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1 posted on 01/27/2013 12:05:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Seems like a strategy focused on retreating instead of advancing. We don’t need to preserve a slice of traditional America under glass in a museum, we need to restore the whole country.


2 posted on 01/27/2013 12:09:36 AM PST by Boogieman
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They wouldn't let ME in ... I'm rather enjoying retirement, piddling around with tools and wood and stuff I never had time to do except just daydream about.

I just completed a dog cart I envisioned and built out of schedule 40, for my wife and alpha Lab.

What? .. You want ME to ride that thing ??

/8^)

3 posted on 01/27/2013 12:19:56 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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He didn’t say anything about schools and I would be ... a bit cautious that it would be a Mormon endeavor.

I don’t have anything AGAINST Mormons... but I’m not one.


5 posted on 01/27/2013 12:32:11 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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I think our government would do their best to sabotage it, that’s what I think. Especially if it started to make THEIR model look bad.


6 posted on 01/27/2013 12:33:33 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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Something happened to Glenn after the election. He has done a great job of waking folks up and don't say he doesn't have guts. Seems now he doesn't want to think about the storm that's coming, for whatever reason. Maybe he is resigned to a possibility that nothing can be done to prevent what's about to happen. His morning radio show is more about meaningless prattle, Utopian dreaming and not mentioning Obama. I hope he breaks out of the funk. We need his smarts, warnings, and inspirational speeches more than ever now!

Let's go out swinging Glenn...

9 posted on 01/27/2013 1:26:38 AM PST by Errant
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“Independence, USA” seems to be Beck’s attempt to re-create the original Independence, Missouri, founded in the 1830’s by Mormon leader Joseph Smith. Smith said that Independence had been the site of the Garden of Eden and would be the New Jerusalem.


10 posted on 01/27/2013 1:30:10 AM PST by iowamark
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Is this Glenn’s own Agenda 21?


12 posted on 01/27/2013 2:01:17 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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That makes it easier for the government to bomb it out.


13 posted on 01/27/2013 2:11:08 AM PST by wastedyears (Obama and Democrats to Republicans: "LOL!")
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I like Utopia, Vendome which lives inside me.

Beck is promoting a utopian and insular society that is both exclusive for it’s clique and completely unwelcoming to protect the inhabitants of what should be an island, far removed society, distant and ineffective to influence change.

He should move to Utah or Northern Idaho...


14 posted on 01/27/2013 2:12:08 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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Glenn’s gone crazy.


18 posted on 01/27/2013 2:44:05 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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I say that although Beck considers himself some sort of messiah, the reality is that he’s just a self-promoting asshole.


20 posted on 01/27/2013 3:09:34 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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They already have Silver Dollar City outside Branson./s

Glenn wants to start his own cult. If his plans are good, why build new?

USE DETROIT-if the plan works there it will restore America, but integrate. If you don’t integrate, you do not have the solution.


22 posted on 01/27/2013 3:49:36 AM PST by huldah1776
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I think it sounds like a fine idea. I subscribe to The Blaze and stay up on what’s being planned. I see nothing wrong with having an area like this that can be used for learning and trying new things like energy, growing food, ... I’m sure the real history of this country will be preserved there with David Barton’s help and not the propaganda version the progressives are pushing on everyone. I don’t know why anyone would want to shoot this down.


23 posted on 01/27/2013 3:56:48 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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Although I used to be a big fan, these days, Beck kinda creeps me out. There egotists always come up with a theme park/resort kind of idea, remember the Bakers?


25 posted on 01/27/2013 4:19:46 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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Is Glenn Beck back to drinking Beck Beer? Or What? A Utopia? Beck claims he is a student of History.

Americas history on Utopia dreams
Massachusetts Bay Colony -(how did that socialist dream work out)
Amana Colonies (Iowa), Hutterites (North Dakota) Oneida (Ohio)
Mormon Cities Navvou, Illinois, Independence, Missouri and Salt Lake City, Utah
Zion, Illinois
Jim Jones Cult in Central America
Branch Davidian Waco Texas
Numerous Polygmyist Cults


27 posted on 01/27/2013 4:31:52 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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Celebration, Florida. it's been done(kinda). the problems with these ideas are never the architecture or zoning, etc. It's human nature. Hard to have a utopia with human nature being what it is. my .002

CC

40 posted on 01/27/2013 6:18:29 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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Isn’t this how America began?

Sure, the Pilgrims could’ve stayed home and fought the tyrants - and lost. But instead, when they saw a chance for self-government and freedom, they took it in spite of the cost.

There’s a good deal of bashing of “closed communities” on FreeRepublic. HOAs are a great example. Yet despite their flaws and occasional abuses of power, these are at least attempts at self-government. Why should that be so objectionable on a site like this, where we rail constantly against big government?

Beck’s experiment might turn out like the disappointing “Free State Project”, which aimed at a political takeover of New Hampshire to promote freedom. Libertarians screwed that up, it seems; and Beck leans in the same direction. The Pilgrims weren’t so foolish, so they at least avoided one major poison of freedom.

The ability - and the right - of self-government are the underlying principles of the Declaration and the Revolution. They’re not “utopian”; they are what permit and promote freedom and a free republic.

I never cared much for Beck’s radio show. But from what I saw of him when he was on Fox, this Independence, USA idea fits the direction he was headed. We might not agree with that direction, but at least he’s not one to sit still a la Rush or Boortz, et al.


42 posted on 01/27/2013 6:22:28 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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How does Glenn propose to keep Galt’s Gultch out of the reach of the Fed, State, and County governments? They will still control everything just like living in any other USA city - wouldn't they? Would the city secede from the USA and the state?
46 posted on 01/27/2013 7:07:25 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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These types of ideas for self-sustaining communities are based on great Patriotic ideas for the most part, but should be started at the most local levels of communities all around the nation, instead of one new giant utopia. Prepare your local community to survive and fight what's coming

Those who live in counties with Sheriffs who have pledged not to enforce unconstitutional laws must now ask them if they will protect residents against federal law enforcement who attempt to enforce those laws. Then a plan of dealing with that situation should be talked about. Local law enforcement and armed residents need to be organized to work together.

While the msm has smeared the word “militia”, and has changed the way they are viewed by many, they are still important. There have been some great modern advances within the patriot movement based on that, but I wonder if too much organization has been lost by the real fear of being compromised by the government. A much larger number of smaller less public militias made up of neighbors, built on the same model as a neighborhood watch, seems like a good idea. These types of militias can't be expected to have the quality of a military combat unit, but neither did most militias from our past.

I think organization is needed at some level to keep order among everyone. This local organization may just include some friends and family, but is something I see as crucial. Many will need to provide some leadership for those people around them in the immediate aftermath of a sudden event. Even some of those who think they are prepared will panic when they get cut off overnight.

www.OathKeepers.org

50 posted on 01/27/2013 8:02:32 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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Never work because limited government means no kick back to the senate and congress critters,and lobbyists would be out of a job.


57 posted on 01/27/2013 10:40:37 AM PST by Vaduz
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