Skip to comments.Baby Neanderthal Breast-Fed for 7 Months
Posted on 05/25/2013 7:02:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
A baby Neanderthal who lived in what is now Belgium about 100,000 years ago started eating solid food at 7 months old, revealing a new aspect of the evolution of breast-feeding.
The precision of this estimate is courtesy a new technique that uses elements in teeth to determine when breast-feeding started and stopped. Though researchers can't be sure the young Neanderthal's pattern was typical of its kind, such a breast-feeding pattern is not unlike that seen in many modern humans...
Until now, however, no one had an effective way of looking at bones and reconstructing breast-feeding history. Past attempts had relied on moms' memories of when they started supplementing breast milk with solid food and when they weaned their babies...
He and his colleagues had an advantage: A large study of pregnant women in Monterey County, Calif., that started when the women were only 20 weeks along in their pregnancies and followed them for years. At seven years and onward, the mothers were asked to donate a baby tooth their child had lost. Arora and his colleagues analyzed the teeth for biomarkers that matched changes in the child's breast-feeding status.
(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...
A molar tooth model showing color-coded barium patterns. CREDIT: Ian Harrowell, Christine Austin and Manish Arora
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Cave women did what comes naturally, thus, the survival of our species.
Women now cave to the baby formula market and refuse to nurse, because they can’t take the pain and don’t want to invest the time or the work it takes to breastfeed.
We see increasing amounts of allergies due to cow’s milk, bunches more doctor visits due to problems with formula feeding in infants and it goes on and on. We as taxpayers are on the hook to provide expensive formula to the poor who find a multitude of reasons and ways not to nurse.
It’s stupid. We are going backwards as a species with so many of our practices.
Breastfeeding Nazi rant over.
You have put out some good reading this morning. Thanks
As I recall I think I had a steak with a bottle of suds.
Ditto on the good reading ping.
Probably. Babies would have been partly weaned as soon as possible although they likely would have still nursed until they were about two.
That would reduce the stress on the mother's body as far as calories while allowing baby to get the needed nutrients from mamma's milk.
When my oldest child was 3 weeks old, hurricane Hugo paid us a visit. I remember the long lines at a Red Cross truck delivering formula, and I wonder how did those families without electricity managed to sterilize bottles, nipples... My breast-fed daughter always had her food ready, sterile and warm at any time of the day or the night!
I like breastfeeding.
Modern women breast-feed their kids until they start cutting teeth, and then they wean them off because it hurts. Once a human starts growing teeth, the natural instinct is to chew. Time for some solid food. And we needed some egghead researcher to tell us what our ancestors knew half a million years ago, and what instinct and common sense tells us today?
Thanks for posting. Amazing that one element and location, barium in a baby tooth, was found to be a clear marker of the stage of the baby’s life.
Backwards? Back to the days when our ancient ancestors used formula? Are you suggesting that breast-feeding is some kind of "advancement" that we are now abandoning, i.e. those who choose not to breast feed are moving "backward?"
I don't disagree with your points, but to say that those who won't breast feed are moving backward kinda makes me scratch my head.
One baby does not a study make. But it will produce millions in grant money.
Read history and you will see that before formula, and especially among primitive tribes, it was not uncommon for mothers to nurse kids until they were three or four year old.
For a meat diet Neanderthal, the only supplemental food available was blood or meat juices. My father told me that when he was a child on a ranch, they would put chunks of rare cooked meat in a cloth and squeeze out the blood and juice to feed to babies (1930s).
Somewhat Witty, Itty Bitty Titty Ditty
A cave lady whose breasts were quite wee,
Little more than the stings of a bee,
..Were the way to enhance
What became a huge 42 (Gee!)
Move over, kid.
[[The precision of this estimate is courtesy a new technique that uses elements in teeth to determine when breast-feeding started and stopped]]
For cryign out loud- how do they know the parents didn’t give the child Ensure?
I agree 100%
Have a couple glasses of wine before hand? My Polish In Laws told me that a shot of Vodka led to a peaceable nights sleep for all involved.
On a separate note, it's been said that the effect of all the estrogen-laced soy in soy baby formula has an a feminizing effect on little boys, which kind of explains today's gay infatuated society.
Kids grew up healthy and never had a single health problem. No silly allergies to things like peanut butter, no ADD, no major sickness, nothing like that at all. They weren't even discipline problems though I like to take credit for some of that.
Plus, my first baby was a 10 lb. c-section birth ... and of course everyone but my midwife said all the rest had to be c-sections as well. Well, the next three were regular deliveries with no complications.
That said, even with breast feeding two of mine had chronic ear infections, the other two never did.
Yes, we did the cloth diaper thing too. Just seemed like a better way to go as opposed to those humongous packages of disposables they sell at the supermarket. The Dydee man would pick up the used ones and drop off the fresh clean ones on our doorstep. Cotton breathes a lot easier than plastic and never had to deal with diaper rash issues.
Not even close -- that's pure anti-Neanderthal propaganda.
For starters, after hundreds of thousand of years living in Ice Age Europe, Neanderthals were certainly white skinned.
So here is what real scientists say they looked like:
Laughing my farging @ss right onto the floor.
Hell I'm 60+ and I still like to breast feed :)
u`re a youngster
Now it's Sunday morning, time for you to sober up, FRiend.
So, you have evidence to support your, ah, hilarious opinions?
And floss, maybe they flossed.
That garbage has been linked on FR before. And it is garbage. Some Australian dreamed up that garbage and has been pushing it through a garbage website. It isn’t scientific, it’s a cartoon, my best guess, he wants a movie or tv show.
Yeah, I figured as much, but the story is fun to read anyway.
Hardly likely that a glacial dwelling primate would be covered with thick black fur... now if it were white fur...
What I find interesting is that they assume none of them liked to wash the dirt off their bodies, or take care of their hair vs. all of them having matted dreadlocks and black streaks of dirt all across their bodies... Even animals clean themselves - but apparently we must assume that our “relatives” were absolutely unconcerned about those things?
I don’t know any mother who doesn’t at least do a little bit of “spit” grooming now and again - getting dirt off a cheek, or slicking down a cowlick. I have a hard time believing that even neanderthal moms didn’t do that as well... It’s instinctual...
I nursed two sons. The first for about 9 months, the second a little more than two years. About biting. The first time either one did that I yelped and jerked away. They did not do that again. My first son had two upper molars at 5 months. He was sitting in the carriage with a bag of groceries in front of him. I was chatting with a neighbor, and when I looked at him he had leaned forward and scraped a 1 inch diameter hole in a big green pepper with those two teeth. I made my own baby food based on Adelle Davis’ book “Let’s Have Healthy Children. He is now 43, in Afghanistan with Special Forces. He had one cavity a couple of years ago. My other son has also had one cavity under an impacted molar.
They did have some problem with ear infections, although not as bad as mine. I would boil water with a teaspoon of honey, add 500 mg. of Vitamin C (crushed) and a half teaspoon of powdered garlic. Put it in a baby bottle and let them suck on it during the night. It helped open their eustacian tubes and provide drainage, which helped a lot. Garlic is also a germacide.
The son I nursed for over 2 years has a far more mellow disposition. When he was about 18 months old he protested getting into pajamas with vigor. Then we would lie on the bed for nursing. He would be about a foot away and look at my bare breast and scowl at me. I would just lie quietly and after a few minutes he would inch closer. Finally he would take the breast but his body would be very stiff. Soon he would relax, and finally pat my side affectionately with one hand. He lost interest in nursing about the time we no longer had “terrible twos” struggles.
“So, you have evidence to support your, ah, hilarious opinions?”
Didn’t you recognize image “F?”
Infinitely more scientific than the joke photos in post #17.
“Infinitely more scientific than the joke photos in post #17.”
Well, it was still very funny that “F” was included in that gallery.
I am not, obviously, an anthropologist. I had one course in college (Man in the Pleistocene) and continue to read popular literature, but am in no way competent to understand what is wrong with the arguments advanced by Vendramini. I mean, it looks plausible to me.
Nor am I an expert, but those Vendramini images are not even remotely "plausible", and here's why:
So those Vendranamini images seem obvious anti-Neanderthal propaganda, doubtless intended to suggest there is no way interbreeding happened, or if it did, that the resulting hybrids were decidedly in-human.
Neither supposition seems realistic to me.
Some comparisons of Vendramini versus other representations of Neanderthals vs early humans:
The Monkey Trial - Evolutionary Politics in the post-Traditional Age by Chuck Morse
If you wish to argue that today's culture has sunk ever deeper these past, oh say, 150 years, and that evolution theory has been misused to justify countless horrors, then I'm all with you -- tell it like it is.
But if you somehow suggest that this makes the scientific theory of evolution invalid, I'd call that a non-sequitur.
It would be like saying that since the Atom bomb killed so many people, therefore it's science is flawed.
Bottom line: the scientific evolution hypothesis has been confirmed often enough to be considered a valid theory, and some of its processes (descent with modifications, natural selection) have been observed, making them facts.
Allegations of "flaws" notwithstanding, there is no confirmed evidence to validly falsify the theory.
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