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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 6 FEBRUARY 8, 2013
Free Republic | February 8, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 02/08/2013 1:30:15 PM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!

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TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobby; hotpeppers; seedcatalogue; seeds; wintersowing
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We have a gloomy moderately cold day today. The kind that makes you want to curl up in front of the fireplace with a cup of hot tea and some gardening books.

I will be sowing some clover soon to turn under later as soil improvement crop. Indoor peppers are in bloom again, and lemons are a little larger than olives. Garlic is doing well outside.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 02/08/2013 1:30:29 PM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes
It's been a great weather day here in Texas. 64F now and sunny. I spent time working on the herb/salad garden, added peat moss (sandy soil here), compost, and commercial fertilizer.

Building a cold frame for the herb/salad garden today, too. Kid came by and we went to pick up lumber and plastic for the cold frame. Daughters are a blessing.

Got to see some of my grandkids, scored a deal on Hatch chili peppers while shopping, and those are roasted now, and awaiting processing.

Early tobacco sets growing well. Tomatoes are a little leggy, so I'm leaving them outside to chill and backing off on the water.

Jalapenos are in a starter flat and should peek out in a week or so.

Hiring a kid this weekend to finish tilling the main garden.

All in all, it's been a blessed week.

/johnny

2 posted on 02/08/2013 1:45:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the list. My internet service has been acting up today. It keeps going down right in the middle of trying to get this thread and list posted. Finally I have the thread posted, still trying to get the list pinged.


3 posted on 02/08/2013 1:46:18 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
My garden seed order went out yesterday to Gurney’s and Baker Creek in Mansfield, MO. Gurney’s was once in South Dakota and now is mailing their catalog from Indiana. I suspect the big box stores have crushed much of the catalog business.
I noted Gurney’s is offering grafted tomato and pepper plants. I wonder if anyone has experience with grafted tomatoes ?
4 posted on 02/08/2013 1:48:15 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: greeneyes

I have five varieties of tomatoes sprouted in peat pots. Lesson one: don’t use the small size, the roots get crimped too soon. Lesson two, better using plastic cups with holes in bottom. Peat pots wick water away from sides too fast.

I’m in Vegas, so I have to start early to beat the heat.

I’ve compiled a whole book on survival food gardening for preppers if anyone is interested.

http://www.futurnamics.com/garden.php


5 posted on 02/08/2013 1:49:39 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Got to see some of my grandkids, scored a deal on Hatch chili peppers while shopping, and those are roasted now, and awaiting processing.

Are you going to freeze them?

6 posted on 02/08/2013 1:51:54 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
What is the point of grafted tomatos? Great rootstock and tender tops with great tomatoes? I'm not seeing the point.

I am, however, this year going to espallier my tomato plants instead of growing them in cages. I want to see how they do growing along a wire instead of getting bushy in cages.

Darn things take up too much room in the garden as it is.

/johnny

7 posted on 02/08/2013 1:52:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Wow. Send some of that sun this way.LOL. Just seeing the sun gives me energy to get up and get some work done. Sounds like you had a good week.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 1:56:51 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dirtboy
Are you going to freeze them?

Nah, my grandkids are cool enough just the way they are.

Oh... the peppers? I make a pepper puree with a little salt, pepper, and vinegar and use it for a spread or as compliment or ingredient for certain dishes.

I'd put that stuff on ice cream, if no-one was looking.

I'll have hatch chili sauce on my eggs tomorrow morning, that much, I can guarantee.

/johnny

9 posted on 02/08/2013 1:57:10 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Reason I raised freezing them is that most people peel and seed the peppers before freezing, but if you leave the peels and seeds in place when they are frozen, the peppers have better flavor when you later use them, and it’s actually pretty easy to peel half-thawed peppers.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 1:59:57 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: DaxtonBrown
Lesson two, better using plastic cups with holes in bottom. Peat pots wick water away from sides too fast.

Today, daughter and I bought a bunch of Solo(tm) cups to move the tomatoes and peppers and tobacco into when the time is right.

I'll spend the evening cutting slits/holes in the sides/bottom.

90 Solo(tm) cups in the bag... take one down... stab it carefully... 89 nine Solo(tm) cups in the bag. ;)

Being a commercial cook type person. I plant exactly ONE type of tomato. Roma. I can make it work for most everything. And it does VERY well here. I'll can some, sun dry some, have some fresh, have them as fried green 'maters, make tomato paste, and dehydrated tomato powder (think tomato bullion).

Roma works for me.

/johnny

11 posted on 02/08/2013 2:05:19 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I don't know for sure but I think grafting allows an old time variety to be spliced onto a high bred root. I've planted grafted pecans and they're doing better than the seed grown trees hereabouts.
12 posted on 02/08/2013 2:06:54 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The Mennonites around here turn out great tomatoes by the first of April, including romas and other varieties. I use romas when I make Pasta Putanesca. YUM !


13 posted on 02/08/2013 2:12:46 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I was wondering the same thing about grafted tomatoes. I ordered most of my stuff last fall during the sales, and I save my heirloom seeds, so I don’t have much to order.

I sent in an order for some strawberry plants, goji berry bushes, blueberry bushes last week since they were on sale.


14 posted on 02/08/2013 2:13:33 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dirtboy
I roast mine. It's what I learned in NM from an old lady that didn't speak english, but her family had been in that mountain valley for almost 400 years.

If I had any peppers left, I'd try just freezing some, but alas, I started roasting as soon as I got home with them.

Do you blanch them or anything before freezing them?

/johnny

15 posted on 02/08/2013 2:14:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes

I was looking at goji berries but they looked kind of puny. Does a goji bush produce large quantities ?


16 posted on 02/08/2013 2:15:48 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Thanks for the link. I am planning on starting my plants this year in the 3-50z paper cups. I figure I’ll make a tiny hole in the bottom to help with drainage and it will make transplants easy.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 2:17:15 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
I lost all of my saved jalapeno seed to mold this year. Not a one passed the germination test. 5 years I've been cultivating that particular variety, and I'm having to start all over from scratch with commercial seeds this year.

Heartbreaking.

They didn't look moldy, they were dry and looked like seeds were supposed to look, but during the germination test, and followup test, both sets only grew mold.

I hate mold. It's why I can't make sourdough bread here.

/johnny

18 posted on 02/08/2013 2:19:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes
Cool day out in the desert today, 64 with a little chill in the breeze. Supposed to rain some tonight.

Transplanted my zinnia and marigold seedlings to bigger pots this morning and letting them spend some time outside. I think I'm giving up on my alyssum seedlings; I just let them get to leggy and now they are small, weak and floppy. I'll start over with new seeds and this time put them closer to the light in the little greenhouse--that might help.

I think I mentioned before one of my freesia bulbs in the pot came up last week; she's about 2 inches high now. The other nine are lagging, and I hope to see them soon. :)

My pepper seedlings (Explosive Ember and Bolivian Rainbow) are now starting to leaf. Yay! My wife's tomatoes and other veggies are coming along well; she's even having remarkable success with her Moringa (Miracle Plant) seedlings. We'll have more than we know what to do with! :)

19 posted on 02/08/2013 2:22:05 PM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I am not sure. The fruit provides great anti oxidants and is good for the liver. It can be eaten fresh or preserved many different ways, including wines.

A big plus is the tolerance to drought. After last year’s experience, that was a big enhancement.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 2:30:28 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I oven roast some of my jalapenos and then freeze and I also Freeze a bunch that are fresh picked and whole right from the garden - no blanching involved. Both types are great to use in sauces or any recipe that call for some heat and flavor.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 2:30:35 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Yep, it’s 68 here. Had a wee little bit of rain a few days ago which really popped up the onion bulbs that were tilled under a couple weeks ago. Of course, they’re everywhere but where they belong but I’m not complaining. The Hatch and other chili pepper seeds never did make but the bells finally came up. Had to restart a couple tomatoes but the others are 6-8” tall. Just to see, most everything is being started inside this year. FYI, to save space, I broke down and bought a way too expensive Burpee 72 starter kit (that was the only thing my podunkville had). Don’t buy it. The pellets don’t expand well so you have to add more starting mix and the self watering cloth doesn’t have enough pulling action to keep the top of the soil wet. The veggies in the recycled cat food containers and newspaper pots are just as happy for zero the cost.

I started cleaning out the new herb bed but threw out my knee (again) and had some pavers fall on my leg so am giving the job to hubby. Next week, maybe he can get to that and I can get back out to measure off the garden again.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 2:32:07 PM PST by bgill
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To: fidelis

The daffodils are starting to bloom and the caladiums are sending up blades here but they’re getting cleaned out for herbs.


23 posted on 02/08/2013 2:44:11 PM PST by bgill
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To: Red_Devil 232
Jalapenos I hot pack can, use fresh, or smoke (chipotle). That's like a tradition around here. I can't make it through the winter without a minimum of 6 pints of canned jalapenos (just me, living alone).

I've got less than a quart left from last year's harvest. I'm getting a little anxious about that.

But my dear NM Hatch peppers... those I roast and puree. They are very mild, but so very, very good. I'm looking forward to breakfast tomorrow. Mmmmmm.

/johnny

24 posted on 02/08/2013 2:45:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That is sad news. I keep my heirloom seeds segregated. Each year I put the seeds from the year before in little plastic medicine bottles, and put them all in a coffee can.

One is vaacum packed in the freezer, and One in the refrigerator. So far it has worked. I have seeds from 2009 to 2012. Only if the 2012 fails will I go back to the freezer stash.

We can at least do sourdough bread here, but we also keep it in the refrigerator.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 2:46:11 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red_Devil 232

I freeze halved and seeded raw jalapenos on cookies sheets. Then bag them for the freezer to use later for poppers.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 2:48:47 PM PST by bgill
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To: greeneyes
We have black mold. It infects the starter even in the fridge. Best I can do here on bread is a pre-ferment, but have to use it in less than a week.

I buy 2oz condiment cups with lids from AceMart restaurant supply to store my seeds in, since they are untouched by human hands until you open the package. And of course, because I'm familiar with them from the business. Think the little salsa cups with lids that you get at mexican restaurants.

I think I just had a bad year with the jalapenos this year/last year. I'll need to raise some that are immune to the black mold poison.

/johnny

27 posted on 02/08/2013 2:51:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Black mold sounds ominous. I am glad Missouri conditions allow us to prepare sourdough. We go through spurts of Hermann fads as each generation “discovers” and experiments with it for a bit.LOL.


28 posted on 02/08/2013 3:06:38 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: fidelis

I am not familiar with Moringa. Can you tell me more about it?


29 posted on 02/08/2013 3:15:26 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; fanfan

fanfan, I saw your pics on another thread of your wintersown containers. Can you tell me more about that experience. Is this the first year you have tried wintersowing?


30 posted on 02/08/2013 3:24:15 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa_oleifera
Moringa is easy to grow in warmer climes and leaves and seeds are edible and very nutritious


31 posted on 02/08/2013 3:33:41 PM PST by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: scottteng

Thanks for the link. It seems to be a very versatile plant. It will be interesting to hear your experiences with it.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 4:16:46 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
We put about 100 onion sets in the hoophouse this week. Tomato's are sprouting in the peat pots, and last years pepper "trees" are sprouting new leaves in the greenhouse. If the warm weather persists, we may have an early harvest. Heck, I may even see full size fruit on my papaya!
We really need rain though. We only got a few sprinkles from the front that passed south of San Antonio a couple days ago
33 posted on 02/08/2013 4:23:46 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: greeneyes

Yea! I get to look at seed packets for the next 8 weeks or so!

Jung’s sent the seeds I ordered; the plants & sets will come later.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 4:26:11 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: greeneyes

Oh, yeah, got back less than an hour ago from taking the tiller to the deler...50+ miles each way...mainly to have my new set of tines installed, and the reverse disc replaced, in addition to a general servicing.

There are small shops much closer, but the last time I took a chainsaw to one, they didn’t replace a rotten fuel line; it sucked air, and destroyed the cylinder. Time before, another one decided to unexpectedly close for a 6-8 week summer vacation, with no way to pick up the saw.

OTOH, Tim does it right, reasonably, and timely; and is very accommodating.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 4:36:12 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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It’s been a day of ups and down today. I’m not sure whether to celebrate or cry.

One of my medical tests finally came back with something. I’ve had some serious health issues on and off for the last 6 years, and just about every test comes back clean, so it’s been frustrating. They found fibroids, which are a type of tumor. I see the doctor Moday to figure out what to do about it.

5 minutes later I got an email with a very nice job offer, I start Monday. This is after being unemployed for a little over a year.

Monday is going to be a busy day. I’m just a little freaked out.


36 posted on 02/08/2013 4:38:50 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Sarajevo

You have been very energetic and productive! Early produce is our plan this year. Try to get as much as possible by the end of June and 1st week in July.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 4:41:58 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Marcella
Ping to a thread you may find useful.

/johnny

38 posted on 02/08/2013 4:56:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ellendra

Congrats on the job. Now, sit down with some calming teas. In between each soothing sip, close your eyes, breathe in through your nose and exhale slowly.

Concentrate soley on your breathing or imagine a very soothing scene and see your self as very calm and relaxed. I have practiced this breathing technique, and can bring my pulse rate down by about 10 points in 3 breaths.

With respect to fibroids. Been there and done that. If you have not had a D & C, then that is probably the next step. This will also provide a tissue sample to test for malignancy. Most fibroids are not malignant.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 5:18:41 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; Marcella

JRF, thanks for pinging Marcella.

Marcella, I don’t know how useful the thread is, but it certainly gives me a break from the gloom and doom of the economic and political events, and I enjoy it.

We would welcome your container gardening reports too. Let me know if you would like to be added to the ping list.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 5:23:52 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
sit down with some calming teas Jack and Coke.

Fixed it. ;)

/johnny

41 posted on 02/08/2013 5:33:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greeneyes; Marcella
I keep forgetting to ping Marco to these threads, and there's a lot here to learn from. Marco is a serious student when she sets out to do something. I know she's got some seeds, because I sent 'em to her. She's far enough south that she needs to be actively working the gardening thing now.

/johnny

42 posted on 02/08/2013 5:37:02 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Needs to be warm. How about a Hot Toddy?


43 posted on 02/08/2013 5:39:32 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper; marco

I keep forgetting to ping Marco to these threads, and there’s a lot here to learn from. Marco is a serious student when she sets out to do something. I know she’s got some seeds, because I sent ‘em to her. She’s far enough south that she needs to be actively working the gardening thing now.
/johnny

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Marco,

Let me know if you would like to be added to the weekly garden ping list.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 5:42:12 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Finding a good person to do repairs is a necessity for us - be it cars or other stuff. We like to use it for ever.


45 posted on 02/08/2013 6:11:43 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

LOL! Don’t think I have any Jack, but maybe I should see what would go good in a hot chocolate . . .


46 posted on 02/08/2013 6:17:31 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Ellendra
what would go good in a hot chocolate . . .

I'm actually doing some experimentation on a flavoring syrup made with coffee, chocolate, and tequila. It will be used in/with a bread pudding.

Of course, all the fun is cooked out of the tequila by the time the sauce is finished, but the flavors are very, very close to 'good, dammit'.

/johnny

47 posted on 02/08/2013 6:24:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ellendra

Congratulations on the job . . . and God be with you on the health issues. Have enjoyed your posts on the gardening thread . . . stay positive!


48 posted on 02/08/2013 6:38:45 PM PST by HopeandGlory (Hey, Liberals . . . PC died on 9/11 . . . GET USED TO IT!!!)
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To: All

Anyone have a better alternative than using peat pots for starting plants in a ‘greenhouse’(plastic lean-to)?
Not more expensive, a little more work is OK though.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 6:39:19 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Try a hot soldering iron on those Solo cups JR...


50 posted on 02/08/2013 6:47:47 PM PST by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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