression.
I understand Julie. Sometimes it’s hard to feel optimistic. I have felt this way for some time. Just... disconnected and ‘why bother.’
Appreciation. Every morning and every night. It sounds simplistic, I know. But it was all that could bring me out of depression and I was seeing a therapist. Medication did not work for me. I had to spend 15 minutes morning and night writing down or praying about all I could find to be thankful for, and had to force myself to do it. Then I learned to do it through the day for the smallest of things that happened or that I received. It took a couple of months to really notice a difference.
You say that you are depressed. Just wondering if there is a particular reason that you are depressed. Did some event happen in your life (death in the family, etc...) making you depressed? Is this something that happens a lot or just lately (feelings of depression)?
Take the miracle you have been given (the quick access to a doctor) and discuss medical options. A lot of depression is truly a chemical imbalance in the brain. Discuss with your dr you other physical symptoms as well. Correcting brain chemistry is no different than correcting the pancreas lack of insulin production via diabetic meds.
Keep strong in your faith—get your paperwork done quickly and avoid that temptation—and know that aid is around the corner next week w/you doctor.
Be strong—sending prayer & good thoughts your way!
Get in touch with family and health services immediately. Reach out to people you trust and share this immediately. Lord, I just hope you are ok and feeling better soon!
I have struggled with depression in the past. Had a really tough time with anxiety, phobia .
My number one suggestion is to find someone or maybe a number of someones who could use your help.
It may seem to you that “what's the difference” may apply to your life. But YOU, are the difference to others. Plenty of very worthy causes. Maybe you could help teach kids in Sunday school. Perhaps the local hospital needs people to rock preemie's in the neonatal nursery. Maybe the local soup kitchen would benefit from your ability to turn donated food in to meals. Every city has a bunch of walks, runs, swims and so on to raise funds for cancer or heart disease.
Appreciate God has given you valuable skills to benefit others.
When I struggled to pray up the nerve just to leave the house and drive to work my main scriptures were.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
Also 2 Tim 1,7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
I'm praying for you.
How are you doing today? Listen, everyone suffers from depression. Esp people of faith, because this world does not look like the world we know with Jesus. Dying sounds good some times, so we can be with our love and Lord. But that is not the plan, Julie.
I have struggled with finding death, myself. I totally understand. But if I killed myself, what does that say about my faith, to get me thru this fire?
THAT is why we are to give each other fellowship, while we run our race of faith. This world is a hard place, and every day we are given the chance to choose one of two paths laid before us.
One is a blessing, and one is a curse.
19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
We have to LEARN how to find the blessings, and we get tackled and bruised while trying to figure that out. We make mistakes and get down.. and feel like giving up.
But don’t give up- because your joy will be greater each time you overcome your obstacle. Think of it like the Olympics. :)
Listen- our faith is ALWAYS being tested and refined and made more pure. We are being made holy, with all of these tests. SO each time you choose the right path, you are winning YOUR race. You are overcoming the world.
Drugs are death. OK? Don’t go that way.
Choose life and be blessed.
Tell Satan to GET behind you- by picking UP your Bible and getting on your knees. Jesus will not forsake you. He is FOR you. He intercedes for you. Pray and ask for the Holy Spirit to fill you with understanding. Ask for your identity IN Christ Jesus, by scripture and verse- and see the tools you have to overcome drugs.
You can do it. Many of us have overcome drugs, alcohol, strife, greed, lust, envy.. and you can do it too...so that you are an encouragement to YOUR brothers and sisters in faith.
We are praying for your success and joy.
God bless you.
Yes, move to a latitude closer to the equator, warmer and longer daylight hours, especially during the winter months.
Ditto that. I walk the dog about four miles every day. And every day since I started...the world has gotten a little brighter and I have felt better.
It can be a chemical thing— so eat right, exercise, and do some thinking about what Direction you are going in. Sometimes your body will tell you when you are headed in a direction your soul doesn’t want to go.
Yes. Quit listening to STP. Garbage in, garbage out.
Seriously, when you see your doctor demand extensive thyroid testing. Certain types of thyroid disease mimics transient depression and can be severe. I have also seen several posts regarding vitaminD, and that information is invaluable, have your doctor do a D blood test as well. You do not need a prescription, go to the pharmacy and ask for......MAXIMUM D3, 10,000 IU. Take one a day for a week and then one capsule every week thereafter. You will feel significantly better . Even if you are clinically depressed the D will help fight in. Remember one thing........depression eventually lifts and what you are feeling today can change in a heartbeat. Look at depression as a voice from God to encourage you to look inward for answers and change in your life.
The first thing I’d advise is to get a physical. Hormone issues can cause massive depression. (Been there, done that)
The second thing I’d advise is to change your diet. Eat plenty of protein, healthy fats, veggies and some fruits and nuts. Add a good quality multi-vitamin to your regimen. A low-quality diet can cause depression. As can malnutrition.
While you’re doing these things, get help. Find a counselor who specializes in Cognitive Behavior Therapy. Traditional therapy focuses on the ‘why do I feel this way.’ CBT shifts that focus to ‘how to I stop thought patterns that make me feel this way and think in positive ways that help me feel better.’
Continue to have faith in G-d; but remember, He provides the oars. You still need to row the boat.
WOW! So CREATIVE! You made the Scripture into frameable pieces of art to use as a daily reminder. Thank YOU!
You live in Canada and you vacation in Chicago. No wonder you are depressed. Move back to a red state in America and go to the Florida beaches on vacation. You will cheer right up. :-)
......Psalm 128, esp. verses 1 and 2, and count them as an absolute promise.
Yes! And then we can spend some time imaging....
Imagine tens of thousands of Freepers packed into a stadium cheering you on. Don’t give up. We’re rooting for you...
Others have suggested exercise. My suggestion is getting an exercise machine - a decent one like a recumbent bike with programs where you press a button and can veg out in front of the TV while pedaling away. Doesn’t have to be expensive - Walmart has machines with preset programs for a couple of hundred bucks. Work out at a set time and a moderate pace for about 30 minutes every day.
I, too, feel your pain... Every comment made to your post has connected with me!
Thank you for sharing - this is what we should do. I believe we are placed together in order to lift up each other.
Every day is a NEW day. I sing this song for you, for me, for everyone who needs reminding: “This is the day which the Lord hath made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. This is the day, this is the day which the Lord hath made!”
OKAY BABY! CHECK IN WITH US when you can! How ya doin’ / how did you do today?
I forgot to add: sunlight and exercise.
If you have felt this way for more than a couple of weeks, it sounds like you might need an anti-depression medication for a few months. Lots of freepers think prayer alone and faith will be all that you need, but they would certainly not tell you that if you had, for instance diabetes...the brain chemisty can sometimes be out of wack and the medication can put you back on track....the brain is open to possible problems just like any other part of our body...thats why God gave us doctors. Just find one you feel you can trust, and he can help you....
And likewise unto you.
Like listening to the Stone Temple PilotsI Got Youabout heroin.
After burning the CD, she negates what she heard and says "No, you don't have me, Jesus does as I've been bought by a price and HE says 'No one can snatch me out of His Hand'".
" I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is GREATER than all; no one can snatch them out of My Father's Hand." John 10:28,29
What good is faith is you don't use it!
My adult children don't need your luck. The least is - I know they have no problem keeping focused and learning. But my children aren't the focus of this thread, are they?
in fact St Luke was a physician,
While Jesus healed.
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