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Pete Rose erased from baseball cards - Has Topps gone too far?
zap2it ^

Posted on 02/13/2013 6:42:56 PM PST by SMGFan

Baseball card collectors and fans of the game are left scratching their heads after Topps made the decision to scrub mentions of Pete Rose and his Major League Baseball records from their products.

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Yet, when it comes to players chasing Rose' records, his name is omitted. For example, Chicago White Sox catcher A.J. Pierzynski's card mentions his standing in regard to the "all-time record of 4,256" hits, but no mention as to who holds that mysterious record.

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TOPICS: Hobbies; Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; hof; mlb; peterose
This is Bull, his records are legit.
1 posted on 02/13/2013 6:43:04 PM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

Baseball has taken a harsh stance on players betting and for good reason.

Still Rose never bet against his own team and he always gave it all he had. Yes kick him out of the game but leave his records, he earned them fair and square.


2 posted on 02/13/2013 6:47:31 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: SMGFan
As a Reds fan since days of Big Klu and Wally Post, I agree Rose did garner all of those hits, but his lack of integrity makes his being shunned well deserved.
3 posted on 02/13/2013 6:53:58 PM PST by buckalfa (Tilting at Windmills)
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To: SMGFan

Pete did not use drugs. It was all heart.


4 posted on 02/13/2013 6:56:31 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: SMGFan
Baseball should reinstate Rose because they haven't banned the steroid users. He did not damage the sport the way they have when it comes to records.
5 posted on 02/13/2013 6:59:07 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: Keen-Minded

Agree.


6 posted on 02/13/2013 7:00:59 PM PST by Ax
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To: yarddog

I agree—its going too far.


7 posted on 02/13/2013 7:02:38 PM PST by rbg81
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To: SMGFan

If only Pete had been a Democrat politician he would not have had any problems. I think he has been punished far beyond his crimes.


8 posted on 02/13/2013 7:05:14 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SMGFan

After Rose is dead, the rehabilitation will start.


9 posted on 02/13/2013 7:06:35 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: SMGFan

Seeing Pete selling his wares at a sports store on the Vega$ strip is sad enough. But this is just too much. Charlie Hustle played the game the way it was supposed to be played.


10 posted on 02/13/2013 7:06:54 PM PST by Jane Long
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To: bmwcyle
Pete did not use drugs. It was all heart.

Gambling on baseball by a player or manager is infinitely worse than players using performance-enhancing drugs, from a baseball perspective.

And like many baseball players going back to the 60s, Rose took amphetamines as a performance-enhancer.

11 posted on 02/13/2013 7:08:01 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: SMGFan

Fans should decide, not Topps.


12 posted on 02/13/2013 7:10:00 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: SMGFan

Rose’s records are legitimate and shouldn’t be ignored. There is a case to be made for his exclusion from the Hall, but even the Hall of Fame lists his records and achievements, he just isn’t enshrined.

...and as time has passed, IMHO, the veteran’s committee should consider him in light of the steroid era.


13 posted on 02/13/2013 7:11:54 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: Strategerist

Not so, if they do not bet on games they play in or influence. His records were one on the field of play and he did not use performance enhancing drugs to break a record like Bonds did or others.


14 posted on 02/13/2013 7:14:59 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: SMGFan

Pete who?


15 posted on 02/13/2013 7:14:59 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SMGFan; All

Look. We all know that Pete Rose is an asshole. But we all also know that he belongs in the HOF. Cut the sanctimonious bullshit and put him there.


16 posted on 02/13/2013 7:15:50 PM PST by EveningStar ("What color is the sky in your world?" -- Frasier Crane)
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To: SMGFan

This is all going to make Pete rose’s cards worth more than all the rest combined.

These idiots must have been educated at the same University (Wisconsin Superior) that feels it’s unfair to be white.

Anyone with a Pete Rose card, your wealth has been increased by these idiots.


17 posted on 02/13/2013 7:18:28 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: SMGFan
OJ remains in the Hall of Fame????? Why?????

This is all about race.

18 posted on 02/13/2013 7:23:01 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: dinoparty

Okay. I’ve decided that I don’t my grandchildren admiring a guy who insulted the game. He’s dead to me. And I hope my family.


19 posted on 02/13/2013 7:25:55 PM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Sacajaweau
OJ remains in the Hall of Fame????? Why?????

His misdeeds came after his playing days were through.

20 posted on 02/13/2013 7:38:48 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: SMGFan

Good God! All the man did was gamble, it’s not like he murdered anybody.

TOPPS, MLB, need to get a life.


21 posted on 02/13/2013 7:48:57 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: yarddog
Agree. The whole "culture" of betting/gambling is anathema to the game of baseball, but still not as egregious and dishonest as "cheating" by "doping", etc...

Love him or hate him, Rose earned his on-field credentials honestly, as far as I've ever heard, and simply being made to disappear from the record books (and the Topps cards) is just ridiculous, IMHO! Hall of Fame is a different story, of course...rules is rules, I reckon.

22 posted on 02/13/2013 7:55:35 PM PST by 88keys (where are the real Americans?!)
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To: SMGFan

Well I hope for his sake he gets in to the HOF. Everytime I am in Vegas he is doing autograph sessions at either Caesars or like 20 minutes ago when I waved at him at Mandalay Bay. He was by himself and did not look happy at all.


23 posted on 02/13/2013 8:01:31 PM PST by Cyman
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To: SMGFan
Its not like he owned a pitbull fighting ring.

You would think he punched Rihanna or something.

Sad state of affairs when you can't bet on your own team to win !

24 posted on 02/13/2013 8:17:50 PM PST by Newbomb Turk ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: yarddog
Still Rose never bet against his own team and he always gave it all he had.

And we have his word on that....

25 posted on 02/13/2013 8:28:41 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: yarddog; Cyber Liberty
Ahem....from 2007 on ESPN.com...

Rose spoke Wednesday with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann on ESPN Radio to discuss the new Pete Rose exhibit that will be on display at the Great American Ballpark as part of the Reds Hall of Fame. The exhibit will be on display for 11 months.

"I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I was wrong," Rose said.

Rose said that he believed in his team so much that he bet on them to win every night.

"I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team, I believe in my team," Rose said. "I did everything in my power every night to win that game."

26 posted on 02/13/2013 8:47:51 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: SMGFan

Exactly. Something stupid that he did as a coach should not erase his records as a player. The fact that the hall of fame will never touch him and his caricature of a public image is punishment enough.


27 posted on 02/13/2013 8:48:33 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: edpc

Whew! I’m glad that’s settled....


28 posted on 02/13/2013 8:50:03 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

And his cards will be worth big money. He will be folk lore.


29 posted on 02/13/2013 8:52:23 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Rose is a very special POS.

That said, his records are legit and should be recognized. I don't have an issue with him being in the HOF posthumously. While he's alive, however, he should be banned from official MLB activities IMHO.

30 posted on 02/13/2013 8:56:01 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: edpc

Seems reasonable.


31 posted on 02/13/2013 9:00:52 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: EveningStar
Cut the sanctimonious bullshit and put him there.

I've got to respectfully disagree there. Pete Rose is sort of like the Benedict Arnold of baseball. Like Arnold, Rose did many good things, but then he went over to the dark side.

Arnold won great victories early in the Revolutionary war. But Arnold should not be on an American coin. Rose should not be in the Hall of Fame.

32 posted on 02/13/2013 9:07:22 PM PST by Leaning Right
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To: SMGFan

For crying out loud, he bet on baseball, he didn’t bugger the commissioner’s pet goat.

Leave him alone, he’s paid enough.


33 posted on 02/13/2013 9:41:35 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Keen-Minded
Baseball should reinstate Rose because they haven't banned the steroid users. He did not damage the sport the way they have when it comes to records.

Totally agree!

34 posted on 02/13/2013 9:48:38 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
"Still Rose never bet against his own team and he always gave it all he had. And we have his word on that.... "

Pete was such a hero to me growing up. But the guy simply can't stop lying.

Don't forget he AGREED to the lifetime ban. He signed the papers with Giamatti.

First it was I never bet on baseball, then it was I bet on the Reds to win most of the time (except when he knew a starting pitcher wasn't up to snuff), then it was I bet on the Reds to win every game (foolish strategy BTW).

I'm at the point where I truly don't believe anything he says.

I really would not be that surprised if he bet against the Reds on occasion, just to cover his substantial losses.

Anyone who knows a patholgical gambling addict knows that there is virtually nothing they won't do.

Oh, I know he's sorry. But I think it's because got caught.

35 posted on 02/13/2013 11:07:35 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: The Cajun

Free Republic is a Conservative website. We espouse morality, respect for the law, contracts, loyalty, not consorting with organized crime, not using and/or pushing illegal drugs, not fixing sports events, not gambling against your employer, management, players and other people that you supervise, not threatened those people, etc.
MLB’s investigation linked Rose and his drug-dealing, bookmaking, baseball gambling, race-fixing, steroids using/dealing, amphetamine using/dealing, income-tax fraud friends, many whom lived in Rose’s houses and hotel rooms.
MLB released some of the investigation but much more was not disclosed as per Rose’s contract with MLB, which threatened to turn the investigation to the government. There were a lot of people, very scary people, who urged Rose to take the deal.


36 posted on 02/13/2013 11:40:23 PM PST by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)
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To: namvolunteer
MLB released some of the investigation but much more was not disclosed as per Rose’s contract with MLB, which threatened to turn the investigation to the government. There were a lot of people, very scary people, who urged Rose to take the deal

And all of these undisclosed facts you know how???

There were a lot of people, very scary people, who urged Rose to take the deal.

And also this fact, you know how???

Note: They said, was rumored, unnamed sources are not adequate answers, btw.

Free Republic is a Conservative website.

Why thanks Captain Obvious!
I've been stumbling around here for 14 years and didn't realize that.

37 posted on 02/14/2013 1:02:52 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: dinoparty

Fans should decide by never supporting anything “Tops”


38 posted on 02/14/2013 6:12:58 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: namvolunteer
I didn't know that scary people urged Rose to take the deal. But sports gambling wasn't legal in Ohio in the '80s. He went through bookies.

I don't know if you know who runs the bookmaking business, but let me assure you, it ain't the Boy Scouts.

Rose associated with all KINDS of low-lifes during this time. He even met them in the clubhouse at Riverfront.

Read the book "Hustle".

Pete was very very stupid.

39 posted on 02/14/2013 1:55:33 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: SMGFan
made the decision to scrub mentions of Pete Rose and his Major League Baseball records from their products.

Just makes his cards all the more valuable.......

40 posted on 02/14/2013 1:57:48 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: namvolunteer
Free Republic is a Conservative website. We espouse morality, respect for the law, contracts, loyalty, not consorting with organized crime, not using and/or pushing illegal drugs, not fixing sports events, not gambling against your employer, management, players and other people that you supervise, not threatened those people, etc...

We? You got a mouse in your pocket? That may have been the crede when I first joined but this site has changed since then.........

41 posted on 02/14/2013 2:05:55 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: The Cajun
They got Rose on much more evidence than "rumors". They had phone records from his home, and the clubhouse directly to these bookmakers.

They also had betting slips with his fingerprints on them.

It wasn't even arguable. Giamatti had him dead to rights.

Rose signed the ban. Apparently he must have assumed that Giamatti would keep his mouth shut, but said "Pete Rose bet on baseball".

That's when Pete started to lie.

And acted hurt and betrayed that Giamatti said this publicly.

And as has been said above, Rose was a true hero on the field, and those records will stand. But for those who say, "Well, he gambled as a manager. Doesn't negate his on-field acheivements." Don't forget that Rose was a PLAYER-manager at the end of his career.

Pete was known as a heavy gambler long before that. In his biographies from the 70s he even talks at length about how being a pro athlete requires a certain level of adrenaline and he got that "high" off the field by betting on horses, or football, or what have you. In one particular biography he even brags how "good" he was at playing the ponies. He's extremely knowledgeable at handicapping.

I find it very difficult to believe that he wasn't betting on baseball while still a player (or player-manager), but all of a sudden just "happened" to start when he became a manager full-time.

Sorry to be Debby Downer, but the man is essentially dead to me. Not the hero I loved so much as a kid.

42 posted on 02/14/2013 2:19:40 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: dinoparty

Fans don’t print the cards, Topps does. That’s their decision to make. If fans don’t like it they shouldn’t buy the cards, that’s their decision point.


43 posted on 02/14/2013 2:27:11 PM PST by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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To: boop
Rose was a true hero on the field, and those records will stand.

Essentially that is what I'm saying.

The records of those hitting it out of the park while *Juicing it* should not.
As far as I know Maris or Mantle never juiced it, well Mantle maybe booze, but that is not a performance enhancer :)

44 posted on 02/14/2013 5:06:33 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun
"As far as I know Maris or Mantle never juiced it, well Mantle maybe booze, but that is not a performance enhancer :)"

Completely agree!

For those who defend the "juicers" of the 90's, I always wonder just what Mantle or for that matter Babe Ruth COULD have done, had they not drank and partied so much.

I'd lay money down that Mantle would have broken the Babe's HR record had he stayed "clean".

For baseball historians, they always comment that Mantle was ungodly with his power. And looking at the distances he hit, he came pretty close to the Bambino.

Alas, alcoholism and a bum knee, and we'll never know.

Then again, the Babe hit in parks that had 500 ft. fences, so maybe he would have approached 1000 HRs in the modern era.

45 posted on 02/14/2013 5:51:06 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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To: boop
Had read that the reason Mantle's knees gave out was that he never would do pregame warm ups or couldn't do them.
He would just go out there and hit the hell out of the ball.
Idolized him and Yogi Berra way back in the day.
Falstaff Game of the Week with Dizzy Dean, LOL.
46 posted on 02/14/2013 6:54:30 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: The Cajun
Really?

I've read that Mantle tripped over a drainage pipe in the outfield that didn't have the cap on.

Twisted his knee fierce.

Was never the same after that.

47 posted on 02/14/2013 7:16:03 PM PST by boop ("You don't look so bad, here's another")
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