Posted on 05/22/2013 6:45:28 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
1.) IF John Hagee, Perry Stone, and/or anyone else on TCT, TBN, INSP, WCT, etc, accept women as being able to occupy the positions of apostles, and/or prophets, and/or evengelists, and/or pastors and/or teachers (with such examples such as Paula White and Joyce Meyer (whom I believe operate as a pastor and teacher respectively)), and...
2.) IF they believe that women can occupy these positions within the sphere of the New Testament/New Covenant, and...
3.) IF they believe that the office of Rabbi (Messianic or otherwise) has been carried over into the New Testament/New Covenant, (with such examples as Kurt Schneider?, Jonathan Bernis?) then do they also believe that women can occupy the position of Messianic Rabbi?
What say you?
The logical conclusion based on facts in evidence would be yes....
Paula White is a public sinner.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
My own church has no problem with this ~ our founder, “Alexander Campbell, himself, opposed female preaching, but reluctantly agreed that women did have a role in “the ancient order” of the church. In 1835 he wrote, “From Romans 16:1 and 1 Timothy 3:11, it appears that females were constituted deaconesses in the primitive church.” It followed, then, that they should have a place in the restored church.” ~ see: http://revjohnkc.blogspot.com/2009/09/stone-campbell-women.html That’s the First Century church ~ other bodies may well interpret Scripture differently.
What say you about female messianic rabbis, or male messianic rabbis? Is one acceptable while the other is not?
Given who the “they” people are (as cited above), I don’t think I’d accept much of anything that they would want to declare involving any matter of Christian doctrine.
So, if your church accepts women as being able to “preach” and/or be pastors, and/or teachers, does your church accept the office of rabbi (messianic) as being part of the New Covenant program? If so, does your church accept female rabbis (messianic)?
But has the office of rabbi (messianic or otherwise) been carried over as an “office” (I speak of apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher - per Eph. 4, and Overseer/Deacon - per 1 Timothy 3) within the New Testament/New Covenant program?
In the Jewish world there is no such thing as a “Messianic Rabbi”
Our church speaks only where the New Testament speaks. I gave you a couple of citations to relevant NT Scripture.
I personally do not see the role of Messianic rabbi or rabbi as being part of the New Covenant.
But why would the Jewish world exclude female non-messianic rabbis? Just curious...
1 Timothy 2:11,12 — “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
1 Corinthians 14:34,35 — “Let your women keep silence in the churches (assemblies): for it is not permitted for them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
There are a lot things that appear in the Bible (rape, murder, adultery, etc). That doesn’t mean God approves of them, especially when the Bible clearly condemns such practice. And when men (like Paul) moved by the Holy Spirit speak, we should listen. Women should be silent in assemblies. Women should not usurp authority over men. And these doctrines should not be dismissed as cultural aberrations. Hebrews (9:8-10) is very clear which OT practices are no longer in effect.
It is blasphemous to call any man “Rabbi”. (Matthew 23:8-11)
Weak and disobedient men breed apostasy. These “Jezebels” creep in and seduce Christ’s servants (Revelation 2:19-23).
That’s an entirely different question.
>> Our church << speaks only where the New Testament speaks.
Church of Christ?
Disciples of Christ?
By the way I enjoyed looking at revJohn’s blog. Thx for the link.
Yes. I would think that is based upon the female shepherds in the Bible.
Shouldn’t you ask those guys if you want their opinion?
Do you believe in YHvH's Law
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Or a "Reform rabbi."
Or a "Conservative rabbi."
Or a "Reconstructionist rabbi."
Or a "Secular Humanistic rabbi."
Or a "chrstian rabbi!!!
This 'first century church' business is intriguing. Back in 1948 or so the Disciples signed an agreement with the Pope to recognize Catholic baptisms. This has allowed divorced Catholics to continue in a church home ~ ours ~ and even have a perpetual novena.
They are still drawing the line, however, at recognizing the utility of bishops.
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