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Penn Jillette is a ‘nutty ******* peacenik’ who wants the government off your back
DC Caller ^ | 5/7/2013 | Jamie Weinstein

Posted on 05/07/2013 8:22:51 AM PDT by rktman

LAS VEGAS — “My whole libertarian approach comes out of being just a nutty f'ing peacenik,” magician Penn Jillette confides backstage at his show, a few hours before he is set to perform.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: 2gay2becredible; gay; gaymagician; lefties; libertarian; libertarianism; libertarians; pennandteller; pennjillette; tyranny
Cleaned up the excerpt a little but the whole thing is at the link. Don't always agree with Penn but most of the time he's right on the money. Look to utube for some of the videos that he and Teller have out there concerning politics.
1 posted on 05/07/2013 8:22:51 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

I agree with him most but not all of the time...His show Bull$hit debunked many liberal myths...from global warming to the benefits of organic farming...to the cynical liberal curbs on free speech...and the show did this with humor, intelligence and without the shrillness of so many left and right partisans...


2 posted on 05/07/2013 8:27:06 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: rktman

He is amazing on Celebrity Apprentice. Very astute.


3 posted on 05/07/2013 8:30:37 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rktman

I like guys like Penn Gillette.

He may be the diametrically opposed viewpoint from me, but he has the ability to reason, listen to argument, and not have a personal reaction to it.

That is very rare these days.


4 posted on 05/07/2013 8:31:36 AM PDT by struggle
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To: rktman

I disagree with Penn on many points but give him credit for arguing his points rationally and logically and not accepting liberal BS. He is coherent. Where I almost always disagree is at basic starting points and that’s OK, I can agree to disagree on that basis. I’m sure I’d enjoy a discussion over a cup of coffee with him and that we’d walk away freinds.


5 posted on 05/07/2013 8:32:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Tulane

It really boils down to common sense (one freakin’ word) and logic. None of which the radical left wing extremist demokkkrat scumbag socialists use even if the actually have some. Some of the videos are priceless. Well until youtube gets their subscription program in place. Guess they don’t make enough off the advertisers.


6 posted on 05/07/2013 8:32:16 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: rktman

Or boiled-down a bit differently, it’s “too little government” vs “too much”, or to err on the side of freedom vs the side of centralized control by a handful who think they’re smarter than the rest.

I know which side I’d take in a heartbeat.


7 posted on 05/07/2013 8:37:32 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: rktman

8 posted on 05/07/2013 8:40:16 AM PDT by Bratch
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To: bigbob

No doubt. Leave me alone. If I need your help, I’ll let you know. Otherwise, butt out. Kinda how I feel about it.


9 posted on 05/07/2013 8:40:54 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Bratch

Did you send this to difi? Probably wouldn’t get it.


11 posted on 05/07/2013 8:41:48 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: rktman

I agree with you, I don’t always agree with Penn, but I would LOVE to have him as a Neighbor, he very much lives his philosophy and will admit when he was wrong in the past about something.

He is very much a passionate thinker and thoughtful person, not some libertarian drone who only recites talking points.

I am pretty sure we can all agree that Penn is a modern day philosopher.


12 posted on 05/07/2013 8:43:04 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mister Tea

Pretty sure everyone is breaking some law, rule or regulation as we speak. Err, write. Gotta love those rules and regs that carry the weight of law even though congress never approved them. WTF? How is that right?


13 posted on 05/07/2013 8:43:55 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: rktman
Jillette is one of the very few celebrities who can manage to be an outspoken atheist without being obnoxious & offensive.
14 posted on 05/07/2013 8:49:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rktman

I think his comment on why he’d be such a terrible politician, is exactly the kind of attitude that would make a good politician.


15 posted on 05/07/2013 8:50:09 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: Mister Tea; rktman
Underlying Jillette’s rage is his anger over America’s complex legal framework, under which he says no one can be sure they are entirely law abiding.

It's actually worse than that. There are so many laws that you don't have to even guess if you're law abiding because NO ONE is.

16 posted on 05/07/2013 8:56:08 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: rktman

My biggest beef with Libertarians is their foreign policy. I’m all down for a libertarian leaning fiscally responsible domestic model but we can’t be pacifists on the world stage.


17 posted on 05/07/2013 8:59:47 AM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: Still Thinking
You are 100% correct, you can not control a man guilty of nothing, therefore the government must make use guilt of something, to exercise control, try telling that to anyone, most will give you a blank stare at best.

May God Bless all those who stand up for the freedom of the individual.

18 posted on 05/07/2013 9:06:00 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: rktman

I just finished it and there was one really weird thing: Not only does he agree with me on every single issue brought up in the article, but he even articulates the same core reasons for those beliefs, and some of those reasons are rather obscure.

He and Jean Simmons are my evil twins. Both have the same political/social world view as me, right down to many of the detials, except I’m a Christian and neither one of them is. However, Penn reminds me of myself BEFORE I was a Christian, regarding his take on Christianity. I wonder if he will ever come to the Christian side.


19 posted on 05/07/2013 9:08:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Still Thinking

It’s actually worse than that. There are so many laws that you don’t have to even guess if you’re law abiding because NO ONE is.


And one problem with that is it causes a lot of us to have a “why bother trying” attitude. It’s where I am now. I get my moral compass from the bible. If it matches man’s laws, that’s fine. Otherwise, well, The Cornbread Mafia* comes to mind. Great book, btw.

*I live in the Cornbread Mafia area. The whole thing is basically chronicled in the song “Copperhead Road”. It began with the Catholic community bootlegging in a “how to obey God’s laws while disobeying man’s laws” sort of way, spurred by prohibition. When they were all caught a few years back, out of 40-70 who went down (I forget the number), not a single one turned on the others. They all went to prison for varying terms.


20 posted on 05/07/2013 9:13:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: absolootezer0

Yeah. I like to say that I would never vote for a candidate that WANTED the office he was running for. And his comment about him being more effective as a loose canon is exactly what I used to say about Rush Limbaugh when people were suggesting he run for office. I still say it about Palin.


21 posted on 05/07/2013 9:14:51 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rktman

Penn never fails to bring up really good points and articulates them extremely well.

Too bad he reportedly doesn’t drink because I’d love to chat with him over a beer.


22 posted on 05/07/2013 9:23:59 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: SSDecontrol

...but we can’t be pacifists on the world stage.


I wonder about that. Even regarding WWII (which was really two wars for the US). If we had just waited them out, Germany and the USSR would have destroyed each other. And that really matters to me.

I read a novel a couple decades ago called “The Fatherland”. It is an alternate history read where President Kennedy is headed to Berlin to celebrate Hitler’s birthday in the early 60’s. Since the US never entered the war, the USSR was decimated and Germany has become sort of the equivalent of the USSR in the 60’s regarding Europe. But there is a detective story in it where Germany has this amazing secret. In the end it turns out this secret is that they exterminated millions of Jews.

So, why do I bring this up? Because it seemed unthinkable that who we thought were just a participant in a war that they won could actually be guilty of such atrocities, and that information could be hidden for so long. And then it hit me, that is EXACTLY what happened in the real world - except it is the USSR that won and Germany that was decimated. regarding the USSR. It is argued that they murdered far more Jews than Hitler did, but this did not become “common” knowledge until just the last 20 years or so. And they have just sort of been given a pass.

In the real world, it is why the Germans were initially seen as liberators when they entered the Ukrane. That is, until they rounded up the Jews.


23 posted on 05/07/2013 9:24:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: rktman
“A lot of people make this argument that the free market will do everything right,” he explains. “I have no evidence for that. I don’t believe that. I have no evidence that libertarianism leads to a better life. I just think it is morally right.

Achievement of happiness requires gaining and keeping real goods such as health, wealth, and knowledge. The science of economics is able to demonstrate that gaining wealth requires prosperity, and prosperity requires economic progress, and that economic progress is best attained with a modern division of labor, which requires natural rights and free markets.

24 posted on 05/07/2013 9:24:51 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: rktman
So when does he get his own show on Comedy Central?/sarc

Of course we all know we just can't have alternate viewpoints on liberal networks.

25 posted on 05/07/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: cuban leaf

Just think how horrible the world would be if we hadn’t gone to VietNam?


26 posted on 05/07/2013 9:30:45 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: rktman
“My whole libertarian approach comes out of being just a nutty f'ing peacenik,” magician Penn Jillette confides backstage at his show, a few hours before he is set to perform

I saw his show in Vegas.. what a great person.

27 posted on 05/07/2013 9:31:17 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Ben Carson/Rand Paul in 2016)
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To: rktman

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers — and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system.”

Quote by: Ayn Rand
(1905-1982) Author
Source: “Atlas Shrugged”, Part II, Chapter 3


28 posted on 05/07/2013 9:42:09 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: rktman

Jillette is a libertarian, he’s also an atheist...what’s the difference? Not a whole lot that I have seen.

Atheist libertarians can go to hell. Matter of fact they will, regardless to how well they articulate their anti-socialist position, all whose names are not written in the Lamb’s book of life will be thrown into the lake of fire, Rev. 20.

“You can go to hell,” just an idiom, I really don’t want you atheist libertarians to go to hell. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I am a Christian first, conservative second (not libertarian, they are not conservatives), American third.


29 posted on 05/07/2013 10:07:17 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: SSDecontrol
My biggest beef with Libertarians is their foreign policy.

Then it's also your biggest beef with the Founders.

30 posted on 05/07/2013 10:29:41 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: CSM

Is it even possible to have a nation of innocent men?

Aren’t we all guilty of original sin? Don’t we all need salvation?


31 posted on 05/07/2013 10:31:12 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: rktman

“Penn Jillette is a ‘nutty ******* peacenik’ who wants the government off your back...”

Good luck with that; the sort of meddlesome Old Ladies attracted to careers in government nowadays are attracted quite specifically because it furnishes them the opportunity to f*** with everyone and stay quite fixedly on everyone’s back.

They’re the as*hole in-your-face weenies that everyone warned you about as a kid, now grown and become even more self-important.


32 posted on 05/07/2013 10:32:29 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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To: Gunslingr3

> Then it’s also your biggest beef with the Founders.

Do you think a Libertarian president would have waged the Quasi War with France, the First Barbary War, the War of 1812 and the Second Barbary War?


33 posted on 05/07/2013 11:04:19 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: stuartcr

“Is it even possible to have a nation of innocent men?

Aren’t we all guilty of original sin? Don’t we all need salvation?”

Well, yes according to God’s laws. However, man’s laws are a bit different.


34 posted on 05/07/2013 11:34:06 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: SSDecontrol

Nobody said we had to be pacifists. We simply let the world know that each nation is now responsible for their own national security. No more “peace keeping” or “nation building”. Our foreign policy should be “F*** with the United States and we vaporize one of your cities. Do it again and we vaporize your country.”. No need for boots on the ground. No need for American troops in a hundred countries.

Minding our own business is not pacifism. Pacifism is for cowards.


35 posted on 05/07/2013 11:39:48 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Revenge of Sith

You need to study history just a bit more and find out why America got into those wars.


36 posted on 05/07/2013 11:42:08 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: CSM

I find it hard to believe a nation could exist without someone stealing something.


37 posted on 05/07/2013 11:53:46 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Lurker

Who gets to determine the level of f***ing that warrants vaporization? Big f***s or little f***s, any f***cks?


38 posted on 05/07/2013 11:56:04 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

That would be the Commander In Chief in accordance with a Constitutional Declaration of War. It’s all written down somewhere. Some really smart guys did it back in the late 1700s. You should look it up. It’s pretty interesting, actually.


39 posted on 05/07/2013 11:59:41 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: stuartcr

I don’t know what you are saying or what point you are making. It is not a requirement for any nation to have folks who steal, however every population has evil members that do steal.

You are conflating some issues and are missing the point of that Rand quote.


40 posted on 05/07/2013 12:05:17 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

It’s a response to Rand’s quote in #28 about there being no way to rule innocent men. That’s true, but a nation of innocent men, doesn’t exist. It sounds good, but that’s all.


41 posted on 05/07/2013 12:10:08 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: stuartcr

The “ruling innocent men” is not meant to be the collective men. It is the individual man. I am difficult to rule if I am “innocent.” In this case, innocence would be defined as having not taken an action that requires a government action. So, if I am not fearful of government action I can not be “ruled” by the government.

How do you instill fear in those innocent men? You pass so many laws that you can “crack down” on everyone, whenever you please, because they are all now guilty.

In other words, you pass so many laws that each individual is now enslaved!


42 posted on 05/07/2013 1:18:10 PM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: CSM

I understand that but it mentioned a nation of innocent men and that is what I respondedto


43 posted on 05/07/2013 1:39:03 PM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Jack Hammer

bttt


44 posted on 05/07/2013 2:33:53 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Lurker

So what are your thoughts on Ronald Reagan supporting the over throw of the bullies in Nicaragua? Now I dont think we had boots on the ground, but it was important for us to straighten out our back yard, so to speak.


45 posted on 05/07/2013 5:07:03 PM PDT by SSDecontrol
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To: SSDecontrol

Reagan did the right thing in the wrong way. He should have told Congress to kiss his Presidential ass because the Hughes Amendment was un-Constitutional to begin with.


46 posted on 05/07/2013 6:06:35 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: rktman

He’s a very smart guy indeed.I disagree with some of his positions...and agree with others but he’s a formidable intellectual ally,or opponent,depending on *your* position on a particular issue.


47 posted on 05/07/2013 6:56:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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