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QUESTION: Archery Takedown Bow
Apr 2 2013 | Yosemitest

Posted on 04/02/2013 10:46:28 AM PDT by Yosemitest



TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Outdoors; Sports
KEYWORDS: arrow; bow; compoundbow; takedownbow
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I've read that the Spectre Compact Take-down Survival Bow and Arrow Set is a cheap toy, and very poor preformance.
1 posted on 04/02/2013 10:46:28 AM PDT by Yosemitest
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>>What takedown Bow would you recommend for someone who is right handed<<

I don’t think it matters if the target is left- or right-handed...


2 posted on 04/02/2013 10:48:42 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Yosemitest

There is no traditional (non compound) bow with which somebody with shoulder problems could kill deer. A compound bow set at 45 - 55 lbs could kill deer if your friend could pull it.


3 posted on 04/02/2013 10:50:02 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Yosemitest

A mechanical bow pulls hard at first then lets off to a lighter pull while you aim it. This is done with cams and wheels. Some are narrow enough that you might change your mind about the take down idea.


4 posted on 04/02/2013 10:50:47 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: freedumb2003
My focus was more on his weak shoulder joint, due to a military accident.
He's got a little better than 50% strength due to that injury.
5 posted on 04/02/2013 10:50:52 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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you looked into crossbows?


6 posted on 04/02/2013 10:51:54 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Yosemitest

>>My focus was more on his weak shoulder joint, due to a military accident.
He’s got a little better than 50% strength due to that injury.<<

Not very sporting of you. Give him a head start at least!


7 posted on 04/02/2013 10:52:07 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Yosemitest

I am SOOO sorry — but you walked into that! ;)

I think it is great you are helping a Soldier out and you have certainly come to the right forum.

My brother is a bow enthusiast and I’ll ping him in RL and try to get back to you...


8 posted on 04/02/2013 10:53:44 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (LBJ declared war on poverty and lost. Barack Obama declared war on prosperity and won. /csmusaret)
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To: Yosemitest
Could a Crossbow come into this conversation?
9 posted on 04/02/2013 10:54:19 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two! Hi MI# !)
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To: varmintman
Thanks. I haven't used a bow since I was a teenager, and I think he could handle 45-55 lbs, but I don't know where that is in range of today's technology and limits.
Any particular brand you recommend, or it does it matter?
10 posted on 04/02/2013 10:54:52 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: freedumb2003
Yeah, I did.
Thanks.
11 posted on 04/02/2013 10:55:48 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I am a lady with some shoulder tendon damage, but I can use a compound bow. A lot of them either have a gas cartridge to rewind themselves or have a mechanical rewinding arrangement such that you can stand on them and easily pull them up. And you can certainly kill a big buck.


12 posted on 04/02/2013 10:55:48 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Yosemitest

Ping for when I get back from the ranch and I’ll help you out.


13 posted on 04/02/2013 10:55:55 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: moose07

From what I’ve seen about crossbows, it would defeat his backpacking desires, and he’s concerned about weight, and unnecessary features he wouldn’t really use.


14 posted on 04/02/2013 10:57:26 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Okay ,fair enough.
But do have a look before totally discounting them, my crossbow and re-curve weigh almost the same.
15 posted on 04/02/2013 11:00:06 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two! Hi MI# !)
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To: ottbmare
What bow would you recommend?
I know nothing about brands, types, (although I do understand the difference between compound and recurve) and I know you can get into the silly prices real fast.
I think he likes recurve, but I'm not sure, and if he can't kill with it, with his weak should, he'd probably be disappointed in the long run.
16 posted on 04/02/2013 11:01:05 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: varmintman

Native americans average bow weight was in the 35 to 40 pound range.


17 posted on 04/02/2013 11:01:29 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Yosemitest

>>What takedown Bow would you recommend for someone who is right handed, but due to shoulder rotator-cup damage, doesn’t have full strength in his right arm?

I would think that a bow would be the worst thing in the world for a person with these limitations. The action of pulling back the string would require extensive flexing of the rotator cuff and then keep it under tension as you hold and aim.


18 posted on 04/02/2013 11:02:33 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: moose07

But wouldn’t a crossbow take up too much room in his pack over a one week hiking or camping excursion?


19 posted on 04/02/2013 11:02:52 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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If you have shoulder problems, I would recommend a crossbow. They’re equally quiet, equally lethal to game, and much more manageable.


20 posted on 04/02/2013 11:04:39 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Yosemitest

I purchased a Samick Sage a few years ago and have been happy with it.


21 posted on 04/02/2013 11:05:25 AM PDT by saltlick
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i assume you are looking at a compound bow with substantial let off. a traditional bow at even 45 pounds is going to be a tough shoot.

i think the compound bows come take down but i have not used one.

generally a modern bow with eliptical cams isnt that hard to draw and hold even at 60 pounds or so.

getting close enough to hit something, and doing so. thats another story.


22 posted on 04/02/2013 11:06:06 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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He might be better able to manage it if he could learn to shoot with his off arm (i.e. if he’s right-handed, learn to shoot left-handed). Holding an arm straight is much easier on the rotator cuff than pulling a bow.


23 posted on 04/02/2013 11:06:45 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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I’ll take a look. Which one would you recommend?


24 posted on 04/02/2013 11:07:52 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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Get a compact compound. And if you can kill a four-legged 200# deer with it, two-legged varmints, well, you get the point.

They got very sharp points, I might add. Razor sharp. And quiet.


25 posted on 04/02/2013 11:08:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: freedumb2003

crossbow


26 posted on 04/02/2013 11:10:11 AM PDT by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: saltlick
Is this what you're talking about?
27 posted on 04/02/2013 11:10:30 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Travis McGee
Do you have a particular model in mind?
I have no experience what-so-ever.
28 posted on 04/02/2013 11:11:35 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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I think the Samick Sage is probably the best value in a take down recurve. There are variable weight replacement limbs that go from 25lb to 60lb draw weights. A 55# bow is considered the best practical hunting weight in north America but quite a few dedicated target shooters never go over 25#. I wouldn't go under 40# for medium size game like deer.

Your best bet is to bring your friend to an Archery shop. There are some important considerations to fitting a bow and they are accentuated with someone with strength or flexibility problems.

29 posted on 04/02/2013 11:12:56 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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I’ll take a look. Which one would you recommend?

I'm not conversant enough with crossbows to be able to say, but I could probably scare up a recommendation or two. Your budget is probably going to have to start at around $400 for a good one, I think.

30 posted on 04/02/2013 11:14:30 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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Not if wrapped up and mounted on the outside of the pack.
It is something to discuss with your friend.
I've always found them must easier to use when 'things' are hurting.
31 posted on 04/02/2013 11:14:42 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two! Hi MI# !)
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To: JoeProBono

Ping!!


32 posted on 04/02/2013 11:17:44 AM PDT by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. liberals and logic: Never confuse the two! Hi MI# !)
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To: Durus
What about a Bear 76er Recurve Custom Take Down Bow?
It's decribed as I don't know what "a pin" means in terms of archery.
Is there much difference in older technology, versus today's tech?
33 posted on 04/02/2013 11:18:41 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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I took my first deer with a re-curve bow that was #40 when I was 14. It’s all about shot placement with a bow, far more important than with a rifle imho. Poundage is nice, but practice, practice, practice is the key to a humane bow hunt.

I don’t know about one that is take-down, but an old wood Bear like the one I still have is light as a feather, and not all that long either.


34 posted on 04/02/2013 11:20:04 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: moose07
That makes sense.
I guess I have a lot to learn, and a lot to talk to him about.
35 posted on 04/02/2013 11:20:15 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Bad shoulder? Crossbow.


36 posted on 04/02/2013 11:21:50 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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Doesn’t a longer bow give you more power, say 4 ft compared to 5 ft?


37 posted on 04/02/2013 11:21:52 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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Daryl Dixon recommends the Horton Scout HD 125.

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38 posted on 04/02/2013 11:23:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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That's my baby. Love the hell out of it.
39 posted on 04/02/2013 11:25:17 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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Budget is a concern

High Quality
http://www.beararcheryproducts.com/bows/traditional/take-down

20~29 Lb draw strength
http://www.beararcheryproducts.com/bows/youth/bullseye
http://www.amazon.com/Bear-Archery-Bullseye-Right-Hand/dp/B002BS5FD6

I have used the later for training of Girl Scouts. Not a hunting weapon but decent quality that will handle some abuse for target shooting.


40 posted on 04/02/2013 11:26:29 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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That is a toy.

Having rotator cuff surgery 6 months ago and still recovering, I can’t think if a bow that would work.

It isn’t just the strength to pull one needs, it’s also the ability to steady the shooting plane from your back through your hands.

I shot bow all my life but, can’t conceive how I could even attempt with either right hand or left. I can shoot both but, ain’t heappening.

I’ve been thinking about a crossbow but, they are mostly verbotten


41 posted on 04/02/2013 11:37:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: cripplecreek
I found a Horton Scout 125 Crossbow for $299.95.
But that's a new one, and a little more than I was hoping to spend.
But it's a thought.
42 posted on 04/02/2013 11:41:06 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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An older bow is more likely to be heavier than a modern bow. It is more important than you might think. Another important consideration with old fiberglass limbs is that they weaken over time and deform inconsistently. This isn't always true of course but can be.

Draw length isn't something that be be toyed with. Have your friend get measured. You can pick up some bad habits shooting bows that are undersized or over sized.

43 posted on 04/02/2013 11:41:14 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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At 50% it isn’t going to happen.

It takes a fair amount of strength on a takedown or compound at various points throughout the pull.

Even if he could do it, he is going to pay for doing it. He probably knows what happens if he exerts too much on that arm.

I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t have to.

Heck, I won’t hike, snowboard, kayak, play baseball, tennis, nothing. Not worth the aggravation.

I out a bunch of stuff in storage Sunday and I’m oaying for it today in the front and back of my shoulder. As well, decreased range of movement due to pain.


44 posted on 04/02/2013 11:43:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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My friend took almost 2 years of therapy and exercise before he got comfortable with about half strength.


45 posted on 04/02/2013 11:43:25 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Durus

Okay, thanks for the heads-up.


46 posted on 04/02/2013 11:44:26 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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It's nearly impossible to buy a compound bow for somebody other than yourself. The most critical thing is draw length, which absolutely has to be right. Once you had an idea of draw length and poundage, you could look for a bow on ebay.

The big innovation in archery over the past ten years or so has been the High Country carbon arrows.

47 posted on 04/02/2013 11:45:34 AM PDT by varmintman
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Your friend needs to find someone with several style bows and see what he can comfortably shoot.

On a heavy weight bow, many archers partially anchor the string then push the bow away from the body to tension the bow. Your extensor muscles are stronger than the flexors in that part of the body. This style may help him, and works great with a compound bow. Then holding the string prior to the shot on a compound is easy due to the weight letoff.

45 years ago I shot left handed. Some time during thr interim I switched to right handed, but can still switch hit if needed, Your friend might see if left handed archery works.

Either way, 50 to 55 pound bow is plenty, either recurve or compound. Both can be had in take down, though the recurve is found more often.


48 posted on 04/02/2013 11:46:08 AM PDT by wrench
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Really?

I was not aware of this.

I’ll look em up later.

If I can something to wind it up to full load, I might be able to get off some shots before calling it a day.

Thnx


49 posted on 04/02/2013 11:46:10 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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He says he's tired of sitting on his butt and wants to do some long hiking, backpacking before his knees won't let him.
He thought a bow might be fun and draw less attention than a hiking rifle or a handgun.
50 posted on 04/02/2013 11:47:00 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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