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The Holocaust Just Got More Shocking
New York Times ^

Posted on 03/02/2013 9:42:07 AM PST by mnehring

THIRTEEN years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: france; germany; ghetto; history; holocaust; russia; theholocaust; worldwar2; worldwareleven; wwii; zionism
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1 posted on 03/02/2013 9:42:12 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Disgusting, and scary - given that we haven’t seemed to have learned much since then.


2 posted on 03/02/2013 9:46:10 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: mnehring

How are the deniers going to square with these new insights?


3 posted on 03/02/2013 9:48:56 AM PST by The Louiswu (Torpedo the Constitution and full speed ahead!!!)
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To: mnehring

Thanks for posting this. I hope that this serves to increase the sentiment of ‘never again’, and makes us all even more vigilant to the seeds of tyranny that they would be burned before they sprout.

This, this is why we have a 2ND Amendment and why we must be willing to fight and bleed if necessary to keep it.


4 posted on 03/02/2013 9:50:21 AM PST by patriotsblood
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To: mnehring

What does it matter now?


5 posted on 03/02/2013 9:54:44 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: mnehring

NYT just doing the research Obama needs. For a blueprint for the next round.


6 posted on 03/02/2013 9:55:34 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: EDINVA

Please enlighten us on why you think it doesn’t matter.


7 posted on 03/02/2013 9:56:15 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Ironic that the NYT supports the same social policies of the Nazi’s.

Heck I was in their building as saw one of their senior writers dressed in an outfit which was basically a nazi dress gray uniform minus the actual insignia. The pants even had the enlarged thighs (the riding trousers).


8 posted on 03/02/2013 9:57:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EDINVA

There is nothing more we can do as far as punishing those who are guilty. But we can update our history so that a more accurate account is recorded.


9 posted on 03/02/2013 9:59:16 AM PST by NY Cajun
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To: mnehring

Now in Amerika. US Interment Camps for the unruly.


10 posted on 03/02/2013 10:00:50 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: mnehring

Sorry I was mocking Hillary Clinton who seems to think anything that happened before this very minute is irreevant


11 posted on 03/02/2013 10:02:36 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

Gotcha

We have some ‘deniers’ here so it is easy to get confused.


12 posted on 03/02/2013 10:03:51 AM PST by mnehring
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To: NY Cajun

I would have thought FReepers would recognize my mocking of Hillary Clinton.


13 posted on 03/02/2013 10:03:51 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: RetiredArmy

Interesting that the NY Times published this article. Unless I’m mistaken, didn’t the Times have a major role in covering up these actions WHILE THEY WERE OCCURRING?


14 posted on 03/02/2013 10:05:03 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: patriotsblood

“Never again” has a nice ring to it but since 1945 it has happened again. It has happened in Russia, China, Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and on a smaller scale in places too numerous to list. You are right to be worried about protecting tradiional American freedoms. Especially since the vile Obama clown parade is leading the people on the downwad course that makes such atrocities likely.


15 posted on 03/02/2013 10:07:06 AM PST by allendale
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To: cumbo78

The Times still has no interest in the camps and gulags run by their friends, the communists, over a lot longer period of time and murdering many more people.


16 posted on 03/02/2013 10:07:21 AM PST by Luke21
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To: mnehring

This is the latest comeback on even the most shocking news. Hillarys response on the deaths of Benghazi that could have easily been prevented “What does it matter now”. The same haughtiness of Marie Antoinette.


17 posted on 03/02/2013 10:10:15 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: EDINVA

“What does it matter now?”

You’re doing the Hillary thing, right?


18 posted on 03/02/2013 10:11:20 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: EDINVA

When I first saw your post I thought you were mocking the “what difference does it make” Bilary reference. But, honestly, I wasn’t 100% certain. Glad you clarified :)


19 posted on 03/02/2013 10:14:09 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: cumbo78

They even covered up the Holodomore.


20 posted on 03/02/2013 10:15:47 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: mnehring

That has to be the worst title of the year so far.


21 posted on 03/02/2013 10:16:42 AM PST by x
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To: mnehring
Nazis and abortion.

Scary how it reminds me of one of the political parties in America. Including obama voting against the "Born Alive" bill in Illinois....

sites euphemistically named “care” centers, where pregnant women were forced to have abortions or their babies were killed after birth

22 posted on 03/02/2013 10:17:16 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: mnehring
Thanks for posting this. It never occurred to me that the full extent of the Nazi death camps had never been full cataloged. You always hear and read about the major camps, but I've never before heard of the simply unbelievable extent of their killing and extermination machine.

My first clue came when my daughter studied in Italy when she was a junior in high school. We took a family trip to pick her up in May 2006. She had the most wonderful host family in the small town of Fossoli near Carpi. Her Italian "Dad" took us to a local Nazi concentration camp in Fossoli and it struck me at the time "what in the world is a Nazi concentration camp doing here in this small town in Italy?" Before that, I didn't know the Nazis were exterminating the Jews in Italy, too.

This article helps piece the entire story together.

23 posted on 03/02/2013 10:19:16 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: EDINVA

Sorry. My bad! That was a good one, too. I need more cofee.


24 posted on 03/02/2013 10:21:59 AM PST by NY Cajun
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To: EDINVA

Sorry. My bad! That was a good one, too. I need more coffee.


25 posted on 03/02/2013 10:22:15 AM PST by NY Cajun
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To: mnehring

Sent this to my Congressional reps:

“THIRTEEN years ago, researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum began the grim task of documenting all the ghettos, slave labor sites, concentration camps and killing factories that the Nazis set up throughout Europe.

What they have found so far has shocked even scholars steeped in the history of the Holocaust.

The researchers have cataloged some 42,500 Nazi ghettos and camps throughout Europe, spanning German-controlled areas from France to Russia and Germany itself, during Hitler’s reign of brutality from 1933 to 1945.”

see story at
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/sunday-review/the-holocaust-just-got-more-shocking.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1362236748-5jy69MPKaw0svfJWxthXZQ&;

This tragedy is exactly what happens when a people allows its government
to disarm them.

I have written you gentlemen several times on the need to preserve our
Second Amendment against erosion by our federal government, most recently
about the spate of knee-jerk gun control measures proposed by Feinstein
and a host of others. Some of you have replied that ‘you will listen to
the opinions of all your constituents before taking a stance on our Second
Amendment’ That’s very ‘democratic’ of you but there is one problem—we
don’t live in a democracy (mob rule)—our Founders instituted a
Constitutional Republic.

I can PROMISE you that the firearm-owning voters will not sit still for
the slightest infringement on our 2ND Amendment, and if you enjoy your
job, I would encourage you to remember that.


26 posted on 03/02/2013 10:22:15 AM PST by patriotsblood
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To: EDINVA

How dare you use sarcasm without the sarcasm tag for the sarcastically challenged.


27 posted on 03/02/2013 10:22:28 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: mnehring

> Please enlighten us on why you think it doesn’t matter.

It’s a joke, son, I say, it’s a joke.

It’s a take off on Hitlery’s comments to the Congress about Benghazi, remember?

Do we need the /sarc tag after every play on words?


28 posted on 03/02/2013 10:23:25 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: mnehring
1943 was 70 years ago. Take in mind that this is from the New York Times. How many holocaust survivors and their descendant's live in NY? About time for them to cover the scale of this evil?

Do you think the New York Times will admit that the NAZIS were the “National Socialist” Party? I think not, the NYT protects at all cost the Socialists.

The real puzzle to me is how so many Jewish people are socialists.

29 posted on 03/02/2013 10:27:25 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Westbrook
Do we need the /sarc tag after every play on words?

Yeah, does it matter that there is no sarc tag? /s

30 posted on 03/02/2013 10:27:47 AM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Wait until we find out what is taking place in the North Korean hellhole right now when that information will become available in the future.

And even then, we will have learned nothing because there will be enough deniers of the truth.


31 posted on 03/02/2013 10:32:20 AM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Thanks for sharing those photos.

The Final Solution even reached all the way into Africa, where several hundred Jews from Libya were killed, and to the Jewish community on the island of Rhodes, off the coast of Turkey.

32 posted on 03/02/2013 10:36:02 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Bookmark post 23


33 posted on 03/02/2013 10:41:16 AM PST by sport
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To: Westbrook; EDINVA

Here’s whats interesting about the comment...”why does it matter?”....it was a joke=take off on Hilary’s comment...but the response here demonstrates just how awful her comment really was!
No one would think you would say that after Benghazi..but she did and got away with it.

I wonder if she would have said the same thing about the black girl (that was at obama’s innaugural)shot dead in Chicago, “what does it matter if she got shot dead by a thug or just somebody that wanted to go out and shoot black girls?”


34 posted on 03/02/2013 10:43:11 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: driftdiver

Do you mean jodpuhrs?


35 posted on 03/02/2013 11:11:44 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

Yes, but they were cut exactly like the nazi’s used. Also the same gray color.


36 posted on 03/02/2013 11:22:31 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: EDINVA

I’m really surprised the Freepere here didn’t get that quote and you had to explain it. Just shows how the general public has forgotten. Hillary gets away with another one. Probably need to put it in quotes in the future.


37 posted on 03/02/2013 11:27:42 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart

All that’s keeping us and this country from the same fate are the NRA, and the millions of patriots who remain dedicated to the 2nd Amendment. Those who are actively trying to dismantle it deserve no less than the EXACT same scorn and disgust as the Nazi murderers and other evil tyrants throughout history.

Because what they desire is a populace weak and unable to defend themselves. They don’t care about you one bit. You’d have a bullet to the back of your head if they had their way.

If the majority of us were thinking straight, we’d lock these vermin up (DiFI and others) and kick them in their collective heads ...then spit upon them and take pictures for everyone to see for even TRYING it. They deserve to be pariahs in any society.


38 posted on 03/02/2013 11:34:44 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

We were able to visit Dachau during our tours in Germany. You could still just smell the death in that place ....even 50 years later.


39 posted on 03/02/2013 11:35:59 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: cumbo78
Unless I’m mistaken, didn’t the Times have a major role in covering up these actions WHILE THEY WERE OCCURRING?

Given the information available to them they did an O.K. job of covering the holocaust. Check out the articles on pgs. 7 and 8 of today's WWII + 70 Years post.

N.Y. Times, March 2, 1943.

40 posted on 03/02/2013 11:41:52 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: mnehring

She owns that and it will be used as long as she shows her face.


41 posted on 03/02/2013 11:46:51 AM PST by Domangart
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To: RetiredArmy
Now in Amerika. US Interment Camps for the unruly.

Well, for right now, it's called "sensitivity training" and "community service", but "they're" working on it!!

42 posted on 03/02/2013 11:48:45 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: mnehring
.......The numbers astound: 30,000 slave labor camps; 1,150 Jewish ghettos; 980 concentration camps; 1,000 prisoner-of-war camps; 500 brothels filled with sex slaves; and thousands of other camps used for euthanizing the elderly and infirm, performing forced abortions, “Germanizing” prisoners or transporting victims to killing centers.......

.......The lead editors on the project, Geoffrey Megargee and Martin Dean, estimate that 15 million to 20 million people died or were imprisoned in the sites

It is shocking. As the article says, with the number of camps within Germany, Germans knew enough of what was going on. Claims of ignorance were lies.
43 posted on 03/02/2013 11:53:16 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Germans knew enough of what was going on. Claims of ignorance were lies.


Parents saw neighbors rounded up and had a pretty good idea what was happening. When their kids asked what happened the parents told them “nobody lived there, so don’t talk about it.”

I understand that they were silent in order to protect their kids. I don’t agree or approve of it, but I understand why.


44 posted on 03/02/2013 11:57:20 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: mnehring; EDINVA

You might include a pic of Hillary when you use that meme.


45 posted on 03/02/2013 11:58:59 AM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: mnehring
Something that's really bothered me for many, many years, is how can the NY Times document and beat their collective editorial chest over the evils of the NAZI holocaust (however it seems they rarely mention any victims other than the Jews, ignoring the other 6 million or so other victims of the NAZIs.

Not to minimize the evils of the NAZI holocaust (especially since I am Jewish, and had relatives who were both victims and survivors of the NAZIs), the NY Times ACTIVELY covered up the systematic starvation of the Ukraine by Stalin and the Soviet Union. They didn't just ignore it... They published glowing stories and support Walter Durante to this day. How the ownership and editorial staff of the times can live with themselves is baffling to me. They're disgusting.

Mark

46 posted on 03/02/2013 12:28:40 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: CrazyIvan

Dear God, YES!

Carved in stone at the National Archives is a Shakespearean line, “What is past is prologue.” We must know without revision suited to contemporary politicians what went before, whether it’s the Holocaust or Benghazi.

Interesting - and pure coincidence, no doubt - the Clintons’ good buddy, Sandy Berger, managed to erase other history by stealing and then destroying docs at the Archive.


47 posted on 03/02/2013 12:40:48 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; Girlene

Not all Germans were silent. There was several underground resistance movements against the Nazis and Hitler. The White Rose and Realm of the Black, Red and Gold were two notable ones. I had a great-great-great uncle who was in the latter. He was caught and sent to Dachau early on and killed by the SS. I think there may have been many people who would have stood up but they saw what the SS did to people like my uncle and shut up for their own survival.

Of course, there is also just the mass hysteria of being caught up in a movement. There was so much anti-Jewish propaganda for decades blaming them for all the woes that Weimar was facing, many silently (or openly) cheered.


48 posted on 03/02/2013 1:38:25 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I know they weren’t all silent. Too many, though, acted like they didn’t have a clue afterward. Not true.

Fascinating information on the German resistance groups. Thanks.


49 posted on 03/02/2013 1:44:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
You might include a pic of Hillary when you use that meme.

Like this one


What difference at this point does it make!!

50 posted on 03/02/2013 2:00:13 PM PST by mc5cents
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