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FBI attempts to explain UFO memo in vault
yahoo.com ^ | Mar 27, 2013 | Dylan Stableford

Posted on 03/29/2013 3:22:44 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has broken its silence on the most popular file in its digital vault. The one-page memo, dated March 22, 1950, was addressed to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover from Guy Hottel, then head of the FBI's Washington, D.C., field office. It relayed some information from an informant. The subject: FLYING SAUCERS INFORMATION CONCERNING "An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico," Hottel writes. "They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.” No further evaluation was attempted, Hottel reports. The file, published by the vault in April 2011 under the Freedom of Information Act, has been viewed nearly a million times, the FBI said, in part because media outlets "erroneously reported that the FBI had posted proof of a UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico [in 1947] and the recovery of wreckage and alien corpses."

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TOPICS: UFO's; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: brakinghard; conspiracynews; fbi; fbivault; hottelmemo; mystery; newmexico; planecrash; roswell; transparency; ufo
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"A bizarre memo that appears to prove that aliens did land in New Mexico prior to 1950 has been published by the FBI," the Daily Mail declared in 2011. "The Hottel memo does not prove the existence of UFOs," the bureau said in a blog post on its website this week. "It is simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated." And the Hottel memo isn’t new, the FBI said. "It was first released publicly in the late 1970s and had been posted on the FBI website for several years prior to the launch of the Vault." Besides, the FBI notes, the Hottel memo is dated nearly three years after the infamous events in Roswell in July 1947. "There is no reason to believe the two are connected," the bureau said: The FBI has only occasionally been involved in investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents—the request of the Air Force—verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it.
1 posted on 03/29/2013 3:22:46 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...
Pinging the unidentified aerial phenomena list (ufo) ..

May 8, 1950-This is one of the most famous UFO pictures ever taken.
Photographed by Paul Trent, and first witnessed by his wife.
They were published in a local newspaper in McMinnville, Oregon.
Shortly thereafter, the Trent photos were published in Life magazine edition of June 26, 1950.
The rest is history.
(These photos have been deemed authentic for over 50 years. The analysis of the McMinnville photos by Dr.Bruce Maccabee PhD, can be found here = http://brumac.8k.com/trent1.html )

Those interested in the uap/ufo ping list, please Freepmail
LasVegasDave (freepmail works best)
if you would like your name added to the list.
( Approximately 200+ freepers are currently on the ping list ).

2 posted on 03/29/2013 3:23:39 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Link to the actual document

So Hoover's curiosity wasn't picqued by this?

3 posted on 03/29/2013 3:25:17 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it..

IMO: the files were most likely moved in their "BLACK VAULT"!

4 posted on 03/29/2013 3:28:07 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Las Vegas Dave

According to the memo high power radar is enough to bring these suckers down...get on the horn and let everyone know we got those pint sized aliens on the run!


5 posted on 03/29/2013 3:34:56 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Hasnt anybody ever heard of midget manned weather balloons? /s


6 posted on 03/29/2013 3:50:55 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Las Vegas Dave

“We have just discovered an important note from space. The martians plan to throw a dance for all the human race.” Bubba hmm meh meh bubba hmmm meh meh bubba hmm bubba hmm bubba hmm meh meh......


7 posted on 03/29/2013 3:57:47 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Pics, or it didn’t happen.


8 posted on 03/29/2013 4:00:40 AM PDT by ZX12R
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To: HerrBlucher
Save the first dance for Me!


9 posted on 03/29/2013 4:04:41 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Timber Rattler

I knew it!


10 posted on 03/29/2013 4:16:31 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
The are here "To Serve Man".
11 posted on 03/29/2013 4:21:45 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thx for the ping!!!
Great find.


12 posted on 03/29/2013 4:25:42 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: DouglasKC
get on the horn and let everyone know we got those pint sized aliens on the run!

What you talk'n bout,Douglas?


13 posted on 03/29/2013 4:35:58 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Bon mots

Some of the Trent photos can be seen here:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=trent+2+ufo+photo&go=&qs=ds&form=QBIR


14 posted on 03/29/2013 4:36:01 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Nobody ever believes anything like UFO’s unless they see them with their own eyes. I saw one back in the early 80’s in Wash. State and it scared the crap out of me.


15 posted on 03/29/2013 4:37:52 AM PDT by coconut47
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To: Young Werther

Can you dance Locomotion and the Hully Gully too?


16 posted on 03/29/2013 4:41:22 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

17 posted on 03/29/2013 4:44:12 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: HerrBlucher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGLNtZ0rEg


18 posted on 03/29/2013 4:45:44 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

The Stroll? Squaresville man. The Hully Gully rocks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMsJfozZ9f0


19 posted on 03/29/2013 5:07:38 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: HerrBlucher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQBKpV9emKc


20 posted on 03/29/2013 5:18:44 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBEwqQU5s_0


21 posted on 03/29/2013 5:30:08 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: HerrBlucher
Papa ooh mir mir papa ooh mir mir papa ooh mir mir papa ooh mir mir

Ee-ee-ee ee-ee

Klaatu barada nikto

22 posted on 03/29/2013 5:45:06 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: mc5cents

Papa oom mow mow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQrQjNNZCAo


23 posted on 03/29/2013 5:50:18 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: coconut47

I saw one in the early 2000s and it freaked me out too.


24 posted on 03/29/2013 5:56:18 AM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: Timber Rattler

I’ve read of a Hoover memo about wanting to get a look at recovered UFOs that the army had.


25 posted on 03/29/2013 6:06:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: BigCinBigD
For what its worth, I was a Maintenance Technician on the NORAD SAGE Computer System in Nov 1975 the nights that we had multiple UFO incidents at the 24th NORAD region in Gt Falls Montana. The incident I was witness to is described here:

Montana UFOs

These were very interesting nights that I will never forget and I was right there in the Blue Room when these "sightings" occurred and was listening to the controllers talking to the pilots (of the scrambled F-106's).

26 posted on 03/29/2013 6:37:22 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (Welcome to the new America.)
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To: coconut47

I saw one that freaked me out too, though I still highly doubt it was Alien. UFO, for sure, Alien? ehhh...


27 posted on 03/29/2013 6:44:43 AM PDT by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Pictures of flying saucers declined significantly after hub caps went out of fashion.


28 posted on 03/29/2013 6:45:14 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Puppage

29 posted on 03/29/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 ("as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.")
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To: Kirkwood

Indeed that’s when they came up with lights in the night sky gig.


30 posted on 03/29/2013 6:59:13 AM PDT by Vaduz
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Most of the Roswell keyword with a UFO connection, newest to oldest:
31 posted on 03/29/2013 7:18:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I won’t go into detail here, but I once witnessed something in the sky that isn’t possible with current human technology. Thankfully, a second person was with me, who also witnessed it.

It bothered me so bad, that I got in touch with MUFON to find out if they had any similar reports on file. The investigator told me that mine was the only report of its type.

I still have no explanation for what I saw.


32 posted on 03/29/2013 8:07:50 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JaguarXKE

Anyone who thinks we are alone, needs their head examined.


33 posted on 03/29/2013 8:46:13 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: Windflier

I don’t get this “freaked me out” attitude/emotion on many of the posts on this thread.

I saw something, found it interesting, told everyone I could. . .never scared me, freaked me out, nothing. Just aroused my curiosity.


34 posted on 03/29/2013 8:58:29 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Young Werther

Queen of Outer Space?

....meet the man from Space


35 posted on 03/29/2013 9:36:59 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Puppage
Kazoo?

meet Ozmodiar

Meet Francisco Cervelli


36 posted on 03/29/2013 9:47:36 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Hulka
I don’t get this “freaked me out” attitude/emotion on many of the posts on this thread.

Seeing something totally out of your experience will sometimes do that.

Back in the '70s I worked at Camp Pendleton and was walking over to the PXs garden section when I happened to look up. It was one of those typical California days with not a cloud in sight and the bluest of skies.

Right smack in the middle was this coal-black object that looked like an "H" lying on it side, with the upper bar a bit shorter. It just hung there, motionless, looking like someone had drawn that object in the sky with India ink.

The hair on the back of my neck started to raise as I had a major WTF moment - TOTALLY motionless and ALIEN. In a few seconds it started to change color and went a bright silver. It was one of those twin-tailed Beechcraft airplanes the military had that carried a small radar dome on top - hence the shorter bar on that horizontal "H". I must have caught sight of it just as it made a wide sweeping banking turn, giving that illusion of motionless, and a trick of light turned it black.

That moment gave me some idea of what people experience when they see a UFO, and from that point on, always sympathized with them in their moment of uncertainty or fear.

37 posted on 03/29/2013 10:04:15 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Vaquero
Howsa bout MISS UNIVERSE! Look familiar?

An

U nbelievable

F emale

O bservation

38 posted on 03/29/2013 10:06:21 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: DouglasKC

LOL


39 posted on 03/29/2013 11:09:54 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: Hulka
I don’t get this “freaked me out” attitude/emotion on many of the posts on this thread.

I doubt that many of those posting were really 'freaked out' by their sightings.

It's a kind of political correctness in this community. You're not supposed to believe in this stuff, or even attempt to have a rational conversation about such things on FR. Doesn't matter whether you've seen it with your own eyes or not.

40 posted on 03/29/2013 1:05:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Vaquero; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; aruanan; ..

Jackie Gleason - spaceman??

Jackie Gleason said to his 2nd wife that Richard Nixon took him Homestead Air Force Base to show him bodies of beings from elsewhere, see the copy/paste story below (and also google the event if you wish):

http://www.presidentialufo.com/richard-nixon/87-jackie-gleasons-wife-talks

Jackie Gleason’s Wife Talks

Written by Grant Cameron

Saturday, 01 August 2009 06:18

In the Nixon UFO section reader’s can read about the story of how Jackie Gleason gained access to Homestead Air Force Base through President Nixon, and there viewed dead alien bodies.

The accuracy of the story has always been questioned, because Gleason never spoke openly about the event. The original person telling the Gleason/alien body story was Beverly Gleason, Gleason’s second wife from 1970-1974.

Now after many years of silence Mrs. Gleason speaks out again to confirm the story she first told many years ago. The latest interview is done by Kenny Young.

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 09:09:01 -0400
From: Kenny Young
Subject: CONTACTED BEVERLY GLEASON (McKITTRICK)

INTERVIEW with BEVERLY GLEASON

This morning I spoke by telephone with Beverly Gleason McKittrick, an ex-wife of the late comedian Jackie Gleason. I explained to her that I was interested in the progress of her book and if she could talk about Jackie Gleason’s claim of seeing alien bodies at Homestead Air Force Base in Florida.

She said that the book never came out as she had ‘stopped writing’ of it. She said she was ‘glad to get out of it’ as Jackie Gleason did not seem pleased with her quoting him on the aliens in Florida. She said that there was not much additional to tell as the whole story regarding Jackie Gleason and the aliens, as far as she knew, had already been printed anyway.

“Esquire Magazine interviewed me after our separation,” she said, “and I talked about how Jackie told me about seeing dead aliens in Florida. I think it was sometime in ‘74 when this happened. When I said that it was because he told me.”

“After the interview was published, Jackie was upset about the story being public. He called and said he didn’t appreciate me giving the interview, and that’s when I started to wonder if the story was ‘iffy.’

“The reason I became ‘iffy’ about it is because I wondered if it was really true, I mean... I believed it the whole time. I bought the story hook, line and sinker. But if it was true, then why did he get so upset about it?”

Beverly went on to explain how Jackie came to tell her of his experience.

“Jackie had been out very late one night I did not know who he was with,” She said. “He told me where he was that same evening, he said he had been in South Florida with President Nixon to see some dead aliens there and I believed him, he was very convincing.

“He and Nixon were in contact quite a bit and I’m not sure how that was arranged, but it seems that their meetings were set up by an associate of Nixon’s. After he got back, he was very pleased he had an opportunity to see the dead little men in cases, he explained to me what they looked like and he was still talking about it the next day.”

Beverly explained that during her interview with Esquire Magazine, she made the statement about Gleason’s claim to see dead aliens and afterward things between her and Jackie turned sour.

“We were on the verge of divorce, but everything was okay until it came out in Esquire,” she said.

She informed that Gleason never did deny the story.

Regarding her announced intention to write a book, Beverly again said that she abandoned the project due in large part to Gleason’s objection to her comments about him seeing the aliens.

“I just made that one statement about the UFOs and it appeared in Esquire and I guess a few other places and he didn’t like that and I thought, I just can’t go through with this. Let him live his life. So I never wrote the book.”

I thanked Beverly for talking with me and asked if it would be okay for me to call her back later if I had more questions, she agreed. That concluded our conversation.

Special thanks to Donnie Blessing, Grant Cameron and David Rudiak for their help in providing contact information for Beverly Gleason McKittrick.

Filed,
JULY 9, 2003
KENNY YOUNG


41 posted on 03/30/2013 2:22:59 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Windflier

Strange how the detractors are always all over these posts like stink on sh...well you get the idea. ;)


42 posted on 03/30/2013 7:48:51 AM PDT by The SISU kid (I think they taste like Barbie dolls smell.)
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To: The SISU kid
Strange how the detractors are always all over these posts like stink on sh...

Most of the noise isn't even from detractors, but jokers. It's an easy subject to ridicule because it's so far beyond most people's experience/reality. It happens with any topic that's sufficiently outside the ordinary.

The incredulous reactions of others can be mighty depressing for those who've personally experienced such things.

43 posted on 03/30/2013 9:09:14 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

I’ve seen references to Jackie Gleason seeing ‘something’, but I always thought it was a UFO sighting. The Nixon angle and dead aliens is even stranger.


44 posted on 03/30/2013 9:14:56 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows; Daffynition; JoeProBono

ALIENS

45 posted on 03/30/2013 9:45:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: JoeProBono

Was that faxed from a Kinko’s near Waco?


46 posted on 03/30/2013 9:48:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Las Vegas Dave; Revolting cat!
In the Nixon UFO section reader’s can read about the story of how Jackie Gleason gained access to Homestead Air Force Base through President Nixon, and there viewed dead alien bodies.

The accuracy of the story has always been questioned, because Gleason never spoke openly about the event. The original person telling the Gleason/alien body story was Beverly Gleason, Gleason’s second wife from 1970-1974.

Now after many years of silence Mrs. Gleason speaks out again to confirm the story she first told many years ago. The latest interview is done by Kenny Young.

Some guys will tell any kind of story to get around having to explain to their wife that they are attending a Friar's Club stag dinner.

47 posted on 03/30/2013 9:53:16 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: a fool in paradise

48 posted on 03/30/2013 9:54:22 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Windflier; JoeProBono
The Nixon angle and dead aliens is even stranger.


49 posted on 03/30/2013 9:55:02 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
That would be like Barack Obama taking Eddie Murphy for an inside tour of the real Area 51. Truth? Fiction? Who the hell knows!!! {^)
50 posted on 03/30/2013 1:52:33 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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