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Don't blame Windows 8 for PC slowdown; Apple is hit, too
Computer World ^ | 04/17/2013 | Gregg Keizer

Posted on 04/17/2013 8:30:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Don't blame Windows 8 for plummeting PC sales, a retail analyst said today.

"It wasn't about Windows 8, it was much more about the price challenges facing OEMs," said Stephen Baker of the NPD Group, citing U.S. retail sales data the firm collected in the first quarter. "People want cheap touch devices, and that's where Windows 8 devices can't compete right now."

While IDC and Gartner last week said U.S. PC shipments dropped 13% and 10% in the first quarter compared to the same three-month span in 2012, Baker said retail sales were essentially flat.

And rather than blame Windows 8, as IDC did last week, for the poor numbers, Baker said the slow sales stemmed from a lack of touch hardware at prices consumers would swallow.

Windows 8, launched last October, is Microsoft's radical attempt to revitalize its OS by stressing touch over mouse and keyboard.

Touch-ready PC notebooks have been selling at relatively high price points: Baker said such systems averaged $750 during the quarter, with 75% of those above $500. Most buyers balked at those prices, passing on Windows 8 not because they dislike the operating system but because they wouldn't pay the going rate for hardware that exploited it.

Only about 10% of the Windows 8-equipped notebooks sold in the three-month period were touch-enabled.

Until prices come down, Baker said Windows 8 machines will continue to struggle. Those prices don't have to be cut-rate, but they do have to be lower than they are now.

"The operative thing is that they don't all have to be in the $400 to $500 range," Baker said of touch PCs. Consumers see the value in touch, and are willing to pay more. Just not as much as current price tags.

"They have to come down $100, $150," said Baker.

(Excerpt) Read more at computerworld.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: apple; microsoft; pc; windows8

1 posted on 04/17/2013 8:30:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

APPLE SALES DOWN TOO. From the article:

Bolstering his view that Windows 8 was not the primary reason for the PC industry’s problems was the fact that Apple also experienced flat sales in the U.S. Apple was as affected by competition from cheap touch tablets — including its own iPad and iPad Mini — as were Windows-powered PCs.

“The market is flat, and no one is outperforming the others,” said Baker, including Apple.

NPD’s data on Macs, collected at point-of-sale for both brick-and-mortar stores like Best Buy and online outlets such as Amazon.com, was out of sync with the estimates from IDC and Gartner. The former pegged Mac shipments as down 7.5% for the first quarter, while the latter tagged them as up 7.4%, an irreconcilable 15-point difference.

Apple will reveal its first-quarter sales figures Tuesday, April 23, in a conference call with Wall Street analysts. Meanwhile, Microsoft will release its quarterly revenue data, including that for Windows, on Thursday, April 18.

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2 posted on 04/17/2013 8:31:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Has anybody considered these factors:

1) Most computers purchased within the last five years can still perform admirably today.

New computers are noticeably better, but for the large swath of consumers who are turning to phones and tablets for all their casual computing, the necessity of regularly buying a new computer has become less pronounced. For those who sit in front of a home PC just a handful of times a week, they are probably fine extending the life of a slightly creaky machine.

2) Even if Windows 8 were the most well-received and critically acclaimed operating system ever, PC sales would probably still slump.

Why? Tablets.


3 posted on 04/17/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And, maybe “Cloud” work too?


4 posted on 04/17/2013 8:34:52 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How people are using PC`s is changing. It used to be that desktops were the only game in town to do anything, so sales were brisk.

Now that we have lot more options, it`s expected that what people buy and when they buy them will change. Cellphones have basically taken over most of the multimedia functions for most people, especially the young.

I don`t think this is any crisis, per se.


5 posted on 04/17/2013 8:35:16 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind

It couldn’t possibly be that people just don’t have the money for the newest, fastest, sparkly computer on the market right now and have decided to make do with what they have. Most of the time unless you are a gamer or heavy graphics/number cruncher you really don’t gain much for the expense.


6 posted on 04/17/2013 8:36:38 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I just bought a windows core i7 laptop last night

It is windows 8 and pretty as all heck- a bit of a pain in the a$$ to get used to until I figured out how to click and bring up the desktop.

Fast as all heck and beautiful graphics.

not sure it is relevant to the discussion here- i just wanted to gloat.

7 posted on 04/17/2013 8:36:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows 8 , what ever you call that opening screen, is worthless. It was designed for kids and touch screens or something. Does anyone make a consumer touch screen laptop? Why would you force the main part of the market to suffer through windows 8 if it is designed for a small minority sector of the market?


8 posted on 04/17/2013 8:37:02 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s all temporary. The ipads and iphones sales are being driven by the texting little finger people. Wait until they grow up and those fingers get fatter.


9 posted on 04/17/2013 8:39:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Well, there are MILLIONS of workers in the office who do word processing, spreadsheets, Presentations and light database work.

Can anyone tell me how the heck tablets and smartphones are going to replace what they are so used to?


10 posted on 04/17/2013 8:40:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: mountainlion

Well, there are MILLIONS of workers in the office who do word processing, spreadsheets, Presentations and light database work.

Can anyone tell me how the heck tablets and smartphones are going to replace what they are so used to?


11 posted on 04/17/2013 8:41:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Jonty30

Well, there are MILLIONS of workers in the office who do word processing, spreadsheets, Presentations and light database work.

Can anyone tell me how the heck tablets and smartphones are going to replace what they are so used to?


12 posted on 04/17/2013 8:41:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Most computers purchased within the last five years can still perform admirably today.

Right on for my Macs. I have two G4 mirror door that work great. My main unit is a 2x2.66 Dual-core Intel Xeon with snow Leopard and works great. Haven't seen any need for more bells and whistles so why bother. Using two externals 1T and 500G with three internal 500G.

13 posted on 04/17/2013 8:43:06 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: SeekAndFind
Can anyone tell me how the heck tablets and smartphones are going to replace what they are so used to?

I think the kids in charge have a utopian dream of wearing a know all, do all pair glasses so they can see anything they want and talk to anyone they want to.

14 posted on 04/17/2013 8:47:25 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And many of them are still using older computers, being maintained by IT.

You don’t need the latest computer to do spreadsheets or WP or Powerpoint or Database.

But cellphones have definitely become powerful enough to do just that, if some company wanted to adapt it’s work to the medium. My understanding is that cell phones, powerwise, are only about 5-7 years behind the desktop in terms of capability.


15 posted on 04/17/2013 8:48:32 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: SeekAndFind
NPD’s data on Macs, collected at point-of-sale for both brick-and-mortar stores like Best Buy and online outlets such as Amazon.com, was out of sync with the estimates from IDC and Gartner. The former pegged Mac shipments as down 7.5% for the first quarter, while the latter tagged them as up 7.4%, an irreconcilable 15-point difference.

Since the iphone 5 release was such a yawner, it would be a surprise if apple sales are up. Love my $100 tablet !

16 posted on 04/17/2013 8:51:06 AM PDT by quimby
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To: SeekAndFind

How come nobody wants to talk about the Obama Depression?


17 posted on 04/17/2013 8:53:25 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: SeekAndFind
Not because of W8?

I can't really be the only person in the world holding off getting a new PC until they either "fix" W8, replace it, or someone starts selling PC's with W7 and not charging major bucks to remove W8 from it.

I'm seriously looking into just building my own (with W7).

18 posted on 04/17/2013 8:54:54 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't blame Windows 8 for plummeting PC sales

Why not? Windows 8 sux and we all know it.

19 posted on 04/17/2013 8:58:16 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: SeekAndFind
Can anyone tell me how the heck tablets and smartphones are going to replace what they are so used to?

My cheap tablet has usb input (mouse, keyboard, usb disk) and Hdmi output (monitor). A friend has his tablet setup just so as a desktop system.

20 posted on 04/17/2013 9:01:25 AM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby

RE: A friend has his tablet setup just so as a desktop system.

He must really love working on small screens...


21 posted on 04/17/2013 9:03:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m with you. Stupid, stupid move on Microsoft’s part making PC’s with Win8. It is not business friendly. Win8 is a tablet design, not a PC design. They lost their marbles on this one.


22 posted on 04/17/2013 9:05:14 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: SeekAndFind
He must really love working on small screens...

Not at all, the hdmi output connects to a 21" monitor.

23 posted on 04/17/2013 9:09:41 AM PDT by quimby
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To: Mr. K

Last month I bought a Vaio, spending almost $1500 for the tricked out laptop. Took it home, loaded up Office and Adobe Suite and boom; it froze up. Nothing would un-stick it.

Went back and bought a MacBook Pro for a little more $$. No problems.

You’re lucky.


24 posted on 04/17/2013 9:11:09 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberal: A person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
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To: quimby

RE; the hdmi output connects to a 21” monitor.

Well there you go, other than the mouse, it’s essentially a smaller version of a laptop.


25 posted on 04/17/2013 9:13:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: girlscout
Who will be added to this list?

26 posted on 04/17/2013 9:16:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the economy stupid!


27 posted on 04/17/2013 9:23:05 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind
Well there you go, other than the mouse, it’s essentially a smaller version of a laptop.

LOL, The tablet has a usb port and he plugs in a usbmouse, usb keyboard, and usb harddrive, in addition to a 21" monitor. I wouldn't want to edit video, but for word processing and outher lite tasks it works well.

28 posted on 04/17/2013 9:24:33 AM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby

That’s what I said, he just converted his tablet to a laptop.


29 posted on 04/17/2013 9:26:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: girlscout

How about market saturation?

Maybe the government will mandate a change that makes all the hundreds of millions of perfectly usable PCs obsolete as was done with TV ?

Will obama offer “cash for clunker computers” so millions of usable PCs are scrapped to benefit Chinese factories and American resellers?

The non-graphic email needs were met with computers of the 80s.

I seriously think few PC users tap a tenth of the current machines potential yet everyone is forced to continually “upgrade” to keep the gamers,show-off programmers, and advertisers happy.

If it wasn’t for all the ad spyware,pushware ads,and other crap my old iMac Lime or Windows 98SE or Me would do fine for my internet use and ,I strongly suspect,that of many others.Certainly MacOS 10.4 Tiger with multiple participant video conferencing built in should suffice!. We had video clips then ;HTML5 isn’t needed just to see a video of someone reading the news or anything else.It is just constant,forced,planned, and totally UNNECCESSARY obsolescence designed to keep the treadmill going.

If these improvements actually made things better and easier I would be much happier.I have had to retire a number of PCs from internet use only because the websites stopped supporting the browser that would run on the OS of those machines,yet what I see on those websites is practically the same as before.


30 posted on 04/17/2013 9:30:37 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham
If these improvements actually made things better and easier I would be much happier.I have had to retire a number of PCs from internet use only because the websites stopped supporting the browser that would run on the OS of those machines,yet what I see on those websites is practically the same as before.

Sounds like a job for linux !

31 posted on 04/17/2013 9:36:54 AM PDT by quimby
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To: mountainlion

I just don’t understand why anyone would want a touch screen. Your screen needs to be clean but won’t be if you’re eating a jelly donut or cheetos.


32 posted on 04/17/2013 9:37:24 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

A capable tablet with good graphics and a usb port sounds eminently sensible as an everything PC. Use it mobile in tablet form and then stick it into a dock so you then use a fullsize keyboard ,mouse,and large screen monitor.What’s not to like? You don’t have to copy data back and forth,or learn the quirks of two PCs.


33 posted on 04/17/2013 9:37:51 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: girlscout
Why not? Windows 8 sux and we all know it.

Windows 8 is faster and more efficient than Windows 7. Problem is Microsoft put that terrible interface on top of it. There are simple ways to make the interface like Windows 7, but most people don't want to bother.

34 posted on 04/17/2013 9:48:49 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

I’ve already made mine like Windows 7 and I still don’t like it.


35 posted on 04/17/2013 9:54:38 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout
Stupid, stupid move on Microsoft’s part making PC’s with Win8. It is not business friendly. Win8 is a tablet design, not a PC design.

Win 8 works fine for me. what is it specifically you don't like ?

36 posted on 04/17/2013 10:05:32 AM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby
No 'Start' button so you can easily go to 'My Computer', 'Control Panel', 'Accessories', etc. is one of my biggest gripes.
37 posted on 04/17/2013 10:18:49 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout

Where’s the “Any Key”? It says “To Start Press Any Key.”


38 posted on 04/17/2013 10:20:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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39 posted on 04/17/2013 10:22:33 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: dfwgator

When you purchase a new computer you should be able to come home, or to the office, pull it out of the box, connect it and start using it. There shouldn’t be a learning curve added into the mix. That is not the case with Win 8 and if it makes people happier to mock me then go right ahead. That seems to be the way of the world these days.


40 posted on 04/17/2013 10:43:54 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout
No 'Start' button so you can easily go to 'My Computer', 'Control Panel', 'Accessories', etc. is one of my biggest gripes.

Place your mouse pointer over the old start button area and right click.

41 posted on 04/17/2013 10:45:00 AM PDT by quimby
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To: quimby

Thank you. I’ll give that a try.


42 posted on 04/17/2013 10:54:49 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: SeekAndFind

Well also the study puts tablets in another category. So tablet devices with win8 makes it look worse for desktop/laptops even though they are selling win8/RT.


43 posted on 04/17/2013 12:47:10 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Mr. K
It is windows 8 and pretty as all heck- a bit of a pain in the a$$ to get used to until I figured out how to click and bring up the desktop.

How do you do that? What do you click?

44 posted on 04/17/2013 1:13:32 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So I wonder what is slowing sales?

I know it can’t be our slowing economy, of course!

</sarcasm>


45 posted on 04/17/2013 1:14:09 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: girlscout

Totally agree. I bought a new laptop almost 2 months ago and haven’t used it much because Win8 has a learning curve attached to it. Bad enough I have to learn it but my wife wants me to teach her as well.

I’ve almost tossed it out the window numerous times.


46 posted on 04/17/2013 1:18:24 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: hattend
How do you do that? What do you click?

A couple keyboard shortcuts that might help. From any screen, typing windowskey-D together puts you on the desktop from any "Metro App" screen.

Also, at the initial "Metro" screen, if you drag the desktop tile to the upper left position using your mouse, you can get to the desktop by simply pressing the enter key.

47 posted on 04/17/2013 7:01:47 PM PDT by quimby
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To: hattend

ITs very intuitive! (NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

you move your mouse all the way to a corner and various windows appear (including somethign call a ‘charms’ window)

The lower left corner has a Startup window that appears, and on that startup window i found a descktop button (lower left area)

When you are on the startup window you can hit escaep 9sometimes) and it takes you to the desktop

the START button is gone along with all the old menu option, but you can download free shareware that can provide the same functionality- I am trying one right now and will report back whichever once works best.


48 posted on 04/18/2013 5:45:23 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Moonman62

>>>>>Windows 8 is faster and more efficient than Windows 7. Problem is Microsoft put that terrible interface on top of it. There are simple ways to make the interface like Windows 7, but most people don’t want to bother.<<<<<

+1


49 posted on 04/18/2013 5:15:58 PM PDT by DTA
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To: SeekAndFind

I am in the market right now for a relatively inexpensive laptop.

I will NOT buy anything with Windows 8 on it, though.


50 posted on 04/19/2013 12:10:23 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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