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Posted on 05/04/2013 9:54:14 PM PDT by MacMattico

So it seems daughters school is stressing "service hours" (volunteer hours) as the only way to get into a decent college. Daughter has high grades in every class, has a full course load, band, two varsity sports and a couple of clubs. More then I ever did and I went to a respectable institution of higher learning! And... Gasp... May even have to get a job in a year or so when she wants that car she keeps talking about!

But no! Not enough! Now the school demands, and backs it up with college admissions material, that kids must have at least 300 hours of community services by graduation. My daughter has helped in the community but is not interested in the liberal nonsense being demanded. For instance, a group of kids sat out in make shift cardboard box "houses" overnight sneaking in pizza and fooling around and got 8 hours of community service for "learning what it's like to be homeless". Seriously! Daughters Guidance Counselor even said "In this world where colleges are taking an holistic approach at admissions, as a non-minority middle class kid you can't just expect to coast by on your excellent grades and a few sports and clubs." Shouldn't you be helping others because you want to, not because the school system demands we create more liberal community organizers? I feel like they're pushing kids to lie and make up fake service hours!


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My daughter works hard for her grades, in sports, she leaves for school at 7:00 and gets home at 5:30! And they tell her it's not enough! She's in HS, and no she doesn't want to be home schooled (enjoys most classes, clubs, sports, good friends). Why when a kid is doing things right do schools push them down? No wonder so many just drop out, say the hell with it, and don't learn anything. And don't even get me started on the USELESS homework!
1 posted on 05/04/2013 9:54:14 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

Oops.. Guess I forgot the “vanity” in the title.


2 posted on 05/04/2013 9:54:58 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico
Do they have to go to a "decent collage" there plenty of state/community collages out there where they can learn come out with a degree and make a living.

With out saddling them with a pile of debt.

3 posted on 05/04/2013 10:01:37 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: MacMattico

This is far from new, and the problem’s even deeper. Even high school academic and athletic awards depend on “service,” and that service is variously and arbitrarily defined. If you can’t fight it with the local schools and school boards, there’s no way you can fight it with admissions offices. I’d bet the ranch that it’s code for discriminating against home-schoolers and Conservatives. The only good news is that there are some colleges out there that don’t insist on these banalities.


4 posted on 05/04/2013 10:06:55 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: MacMattico

My son’s school requires 40 hours over his 4 years of high school. He helps out with technology at various events, like updating computer displays, running a video camera, etc. He’s already earned over half his required hours and gets to have fun to boot.

I agree that it is ridiculous, but luckily we were able to find him something productive to do, no liberal spin stuff, and it gives him IT experience.


5 posted on 05/04/2013 10:14:22 PM PDT by ODC-GIRL (We live in interesting times)
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To: MacMattico

This is a mandate in California high schools. I had my daughter do hers at our church. It is the governments effort to turn everyone into a community organizer or sympathetic to them. I found offensive ten years ago and still do


6 posted on 05/04/2013 10:16:09 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: MacMattico

Totally get it.
My youngest was volunteering at church....
swim team
going to the junior college for her junior and senior year
(that does save on college)
7:30- 5 and then 5-6 hours of home work......
It is horrible but for just a season.
What she did was petition the principle and stated her pint that church work WERE volunteer hours.
She sited laws and regulations........
He accepted her petition, which included mission trips.
Mother/father never give up encourage her to push forward.....and if all fails jounior college solves many problems.

(psst out daughter graduated from a private Christian college at 20, because she pushed.......saved us a bunch of mine)
ping private Freepmail if you want details


7 posted on 05/04/2013 10:16:13 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: MacMattico

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8 posted on 05/04/2013 10:19:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: MacMattico

I haven’t tried to get any kids into college lately, but I’m told, and I’ve read in the Wall St. Journal, that what elite schools REALLY love is if the kid comes up with their OWN service project, plans it, coordinates it, makes it happen, sees it through, writes it up in a nice neat way that can then be submitted to the school (or better yet, post it in a blog, to show other kids how to replicate the same service project, if it really is useful in some way). So instead of kowtowing to their liberal BS ideas of what a service project should be, why can’t she come up with a good conservative project? (Though perhaps she shouldn’t *label* it as Conservative if she doesn’t want their heads to explode! LOL!) Maybe something to help armed services families, or to promote adoption instead of abortion, or ... um, can’t think of any others right now but it’s late and I’m tired. I bet you and your daughter could come up with several more good ideas. Don’t let them stuff your daughter into a pigeonhole! Have her make her own pigeonhole! LOL! :)


9 posted on 05/04/2013 10:21:21 PM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: MacMattico
Maybe volunteer for the NRA's Eddie Eagle gun safety program. That should make some liberal administrator's head spin.

I'm just glad I didn't have to mess with that BS back in the 1980s.

10 posted on 05/04/2013 10:22:20 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: MacMattico

Same thing happened at my HS, and it was a prerequisite. But don’t fret as your daughter will be fine. No sane, normal 18 year old takes this liberal crap seriously unless you are a frothing at the mouth Obamaturd. My “community outreach” (that was it was called) was volunteering at the local cop office.

And I didn’t volunteer because it was a cop’s office. It was because there were a lot of hot girls there from the university who also volunteered. ;)


11 posted on 05/04/2013 10:25:03 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Nifster

We will go the GED route if any more silly requirements come up, although church work would be OK. No longer looking at higher education even though we have prestigious PhDs in the family and such — we want to be out of the mainstream as much as possible. No need or desire for high income or status. Daughters can continue living frugally as we do now.


12 posted on 05/04/2013 10:25:54 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

can a student get a ged at age 16 and quit school? That would work.


13 posted on 05/04/2013 10:35:49 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Actually I was really screwed up as a kid. These ‘volunteer’ projects seem to require parental involvement-the reason I was so screwed up. This ‘volunteering’ requirement really stacks the deck. You want to be left alone to succeed on your own terms and they just won’t leave you alone.


14 posted on 05/04/2013 10:40:17 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: steve86

There are plenty of good colleges out there that will provide your daughters with additional opportunities in life.

Unless you are Amish( and your computer usage suggests you are not) then depriving them of additional education or training is not a good thing


15 posted on 05/04/2013 10:47:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: DIRTYSECRET

This happened to my granddaughter when she was about 16. She wanted to quit school. Her mom had a fit and went to talk to the school’s guidance counselor who told her that said daughter was bored. She was told to let my gd take the GED which she did. She made the highest score ever made. She has had some college classes and will go back after her little girl gets older. Do not understand why the schools do not teach at the good students’ level instead of taking everyone down.


16 posted on 05/04/2013 11:00:49 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Yes, lately she’s been trying to come up with her own plan and create her own way of getting in these service hours. We have an adopted daughter in the family, so that suggestion might be good. Also a relative is a gun collector, teaches the hunters safety course and gun safety. Maybe she can assist him and offer self protection classes! The school administrators would faint!


17 posted on 05/04/2013 11:02:50 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

The issue is “decent school.” Basically either your kid has straight As and is going to get into Harvard or you should not waste your money and time or worry about her getting into a lower level “decent school.” The second tier private schools like Duke for example get you nothing that you won’t get from the best public university in your state.


18 posted on 05/04/2013 11:04:06 PM PDT by JLS
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To: MacMattico

Good schools are getting tired of receiving applications where it’s clear that the student is playing a numbers game to get so much of this, so much of that, etc, etc.

Now they’re looking for students who really care about something and demonstrate it. They want to know that you have a passion, that you’ve committed the time and energy to pursue it, and that you have some record of achievement.

They’re looking for leaders, not for people who follow a recipe.


19 posted on 05/04/2013 11:04:37 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: MacMattico

High grades and high test scores are the most important thing. Volunteer hours are easy to creatively manufacture from stuff most teenagers already do. School clubs have their ow projects that work to meet these requirements. If our oldest son can manage to accrue volunteer hours, then anyone can. He is NOT college material. He does like to work hard at manual labor though. Girls are less likely to do that. Our daughter’s counselor came up with plenty of volunteer hours for our daughter via tutoring, promoting school language programs, and even working/running the snack bar for another school’s baseball team. Daughter used her skills (languages) to meet her volunteer quota. The snack bar stuff was extra. This worked out well with baseball leagues. Parents hate to work the snack bar.

While I think this volunteerism requirement is stupid, it is easy to do and usually something most teenagers do anyway through church activities and school activities. All the homeschoolers we know have no problem documenting volunteer activities that they do.


20 posted on 05/04/2013 11:06:42 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: MacMattico
My daughter works hard for her grades, in sports, she leaves for school at 7:00 and gets home at 5:30

The hours are pretty typical for Asian schools. My 11 yo Thai niece has about the same schedule and school is only a 5 minute drive away. Other kids that have to take a school bus get up before dawn.

BTW, I never hear any complaints about the hours from her or her friends.

21 posted on 05/04/2013 11:12:19 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: KarlInOhio
I was a child of the 80’s myself! I got decent grades and participated in activities. I enjoyed down time with my friends. It didn't stop me from helping people out, but it was because it was a nice thing to do, not because I had to! And colleges didn't care as long as I had the grades they wanted and didn't bomb the SAT.
22 posted on 05/04/2013 11:14:27 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: expat1000

Well, we like to have family time and not just ship the kids off to school and have them come home and do homework, eat, maybe talk to a friend and go to bed. But that’s basically what it’s become before the community service hours are even added in. If it’s a winter sports night, sometimes she gets home between 10:00 and 11:00 if it’s an away game, and she loves her sports! There are only so many weekends left before college, and between homework, sports and music practice we want to spend time with our daughter. No wonder families aren’t as close these days.


23 posted on 05/04/2013 11:26:06 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: MacMattico

I performed 200 hours of ‘voluntary’ service in high school. Made no difference to the 2 universities I attended. So, why do it?

I spent tie tutoring 1st-2nd grade ‘urban’ youths who said ‘de’ instead of ‘the and worked in a soup kitchen with convicts. I didn’t get anything out of it.


24 posted on 05/05/2013 12:11:29 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: MacMattico

Wait until they are forced*volunteerª at abortion clinics to graduate


25 posted on 05/05/2013 12:19:16 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: svcw

Bravo to your daughter and her awesome parents!!!


26 posted on 05/05/2013 12:22:14 AM PDT by funfan
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To: expat1000

My guess is if you lived with your niece you would hear the complaints. Trust me, my kids ONLY complained in the privacy of home where they could vent the frustration at what is expected these days.

Childhood comes ONCE, the race to the top these days is far worse than 20-30 years ago.

And to the poster who started this thread, this volunteering is mandatory here in IL. Forcing the top tier kids to seek a project they can spent even more time on is another example of unintended consequences...I’ve watched enough of these kids take a completely different attitude of the ‘needy’ after being forced to participate.


27 posted on 05/05/2013 12:30:05 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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My guess is if you lived with your niece you would hear the complaints

Of course I live with her or I wouldn't have posted that.

28 posted on 05/05/2013 12:53:04 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: expat1000

So sorry, didn’t pick up that bit of info in your post.

Enjoy


29 posted on 05/05/2013 1:07:50 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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It’s not all bad. I think its turning a lot of kids into conservatives. Don’t let them do the fun stuff, make them work at things like soup kitchens or events where they give free food to people. My friends kid got a good lesson working at a food give away things. He got to see the dregs of humanity shambling in fat fat and fat, being incredibly rude and disrespectful, demanding help bringing food to their car despite being perfectly fit and when a legitimate old lady with a walker is in obvious need, constantly complaining about obviously fake disabilities , taking more stuff than was offered. I asked him what percentage of the people there were in his opinion legitimate needs, and he estimated less than 10%. He came away from all of these things totally disgusted, especially at the lack of manners and sense of entitlement.


30 posted on 05/05/2013 1:21:18 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: ODC-GIRL

40 hours over 4 years? 10 hours a year? That doesn’t seem to be very difficult requirement to meet.


31 posted on 05/05/2013 2:48:23 AM PDT by O6ret
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To: AlmaKing

You got nothing out of it?
No insights?
No observations?
No lessons learned?


32 posted on 05/05/2013 2:53:21 AM PDT by O6ret
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
.. this volunteering is mandatory ..


             

33 posted on 05/05/2013 3:29:43 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: MacMattico

community service hours were required when I went to school many yrs ago


34 posted on 05/05/2013 3:56:38 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: MacMattico

Consider this. College is rapidly becoming a very bad investment. In time and money. Unless she hopes to be an engineer or MBA or something that will pay.


35 posted on 05/05/2013 3:59:07 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

I wonder how they will feel about “volunteering” when they are older. It’s hard to find people interested in service clubs such as the Lions today. These service clubs are dying out in my area.

Kids just might think they did their time and as far as they’re concerned, nothing more is required of them.


36 posted on 05/05/2013 4:08:14 AM PDT by goldi
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To: MacMattico

Mandated volunteering is just free labor

Children should be able to volunteer for things they support and believe in

And both Dems and GOP support a lot of these EduCommunist programs.... No Child Left Behind...Goals 2000...CommonCore are all bipartisan

Find a college/university that does not push free labor


37 posted on 05/05/2013 4:20:00 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (GOP - Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: MacMattico
we want to spend time with our daughter

Could you get involved as a family in something you all enjoy? Food drive or baby-needs drive at your church? Volunteering at an athletic event? Some sort of project in your neighborhood?

38 posted on 05/05/2013 4:27:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: ODC-GIRL

my youngest son went to the military base and volunteered to help run the air museum....


39 posted on 05/05/2013 4:38:38 AM PDT by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: MacMattico

Wonder if they’d count helping out around the house.

“Clean your room or no college for you”

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40 posted on 05/05/2013 4:44:48 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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“Well, we like to have family time “

Try to find something where you and your daughter can both volunteer. My daughter and I volunteered on a political campaign together. This fit right in with her admissions essay that was also political and supported very conservative views. Not only did she get into a very good school in DC, she received a very healthy university scholarship.


41 posted on 05/05/2013 5:24:02 AM PDT by heylady (“Sometimes I wish I could be a Democrat and then I remember I have a soul.”( Deb))
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To: max americana

I thought that the slavery thing ended in the 1860’s, yes?

When I was in high school, my community service involved working (a lot) while in high school so that I could afford to go to college (and then, there were no “earned income credits, so these were real taxes). So, does paying taxes to help those “less fortunate” count as “community service” these days? Probably not, I’ll bet.

Perhaps this is an organized distraction to keep the heat off of the glaring problem of teen-age unemployment.

I actually did help out recently at a work-sponsored charity event. Your observation was correct - it is a GREAT way to meet women! Unfortunately, I was not in a position to take advantage of this.


42 posted on 05/05/2013 5:44:15 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: dsrtsage

“It’s not all bad. I think its turning a lot of kids into conservatives. Don’t let them do the fun stuff, make them work at things like soup kitchens or events where they give free food to people. My friends kid got a good lesson working at a food give away things. He got to see the dregs of humanity shambling in fat fat and fat, being incredibly rude and disrespectful, demanding help bringing food to their car despite being perfectly fit and when a legitimate old lady with a walker is in obvious need, constantly complaining about obviously fake disabilities , taking more stuff than was offered. I asked him what percentage of the people there were in his opinion legitimate needs, and he estimated less than 10%. He came away from all of these things totally disgusted, especially at the lack of manners and sense of entitlement.”

Good observation - I never considered this. Ill bet it looked a lot different than the cleaned-up, polished version shown on TV.


43 posted on 05/05/2013 5:47:21 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is v?ery late in the day.")
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To: MacMattico

Hi, MacMattico! Yes, the SSL is a pain. My son refers to it as “socialist slave labor”... meaning they work and don’t get paid. Our state (MD) requires 75 hours but everyone “knows” that many colleges want more. I do believe 300 is the magic number to aim for (and some get into the 1,000+ range for scholarships). Of course, this would have been relatively easy if she started in middle school. If she didn’t, there should be pre-approved SSL jobs online or via your school. If not, any nursing home usually would adore high school kids to simply interact with the patients. She will have to get a TB test but one of their nurses will do that if you prefer. Weekends may be a great time for her and she can just assume every Saturday can build up hours. Does you school have its own volunteer club? If so, that serves two purposes: they get the SSL and it can be put down on her college application as belonging to a school club.

Do I agree with it? Absolutely not. However, “it is what it is”. Look at it as simply something to check off and be done with. If your daughter is starting late (meaning Junior year of high school), contact her guidance counselor or the person that approves the SSL. Have either a nice telephone call or request a meeting and ask them to guide her to get the 300 hours. Some hours are simple to get.. others are a PIA. Hope this helps.. Mom


44 posted on 05/05/2013 5:48:34 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: MacMattico

we’ve got the same garbage going on at our school, it is a plot to get people used to working for nothing


45 posted on 05/05/2013 5:53:09 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MamaB

My kid hated school, but tested high. He attended 4 years but did not graduate (one reason was he had mononucleosis in his junior year and once you have had that you are messed up for about a year). He took the GED without “studying” and passed with flying colors.


46 posted on 05/05/2013 5:56:35 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: funfan

You just gave me the idea.............my daughter is going on a ten day mission trip this summer and I am gong to have her submit it to her administration for credit.


47 posted on 05/05/2013 5:58:04 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: O6ret

“You got nothing out of it? No lessons learned”.

I just had to comment on this... yes, they do get something out of it. They get a taste of socialism and I will explain why. When my son (and now daughter) first started to volunteer, they quickly realized that the goal of the school vs what they learned were two different things. The goal is to “help” people, clean up a pond, serve food at a homeless shelter etc.. What they learned was that their time was being mandated to work (with no pay or benefits) to support a non profit organization that the schools okayed. For example, no volunteer hours are permitted for church activities unless it is a soup kitchen that feeds everyone. They learned that since they were non-paid volunteers, they were sometimes asked to do “yucky” things because the paid workers didn’t want to do it. So...yes... they did learn something. They learned that forced labor in the name of “volunteer” work is nothing more than symbolism over substance. If you think that is a bit harsh... think like this> let’s say the government mandated that you volunteered at the same type activities. The list is restricted... no church activities and only not for profit companies. Now, if you don’t do it.. something won’t be granted to you (i.e. your high school degree). From what I hear from a huge group of middle schoolers and high schoolers... they hate the idea.


48 posted on 05/05/2013 6:02:04 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ODC-GIRL

College bound, CPR ready — Law mandates high school grads be prepared for cardiac emergencies

New legislation in North Carolina is requiring all high school students in the state to complete CPR training in order to graduate. Signed by Gov. Beverly Perdue in July, the law passed with 115 of 119 votes. CPR instruction will be rolled into Healthful Living, a required physical education course.

The law states high school students, beginning with the Class of 2015, must be instructed in first aid and emergency care, including CPR and the Heimlich maneuver, using nationally recognized programs such as those from the American Red Cross and American Heart Association.

http://news.nurse.com/article/20121105/SC02/111120033


49 posted on 05/05/2013 6:10:18 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: MacMattico
Also a relative is a gun collector, teaches the hunters safety course and gun safety. Maybe she can assist him and offer self protection classes! The school administrators would faint!

Just label it a "women's self protection class" and the school will have to accept it. Ha!

50 posted on 05/05/2013 6:20:52 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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