well, Webber AND Rossberg got the "Team Orders", again... it's gonna be a loooong two weeks till China for those Teams and McLaren managed to step on it's crank today... AGAIN!!!
Posted on 03/22/2013 3:21:51 PM PDT by Chode
on the sport front .... ... Webber (who is a pretty classy guy) continues to be treated like the red haired step child by Red Bull ... just as Rossberg is at MB ... Hamilton lacks the generosity of Michael who was screwed by MB in much the same way Ferrari threw him under the bus ... Massa will be put in the box by the prancing horse before the season is over too
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I think Diffey will do F1 when there is no conflicting Indycar event.
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well, Webber AND Rossberg got the "Team Orders", again... it's gonna be a loooong two weeks till China for those Teams and McLaren managed to step on it's crank today... AGAIN!!!
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 56 1:38:56.681 1 25
2 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 56 +4.2 secs 5 18
3 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 56 +12.1 secs 4 15
4 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 56 +12.6 secs 6 12
5 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 56 +25.6 secs 2 10
6 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 56 +35.5 secs 11 8
7 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 56 +48.4 secs 10 6
8 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 56 +53.0 secs 12 4
9 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 56 +72.3 secs 9 2
10 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 56 +87.1 secs 17 1
11 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 56 +88.6 secs 18
12 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 55 +1 Lap 14
13 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 55 +1 Lap 19
14 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 55 +1 Lap 20
15 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 55 +1 Lap 22
16 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 54 +2 Laps 21
17 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 53 Wheel 7
18 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 51 Exhaust 13
Ret 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 45 KERS 16
Ret 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 27 Wheel nut 8
Ret 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 22 Wheel nut 15
Ret 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1 Accident 3
Weber was po’d at the after race interviews......completely called out vettel,.......gonna be interesting
100%, the Podium picture on BBC/F1 says it all...
Heck, do we(!) want to see a bunch of bureaucrats with engines strapped to their backs or RACE DRIVERS? Vettel blowing by Webber will be long remembered (certainly by Webber ;-)). Rosberg trailing along behind Hamilton...not so much. Team orders may be legitimate, but screw ‘em anyway. I’m not a team owner, so I couldn’t care less.
Senna and Prost raced each other to ‘the devil may care’ as well. That’s why we remember them and hold them in esteem.
P*ssy drivers don’t win F1 championships, neither do Pit Wall P*ssies.
I think we’re going to have a lot of fun this year. Woohoo!
yeah that was some of the most impressive driving i've seen in a looong time, and it's gonna be a long year... good times hello
“...yeah that was some of the most impressive driving i’ve seen in a looong time, and it’s gonna be a long year... good times hello...”
In the post race interview, Webber said the team said told them to slow down and save the engines, so he did so. Then Vettel blew by him for the lead.
Webber WAS following team direction, and is justifiably pissed with Vettel.
Hamilton was classy. Mercedes ordered their two drivers to stay in place, to conserve fuel and finish. Rosberg, behind Hamilton, was faster.
At the start of his interview Lewis said Rosberg should be on the podium.
All in all an interesting race. Record fast pit stops, and ridiculous pit screw ups. Very nice race course.
Unless he gets hurt, or somebody improves their cars ahead of Red Bull, Vettel takes it again.
His is simply the fastest car-driver combo.
yeah i saw the post race too... by impressive i meant neither one wrecked the other when there were bare millimeters btwn them and i was kinda surprised Webber didn't turn up the wick and fight him off Lew showed some class, was truthful and told it the way it was
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21922429
Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel should be suspended - John Watson
Red Bull should suspend Sebastian Vettel for one race as punishment for disobeying team orders in Malaysia, says former McLaren driver John Watson.
Vettel ignored a call to stay behind team-mate Mark Webber and overtook him with 13 laps left to win the race.
“The only purposeful way to bring him to book is to say ‘you will stand out one race’,” Watson told BBC Radio 4.
“I know that if other drivers in other teams disobeyed a team order they would be suspended or even fired.”
Northern Irishman Watson, 66, who won five grands prix and finished third in the 1982 drivers’ championship, was reacting to the dramatic conclusion to Sunday’s Malaysian Grand Prix.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21924725
Mark Webber still raw over Sebastian Vettel pass
Mark Webber says it will take some time before the wounds from the Malaysian Grand Prix have healed.
Red Bull team-mate Sebastian Vettel was told to stay behind Webber on Sunday but overtook him to win. The German later apologized.
Webber indicated to BBC F1 pit-lane reporter Lee McKenzie after the race that one of the questions in his mind had been whether he would ever get the full support of Red Bull to mount a title challenge against Vettel.
The 36-year-old also said he had considered his future in the team and even in F1.
Vettel on Sunday described himself as the “black sheep” at Red Bull and said that he would not do the same again in a similar situation.
Red Bull had a debrief with the drivers immediately after the race and team boss Christian Horner said there would be another in the gap before the Chinese Grand Prix on 12-14 April.
Webber said: “It’s three weeks to the next race. I will catch some waves in Australia. This will be good medicine.
“But there were a lot of things in my mind in the last 15 laps, so whether the medicine is enough we will see.”
Does everything in life have to be scripted?
When I spend good money to watch a race I expect every driver to try to win. It is bad enough in series like NASCAR to have to sit through 90% of the race then hope there is some real racing at the end. F1 has it’s own problems but holding drivers back should not be one of them.
Vettel may not be the most likable driver in the world but in the Malaysian race he and his car we the fastest on the track and if there were “team” orders then shame on the team. At least he did not pull into the wrong pit stall.
Such team orders render racing no better than fixed boxing matches or any other sport where the outcome has been predetermined. Again, shame on Red Bull Racing and F1 for allowing such team orders to take place.
Having said that, I do believe team orders should be "team" orders and drivers, as well as everyone else on the team, should abide by them. The owners wish to protect their investments (cars!). Whatever penalty RBR metes out to Vettel, it should be private and the only word given out should be that the matter has been dealt with internally.
I’ll take the side of “team orders.”
The cars are in one-two. It is near the end. The team wants to hold that, because they ALREADY have the win, from the team standpoint.
In issuing the order to hold places, conserve the cars and the win, they are fully justified.
What is NOT justified is Vettel blowing by him, when Webber slows, following team orders to hold places. Vettel has as much as admitted he was in the wrong.
Webber has every right to be pissed, with Vettel, not his team.
Watson is entitled to his opinion, of course, but that would be the worst decision, for the team as well (possible lost driver’s/team points in the championship - no team is that foolish).
I don’t know what Vettel’s contract spells out regarding team orders, but as I’m pretty sure they’re paying him some big bucks, perhaps they should just fine him a serious amount of money for breach of contract (so far as it applies). And then, in the future, he’ll ask himself whether or not making that pass is worth a million dollars (or whatever) to him. Heck, make him pay the fine to Webber...
True, but when I heard him on the podium I couldn't help but wonder whether that wasn't a brilliant little piece of psy-ops as well. Display some humility and make the opponent (Vettel) look that much worse for it...
I’ll take the side of “team orders.”
When I raced, the goal was still to win and a good racer did everything possible, without destroying the opponents car, to win.
If the team orders were because of low fuel like Mercedes team that would make sense. No case was successfully made that the Red Bull cars were in any danger of falling out.
The battle between Vettle and Webber was stellar and the best part of the entire race. However under your theory we would have seen the stereotypical F1 single row follow the leader that all their recent technical rule changes have attempted to eliminate.
No thanks. I want no part in fixed races. Saving fuel (for minimum weight or remaining fuel requirements) is not fixing races but what Red Bull Racing tried (if we can believe what is reported) is an attempt to fix the outcome.
F1 has become interesting to watch again and watching 2 great drivers battle for position without touching is as good as it gets. WWF is on the other channel.
I’ve watched that battle between those two at least a half dozen times yesterday and that was a school on aggressive, fight for the win, but don’t crash, driving. I’ll leave the milk toast races to others.
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