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Judge dismisses case against cop who broke into home with no warrant & killed unarmed man
YouTube ^ | May 15, 2013 | Rambone

Posted on 05/18/2013 10:35:08 PM PDT by Altariel

THE BRONX, NYC, NY -- After a year of public outrage and legal proceedings, a judge has simply thrown out the indictment of Officer Richard Haste, who gunned down an unarmed man inside his own home, without a warrant. Haste was facing manslaughter charges until the judge tossed the indictment.

https://www.facebook.com/PoliceStateUSA

In February 2012, police broke into the home of 18-year-old Ramarley Graham without a warrant, did not announce themselves as police, shoved guns in the faces of the residents and ultimately gunned down Graham for no reason.

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1 posted on 05/18/2013 10:35:08 PM PDT by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Lords can kill peasants, but peasants can’t kill Lords. So says the King. In a tyranny.


2 posted on 05/18/2013 10:41:39 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Altariel

Just practicing for 2014.


3 posted on 05/18/2013 10:57:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Altariel

Bump


4 posted on 05/18/2013 11:17:35 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Altariel

This was a buy-and-bust that had the deceased running from the police. No warrant was needed because the entry was part of the hot pursuit of the suspect. Odds are, the suspect made a sudden movement to flush the evidence, and the cop mistook it for an attempt to draw a firearm.

From the Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/judge-tosses-ramarley-graham-shooting-indictment-article-1.1344725


The tragic chain of events began when police pursued Ramarley Graham into his family’s Williamsbridge apartment as part of a drug deal investigation.

Once inside, Haste identified himself as a cop and fired at Graham point-blank in the bathroom after mistakenly believing he saw a gun, police officials said.

Cops found a bag of marijuana near Graham’s body and suspected he was trying to flush it down the toilet. No weapon was found.

The ruling Wednesday reignited the widespread anger over the incident. “This is an outrageous miscarriage of justice and an insult to the family and supporters of Ramarley Graham,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton.


The moral of this incident is that drug dealers should not make any sudden movements while being challenged by a cop.


5 posted on 05/18/2013 11:31:10 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Killing someone for selling drugs? Right.


6 posted on 05/18/2013 11:33:10 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: man_in_tx
Killing someone for selling drugs? Right.

Not the first time someone's been killed for making a sudden movement at point blank range. If the deceased had produced a gun and the cop had hesitated, the funeral might have been the cop's. The way for drug dealers to avoid such misunderstandings is to remain motionless when cops are within several yards trying to arrest them.

7 posted on 05/18/2013 11:40:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: man_in_tx

Killing someone for selling drugs and then looking like they’re trying to kill you?


8 posted on 05/19/2013 12:08:46 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Altariel

this is why regular people don’t trust cops or the justice system.


9 posted on 05/19/2013 12:53:31 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Zhang Fei

>>Odds are, the suspect made a sudden movement to flush the evidence, and the cop mistook it for an attempt to draw a firearm.

Thought a baggie of weed was a gun? If a civilian made that mistake (if that is what is was) how many years would they be doing now?


10 posted on 05/19/2013 1:33:03 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Altariel
Maybe he was gonna invent sky net, and the Terminators got him first.


No, just the WOD (aka the govt declares 50% of American Citizens criminal.) spreading out, getting settled in.

Enjoy your police state subjects.

11 posted on 05/19/2013 2:38:56 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: Zhang Fei
The ruling Wednesday reignited the widespread anger over the incident. “This is an outrageous miscarriage of justice and an insult to the family and supporters of Ramarley Graham,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton.

The arrival of Sharpton and his "supporters" is a certain indicator there's money to be stolen, lies to be told, racial hatred to be spread, or all the above.

12 posted on 05/19/2013 2:45:00 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Zhang Fei
The moral of this incident is that drug dealers should not make any sudden movements while being challenged by a cop.

There is no evidence that the unarmed 18 year old who was shot to death in his own apartment was a 'drug dealer'. Even the article you cite doesn't claim this. The only evidence reported is that a 'bag of marijuana' (no mention of amount) was found near the victim. The only real moral here is that in the US today, cops can break into your home at will without a legal warrant or invitation, claim you are menacing them, and shoot you - and can then find people willing to blame you for having the nerve to get killed by the cops for the crime of standing in your own bathroom holding a bag of weed.

The case was apparently thrown out due to a DA's mistake and will apparently be re-submitted to a grand jury. I sincerely hope so.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9103401
13 posted on 05/19/2013 2:58:53 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

The one thing here that bothers me is this LEO’s explanation of ‘looked like he had a gun’ is a person’s normal posture when flushing a toilet from a standing position. Most people have to bend over.

I’ve never seen in the movies where a perp with a gun bends over like one would do flushing a toilet to even ‘get a gun’ from his rear pocket, say.

The other thing is that if this perp did exactly that, then he wasn’t ‘waving’ a gun at the cop, already.

This cop needs to be retried.


14 posted on 05/19/2013 3:21:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Altariel

That headline doesn’t tell the whole story. The police officer had information that the drug dealer was armed. The dealer fled into the apt. and was attempting to get rid of the drugs when he turned on the officer and was shot. One druggie dead that won’t get more kids hooked.


15 posted on 05/19/2013 3:56:09 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: coloradan

Nothing more dangerous than a killer with a badge - (great statement from a movie)


16 posted on 05/19/2013 4:05:51 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Altariel

NY Police should not be allowed weapons.


17 posted on 05/19/2013 4:27:26 AM PDT by ricmc2175
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To: Altariel
Ramarley Graham

Ramarley ??? What kind of name is that...

RIP...gunned down by JBT

18 posted on 05/19/2013 4:49:13 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Cops found a bag of marijuana near Graham’s body

Breaking down a door without a warrant, not announcing they were the police, gunning down an unarmed man...all for a bag of pot...Really ?

Why didn't the police detain him before he went into his house? Obviously they were watching him...

I have no problem with the death penalty for drug dealers who illegally sell Schedule III drugs...

19 posted on 05/19/2013 5:02:42 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Standing Wolf

Exactly....

Once I read Al Sharpton, being involved on the perps side....the judge made a good decision

Sharpton is Black Ku Klux Klan Racist...and him bringing in the New Black Panthers (Black Ku Klux Klan) trying to lynch George Zimmerman after his self-defense capping of Trayvon Martin, should tell everyone nothing good comes around with Sharpton


20 posted on 05/19/2013 5:56:23 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Altariel
I watched the video, the cops were after a suspected drug dealer. Once he is in the building and surrounded, there was no need for a forced entry.

How many people in that building including cops could have been killed?

It was damned irresponsible and illegal to enter that building.

21 posted on 05/19/2013 6:09:03 AM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: Altariel

We live in a police state. I was driving to work last week and the popo were doing car searches at the stop light under the pretext of handing out a pamphlet and stating just want to let you know the fines have gone up for seatbelt violations.........walking from car to car eyeballing the passenger compartment for contraband......... chilling


22 posted on 05/19/2013 6:43:43 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Popman

You do realize how easy it would be for the police to murder you, plant drugs in your home, and claim you were a “suspected drug dealer”, do you not?

Nowhere does the article or video claim that the victim was a drug dealer, suspected or otherwise.

Nowhere is he accused of a violent crime.

You should think about what you are defending-—remember, the same tactics will be used against Freepers one day. Be careful what you cheer today.


23 posted on 05/19/2013 7:02:12 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Popman

Apologies, I misread your post. Mea culpa.


24 posted on 05/19/2013 7:03:11 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: rawcatslyentist

Maybe he knew where Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor were hiding....

Seriously, this is a bad precedent.


25 posted on 05/19/2013 7:03:59 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: yldstrk

Fools believe the WOD is protecting them from drugs despite the evidence that decades of police roadblocks,forced entry,murders, and pet-stompings have hardly changed the fact that millions choose to buy and use drugs.

It is just as evil,stupid,and useless as the Prohibition era.

BUt the control freaks and statists simply can’t abide freedom.


26 posted on 05/19/2013 7:04:55 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Altariel

I was wondering : )


27 posted on 05/19/2013 7:16:32 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: Popman
have no problem with the death penalty for drug dealers who illegally sell Schedule III drugs...

Please reexamine your position. Just this month we have learned that the IRS, FBI, Homeland Security, and OSHA has **ABSOLUTELY** and **VERIFIABLY** targeted specific political opponents of the current president. Coordination of so many agencies could only have come from the highest levels. IT HAPPENED! Do you honestly believe that these EVIL people aren't completely capable of planting drugs on anyone they want eliminated?

Trillions have been spent on a futile War on Drugs and the street price of drugs has not risen one bit. This means that all those trillions were a complete waste in terms of reducing access to drugs. Even little ole' me ( a 65 year old middle class white grandmom) could **easily ** figure out how to get illegal drugs in about a half hour.

It is time we gave up the War on Drugs and focused on treatment and treated drug abuse in the same manner that we do alcohol abuse.

28 posted on 05/19/2013 7:19:09 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

There is no war on drugs, wintertime.


29 posted on 05/19/2013 7:22:42 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: hoosierham

It is best to avoid all law enforcement contact


30 posted on 05/19/2013 7:25:58 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RedHeeler

Indeed!

The money is merely spent to provide government jobs and Democrat votes.


31 posted on 05/19/2013 7:27:06 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime; Popman
Please reexamine your position. Just this month we have learned that the IRS, FBI, Homeland Security, and OSHA has **ABSOLUTELY** and **VERIFIABLY** targeted specific political opponents of the current president. Coordination of so many agencies could only have come from the highest levels. IT HAPPENED! Do you honestly believe that these EVIL people aren't completely capable of planting drugs on anyone they want eliminated? Trillions have been spent on a futile War on Drugs and the street price of drugs has not risen one bit. This means that all those trillions were a complete waste in terms of reducing access to drugs. Even little ole' me ( a 65 year old middle class white grandmom) could **easily ** figure out how to get illegal drugs in about a half hour. It is time we gave up the War on Drugs and focused on treatment and treated drug abuse in the same manner that we do alcohol abuse.

So your position would be to legalize all Schedule III narcotics? Maybe we could have Needle parks like they do in the Netherlands.

Spoken like a true libertarian. Please try to remember Ron Paul lost.

32 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:41 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Zhang Fei

The way for drug dealers to avoid such misunderstandings is to remain motionless when cops are within several yards trying to arrest them.


Maybe he was new to the game, did not know that the cop was just itching to kill some one or scared stupid.


33 posted on 05/19/2013 7:28:57 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: verga

Please do not send messages to me. (This is the latest of many requests.)

My wish it not to shut down discussion, so you have my full permission to comment in any manner on my posts and threads. As has been explained to you **MANY** times it is possible to do this by simply posting to “all” or your own name.

Obviously, you can ignore my request and continue to pester me with your messages. If you do, though, it is possible that some on Free Republic might conclude that government school teachers are stalkers and bullies.

Politely,

Wintertime.


34 posted on 05/19/2013 7:36:43 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Busy bees.


35 posted on 05/19/2013 7:41:37 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: wintertime

It is time we gave up the War on Drugs and focused on treatment and treated drug abuse in the same manner that we do alcohol abuse.


I agree, quit spending money on the drug war, it is only for the purpose of employment of the people in law enforcement.

The thousands of Government agency,s are for one purpose and it has nothing to do with safety as they would have people believe, it is for complete control over every aspect of every ones lives.

Laws are not about right or wrong,in many peoples mind being legal it is right or being illegal it is wrong, just a way to collect more taxes to feed a Government that is already much too big.


36 posted on 05/19/2013 8:17:46 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: wintertime

Amen.


37 posted on 05/19/2013 8:36:17 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Altariel

Simply put, the judge *had* to throw out the indictment, because the prosecutor made a fatal error when presenting the case to the grand jury. However, the judge’s order was not “with prejudice”, so the case can and will be refiled before another grand jury.

The prosecutor’s error was that he did not present the recorded-on-police-radio instructions to the officer who shot the suspect. That was it, but yes, it is a serious flaw to an indictment. No way could that indictment have survived into trial.

The “they had no warrant” charge was bogus, because they were in pursuit, so they didn’t need a warrant.

What matters is that the officer legitimately *thought* he was armed, so if he made any movement that looked like he was pulling a gun, the shooting was legitimate.


38 posted on 05/19/2013 8:39:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The police were not in pursuit.

The young man is clearly strolling into his residence, not fleeing.

One could make a case that the police were *watching* the residence and then *stormed* it.

But the claim that they were in hot pursuit of a man (seriously? They’re “in hot pursuit” and can’t catch a man at a leisurely stroll?) is suspect at best.

Don’t justify the criminal actions of government employees.

I guarantee the same setup could be used against any Freeper here—storm the residence, claim to be in hot pursuit of Freeper X, shoot Freeper X without a warrant.

Let’s nip this in the bud now, before it is used against us.


39 posted on 05/19/2013 8:57:57 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: wintertime
Please do not send messages to me. (This is the latest of many requests.)

As YOU pointed out to a numnber (sic, the word is spelled number. You would think that a homeschooling advocate would be much better at spelling, or at least intelligent enough to hit the "spell" button.) of other people it is a direct violation of netiquette to not ping the person when you are responding to one of their posts, even the ones that are completely off the wall and make no sense at all. Obviously, you can ignore my request and continue to pester me with your messages. If you do, though, it is possible that some on Free Republic might conclude that government school teachers are stalkers and bullies.

Wow what a really obvious way to make a Saul Alinsky style attack on a person. It is no wonder that your won children are so opposed to your methods that they don't follow your advice about education.

40 posted on 05/19/2013 8:59:46 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Altariel

“The young man is clearly strolling into his residence, not fleeing.”

(From an earlier story)

The February shooting stemmed from an NYPD investigation of a persistent drug trade in the Bronx neighborhood where Graham lived. At the time, police said investigators identified Graham as a potential suspect and radioed to other officers that he appeared to be armed with a pistol.

A *witness* told police that around the same time, two officers wearing NYPD jackets pulled up and yelled at a man – apparently Graham – “Police! Don’t move!”

After the man (went) into Graham’s three-family home, the officers found a back entrance, climbed some stairs and broke down the door to a second-floor apartment where Graham lived with his grandmother and other relatives, police said.

An officer positioned behind Haste reported seeing Graham run toward a bathroom. He also heard Haste yell, “Show me your hands!” and “Gun! Gun!” before a shot rang out, police said.

Both in the small bathroom, Haste yelled for Graham to hold up his hands, and when the teen reached for his waistband, the officer fired, according to his lawyer, Stuart London.

“I thought he was going to shoot me, so I shot him,” Haste said in a court statement read by London.

Haste fired one shot at close range from his 9 mm semiautomatic handgun, police said.


41 posted on 05/19/2013 9:09:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: kenmcg
>"One druggie dead that won’t get more kids hooked."

Do you really believe murdering your brother will prevent kids from making bad decisions?

What's the difference if kids get cannabis from their dad's liquor cabinet, or from a criminal cartel? Is this getting through? People have choices! We don't always make good ones. You are making a bad choice worse, much worse.


Prohibition does NOT work! It only makes a slave of your brother, and a slave owner of you.

42 posted on 05/19/2013 9:18:34 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: verga
I respectfully request that you stop stalking and bullying me.

Please, no more messages of any kind.

Since it is not my intension to hinder free flow of expression, you have my full permission to comment in any manner that you like about my posts and threads. Please feel completely free to use my name and reference my posts by their exact number, but, please do not contact me.

Respectfully,

Wintertime

43 posted on 05/19/2013 9:33:52 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Altariel
Nowhere does the article or video claim that the victim was a drug dealer, suspected or otherwise.

Portraying criminals as pillars of the community or honor students is pretty standard issue reporting. It was satirized in Tom Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities, which came out in 1987, but way predates the book. Sacco and Vanzetti were guilty as sin, but the media lionized them anyway.

44 posted on 05/19/2013 9:45:41 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: verga
verga said: "Spoken like a true libertarian. "

I think you would be more convincing if you would detail all the many successes of the war on drugs.

And no, I am not a drug user. I haven't consumed alcohol or nicotine in 35 years and can't even tolerate caffeine anymore.

You should realize that YOU can never win this war because so many like ME don't support it. If I wanted some pot I know I can get it within 1000 feet of my house at any time. I don't support killing my neighbors because they have a baggy of pot and I certainly don't want a cop mistakenly killing me or mine because of a meaningless suspicion that we might be in possession of leaves and twigs that grow naturally on God's green earth.

The cost of the war on drugs has been enormous and continues to rise.

45 posted on 05/19/2013 11:29:16 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: rawcatslyentist

‘Do you really believe murdering your brother will prevent kids from making bad decisions?

What’s the difference if kids get cannabis from their dad’s liquor cabinet, or from a criminal cartel? Is this getting through? People have choices! We don’t always make good ones. You are making a bad choice worse, much worse.”

What a moronic statement! How much pot do you do? Or has it introduced you to harder drugs as it usually does?


46 posted on 05/19/2013 6:39:48 PM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Hardraade

Well, that is a horse of another color, though — is it not true? — that that is your reconstruction of the event, I believe, based on the testimony of the cop.

Or was that his “lie”-amony? We will never know, because we don’t have the victim around to give his side of the story.

I see how your side won in court. I don’t think it is the winning strategy in our streets or prisons.

In other words: Hot pursuit of a drug dealer is not (to my mind) the same as hot pursuit of someone involved in armed robbery or attempted murder.

In other words, he did not need to barge in on the guy’s house. Had he not barged into the guy’s house, we would not be having this discussion, and the victim would still be alive (and, yes, still selling pot on the streets of NYC).

We are probably not going to see eye to eye on this thorny issue, but thank you for your honest thoughts on the matter.


47 posted on 05/19/2013 6:42:01 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: kenmcg
>"What a moronic statement! How much pot do you do? Or has it introduced you to harder drugs as it usually does?"

Well, do you believe murdering your brother will prevent kids from making bad decisions?


If kids are gonna sneak a toke, and many of them will. Would you rather they get it in a safe manner, or from a sleazy drug pusher?


By criminalizing it you force curious kids to seek it in a dangerous way. Instead of obtaining it like alcohol, they have to get it from the same sleazy drug pusher!

How many Oxycontin do you eat a day?

48 posted on 05/19/2013 10:08:09 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: rawcatslyentist

stupid rationalization... what else do you use it on?

Kids are gonna sneak some sodomy, I guess you’d make sure they get that “safely” too,

a “safe manner” is NOT AT ALL. What kind of parenting is it to say something like that. Bad parenting.

safe manner of animal torture?

on and on


49 posted on 05/19/2013 10:14:51 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Altariel

Time for a revolt yet?


50 posted on 05/19/2013 10:16:24 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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