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"MU research chief wants 'cold fusion' puzzle solved"
The Columbia Daily Tribune ^ | December 3, 2011 | Janese Silvey

Posted on 05/09/2013 11:37:28 AM PDT by count-your-change

"That’s the opinion of Rob Duncan, vice chancellor of research at the University of Missouri. He is in the early stages of pitching a plan to establish a national research program that would help scientists study tabletop energy.......

“Without a nationally funded program, you’re going to be limited by the scope of what you can do,” he said.......

Duncan is optimistic higher-ups might be willing to pay attention, even in tight budget times. At a conference in August, representatives from the Naval Research Laboratory presented findings from several experiments where excess heat was produced in a laboratory.".......

(this article was updated recently)

(Excerpt) Read more at columbiatribune.com ...


TOPICS: Humor; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: canr; cmns; coldfusion; lenr; science
Of course he wants federal money, some of it directed to MU, since once "funding" is started the stream is almost impossible to dry up. Hot fusions budget is to die for if you're a professor who has to generate monographs and hopefully books to help bring in money to your employer.

Certainly more research into both hot and "cold" fusion will increase basic knowledge but as the mind breaking amounts of money spent on hot fusion demonstrate, increasing budgets do not necessarily lead to practical results and may never.

So it appears that enough money is being spent on cold fusion research even if not a green Niagra from Washington.

1 posted on 05/09/2013 11:37:28 AM PDT by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

Cold Fusion only works in Italy. It’s called the ‘Chianti Effect.’


3 posted on 05/09/2013 11:47:00 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: count-your-change

Something tells me that it is either not possible — or so easy they’ll wonder why it took them so long to figure it out.


4 posted on 05/09/2013 11:49:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: count-your-change

Funny I watched Continuum the other night (short version; show about a cop that is accidentally sent back in time 65 years with a gang of terrorists that are actually patriots that want to stand against the big corporations that a part if the one world government but act like thugs; hard o tell who the good or bad guys at times) and there was a scientist that was developing cold fusion technology to meet energy needs but the military saw the potential to weaponize it and use it against the people.

Just a strange parallel there; science fiction imitating what might become real life. Good show on Syfy; I recommend it...: )


5 posted on 05/09/2013 11:52:01 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Kenny Bunk

I want federal funding so I can travel there to find out and I don’t mean going tourist class.


6 posted on 05/09/2013 11:52:09 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: wesagain

Soon as a good profit can be made it will be done.


7 posted on 05/09/2013 11:53:46 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: BenLurkin

That I think is very real possibility.


8 posted on 05/09/2013 11:55:21 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

“Page Not Found” - did the FReeper Science Experts get it pulled or what?


9 posted on 05/09/2013 12:09:32 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/


10 posted on 05/09/2013 12:47:57 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: wesagain

How about not, since the majority of us taxpayers don’t want our money wasted chasing debunked conspiracy theories?


11 posted on 05/09/2013 12:53:38 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Easily fooled aren’t you.


12 posted on 05/09/2013 1:20:53 PM PDT by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: count-your-change
"Certainly more research into both hot and "cold" fusion will increase basic knowledge but as the mind breaking amounts of money spent on hot fusion demonstrate, increasing budgets do not necessarily lead to practical results and may never."

LOL. Cold fusion has already demonstrated more progress than hot, having actually reached breakeven (and far more than breakeven).

"So it appears that enough money is being spent on cold fusion research even if not a green Niagra from Washington.

How about we spend 1% of the funds thus far spent on "hot fusion" on LENR research??? Given that the "hot fusioneers" have been running a disinformation campaign against LENR since pretty much day one...the sole reason for which was to protect their monetary turf. An effort which has, unfortunately, been largely successful.

13 posted on 05/09/2013 1:41:57 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: wesagain

Nope, not fooled at all. I’ve actually looked at the evidence and saw with my own eyes that WTC7 suffered massive structural damage which caused the collapse. The huckster Alex Jones and his ilk don’t like to show you that evidence, though, because they are not interested in the truth, just promoting their bogus theories.


14 posted on 05/09/2013 1:58:39 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bigbob

I should’ve put this in the text:

www.columbiatribune.com/.../mu-research-chief-wants-cold-fusion-puzzle-...

Google the title, too.

“did the FReeper Science Experts get it pulled or what?”

No, but I’m sure they wish they could.


15 posted on 05/09/2013 2:11:56 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Away with you! You’ve been exposed.


16 posted on 05/09/2013 2:33:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Wonder Warthog

How about we spend 1% of the funds thus far spent on “hot fusion” on LENR research???
***I’m a revolutionary. I think it should be 2% or more. In fact, I think it should be proportional to the energy produced by each experiment over the last few years.

The hot fusion boys have spent $250B of our money, and the best we have to show for it is 6MJoules of output for a few seconds. In the meantime, hundreds of LENR experiments have generated thousands of MJoules for less than a thousandth of the cost — almost all of which is private money to begin with.

So for hot fusion, we’ve got maybe a total of 10MJoules for $250B, which comes to $25k/Joule. For cold fusion, we’ve got maybe a total of 100k MJoules for $250M, which 25cents/Joule.


17 posted on 05/09/2013 5:12:41 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: count-your-change
"Away with you! You’ve been exposed."

Exposed as what??? Someone who thinks successful research should be rewarded by being accelerated to completion with additional funding, and that unsuccessful research should be de-funded?? I would think that any rational person would agree.

19 posted on 05/10/2013 5:00:57 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog

Shoo! You’ve been dismissed.


20 posted on 05/10/2013 5:37:43 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: wesagain
"Except there are multiple hundreds of demolition experts and structural engineers who disagree with you."

There are a whole lot more that agree with me.

"And BTW you have not seen "massive structural damage" to that building nor can you post a pic of it because the building was basically intact at the time it was pulled."

So you're calling me a liar? Don't tell me what I have or have not seen. Now, I WILL post the pics, just to prove you wrong, though I don't hold out much hope that it will change your attitude:

I'm sorry, but in the real world, a building that is missing an entire corner, from the 18th floor down to the ground, does not qualify as "basically intact", especially in when you are talking about cantilever construction. A more appropriate description would be "fatally compromised".

21 posted on 05/10/2013 6:37:52 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: count-your-change
"Shoo! You’ve been dismissed."

Shoo yourself. I won't be "dismissed" any more than you chronic skeptopaths. Apparently you are either unable or unwilling to actually discuss the experimental science (as is typical of pretty much ALL the anti-LENR types that have posted on these threads), so you resort to inanities.

22 posted on 05/10/2013 7:09:05 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: count-your-change

An interesting comparison would be the cumulative dollars funded by the government on high energy fusion and low energy fusion and divide those totals by the cumulative energies produced by each of the two processes.


23 posted on 05/10/2013 7:31:18 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle

I think that’s been attempted but what would it really show? If neither have no foreseeable application then it would seem the better part of caution to be tight fisted about the spending.


25 posted on 05/10/2013 7:57:20 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Wonder Warthog

But you have been dismissed so off you go now, there’s a lad, Ta Ta.
No “flamewars” tolerated here.


27 posted on 05/10/2013 8:08:41 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
"But you have been dismissed so off you go now, there’s a lad, Ta Ta. No “flamewars” tolerated here."

Ah, yes. Another self-appointed posting vigilante. Why does this NOT surprise me. It's OK for you skeptopaths to deluge LENR threads with garbage posts, but not for you to be called on it.

28 posted on 05/10/2013 8:12:24 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: count-your-change

I think such a comparison would show that LENR spending would be far more efficient than high energy fusion funding. I am not aware of any high energy fusion tests that have lasted for any meaningful lengths of time.


29 posted on 05/10/2013 8:15:35 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
It might, it might not. But since neither has produced useful energy (or will in the foreseeable future) it's a bit difficult to think of efficiency.
30 posted on 05/10/2013 8:42:26 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

The LENR processes have produced excess energies for long enough periods to be utilized by known techniques, however inefficient. With high energy fusion many technical problems would have to be addressed to utilize the excess energy. Materials would be a major technical hurdle.


31 posted on 05/10/2013 8:57:14 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Wonder Warthog

The subject of the thread is LENR, etc., not you. If you wish to comment on those aspects of LENR discussed in the post and related matters, then welcome back.

There’s enough meat on the cold fusion bone to allow a few more servings.


32 posted on 05/10/2013 9:02:46 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: monocle

“The LENR processes have produced excess energies for long enough periods to be utilized by known techniques, however inefficient”

Someone has made “excess energies” for enough hot water to take a shower or heat a house? Who might that be?

As for the hot fusion folks....they have a long, long wait ahead.


33 posted on 05/10/2013 9:11:10 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

There have been numerous LENR tests that have produced excess energies for quite long periods of time - the problem has always been the ability to reproduce such results. If the mechanism of LENR processes were understood, commercialization would follow very rapidly.


34 posted on 05/10/2013 9:35:32 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
And so research should continue to determine if commercialization is possible.
35 posted on 05/10/2013 9:42:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

If federal tax dollars are to be spent, the technology providing the fastest payout should be pursued.


36 posted on 05/10/2013 10:00:35 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle

Reasonably so. How often are funding decisions quite UNreasonable? Maybe some of the money from hot fusion could be redirected but I doubt that will happen either.


37 posted on 05/10/2013 11:21:22 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
"The subject of the thread is LENR, etc., not you. If you wish to comment on those aspects of LENR discussed in the post and related matters, then welcome back."

Look back upthread, old boy. "I" wasn't the one who changed the subject away from LENR funding.....you were.

38 posted on 05/10/2013 4:52:03 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
I am not going to play a “tit-for-tat” game with you. and so I'll not respond further.
39 posted on 05/10/2013 5:58:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: wesagain
Your sorry truther arse has been zotted into the next time zone.

Adios, moron.


41 posted on 05/10/2013 6:26:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: count-your-change
I want federal funding so I can travel there to find out and I don’t mean going tourist class.

I'm sorry, I really don't want to break your bubble, but if your travel is being paid with federal funding, you DON'T get to go first class. If you work for the federal government, you don't even get a choice of airlines. In fact, in this time of budget sequestration, you'd be lucky to be allowed to go anywhere with federal funding.

Signed, a sad scientist who hasn't been to a scientific conference in over two years.

42 posted on 05/11/2013 8:03:18 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Cold Fusion only works in Italy. It’s called the ‘Chianti Effect.’

Isn't that a synonym for "perpetual energy"?

43 posted on 05/11/2013 8:07:26 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

How ‘bout I get a pony instead?


44 posted on 05/11/2013 9:43:01 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks count-your-change.


45 posted on 05/18/2013 5:15:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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