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Inside Independence, USA, Glenn Beck’s proposed self-sustaining city and theme-park hybrid
The National Post ^ | January 22, 2013 | Katrina Clarke

Posted on 01/27/2013 12:05:12 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

There has been a Utopia, Ohio, and there still exists a Utopia, Texas. In a country with a long history of creating idealistic communities, America may soon see another added into the mix — a city rooted in America’s past, or at least Glenn Beck’s version of it.

Mr. Beck, the outspoken conservative U.S. media personality and commentator, this month outlined his proposition to create a self-sustaining city and theme park hybrid. Independence, USA represents a harkening back to a time of a simpler America and would be built on values he sees the country as now “going away from” — freedom, truth and responsibility,

“It is the rebirth of our nation through its own principles,” Mr. Beck said on his syndicated Glenn Beck program. “You can come here and we will show you the truth of the ideas and the ideals that created this country.”

His proposed $2-billion city would be based on a free-market, limited government model. No location has been pegged down, but Mr. Beck has visited “three possible sites in three different states” and has spoken to two governors, said Mr. Beck’s TheBlaze TV website.

The self-sustaining city would include a ranch for food production, a media centre, a multi-denominational mission centre, a theme park, a research and development centre, a library, parks and baseball diamonds. It would have a communal marketplace that would serve as a public space for conducting small business and sharing ideas. Americans could either live in the city’s residential area or just come to visit.

The concept was partly inspired by Galt’s Gultch, the utopian community in Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged, and by past initiatives proposed by Walt Disney...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...


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1 posted on 01/27/2013 12:05:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems like a strategy focused on retreating instead of advancing. We don’t need to preserve a slice of traditional America under glass in a museum, we need to restore the whole country.


2 posted on 01/27/2013 12:09:36 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They wouldn't let ME in ... I'm rather enjoying retirement, piddling around with tools and wood and stuff I never had time to do except just daydream about.

I just completed a dog cart I envisioned and built out of schedule 40, for my wife and alpha Lab.

What? .. You want ME to ride that thing ??

/8^)

3 posted on 01/27/2013 12:19:56 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Boogieman

So what is your plan to restore the whole country? How are you going to undo one hundred years of Progressive transformation of this country? If you go to Glenn Beck’s web sites you can get a pretty good picture of what has been done to this country, who has done it, and how they did it. After you understand that, then you have to come up with a way to undo it all without a full scale revolution, because the Progressives are counting on chaos to finalize their control of the country.


4 posted on 01/27/2013 12:21:53 AM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He didn’t say anything about schools and I would be ... a bit cautious that it would be a Mormon endeavor.

I don’t have anything AGAINST Mormons... but I’m not one.


5 posted on 01/27/2013 12:32:11 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think our government would do their best to sabotage it, that’s what I think. Especially if it started to make THEIR model look bad.


6 posted on 01/27/2013 12:33:33 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

What happened to real men? All I ever see on articles like this is “they won’t let us do it, so we might as well give up now!” and similar.


7 posted on 01/27/2013 12:51:44 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here here!!
I’m very leery of a model of a utopian cloistered society, no matter who proposes it. Its a slippery slope that (to me, anyway)’ sounds cult-ish.

My town IS my front line.


8 posted on 01/27/2013 1:26:23 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Something happened to Glenn after the election. He has done a great job of waking folks up and don't say he doesn't have guts. Seems now he doesn't want to think about the storm that's coming, for whatever reason. Maybe he is resigned to a possibility that nothing can be done to prevent what's about to happen. His morning radio show is more about meaningless prattle, Utopian dreaming and not mentioning Obama. I hope he breaks out of the funk. We need his smarts, warnings, and inspirational speeches more than ever now!

Let's go out swinging Glenn...

9 posted on 01/27/2013 1:26:38 AM PST by Errant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Independence, USA” seems to be Beck’s attempt to re-create the original Independence, Missouri, founded in the 1830’s by Mormon leader Joseph Smith. Smith said that Independence had been the site of the Garden of Eden and would be the New Jerusalem.


10 posted on 01/27/2013 1:30:10 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Winstons Julia

“..a bit cautious that it would be a Mormon endeavor.”

So what. Then you just don’t go there.....DUH.


11 posted on 01/27/2013 1:50:40 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this Glenn’s own Agenda 21?


12 posted on 01/27/2013 2:01:17 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That makes it easier for the government to bomb it out.


13 posted on 01/27/2013 2:11:08 AM PST by wastedyears (Obama and Democrats to Republicans: "LOL!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like Utopia, Vendome which lives inside me.

Beck is promoting a utopian and insular society that is both exclusive for it’s clique and completely unwelcoming to protect the inhabitants of what should be an island, far removed society, distant and ineffective to influence change.

He should move to Utah or Northern Idaho...


14 posted on 01/27/2013 2:12:08 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

America was founded on ideas like this.

Expansion, “Go West Young Man”, “Wagons Ho”, Lewis & Clark, Mormons, Pilgrims, our Founding Fathers, etc.

All these pioneers shared the idea that they could create a better life for their families while exercising their God-given right to choose their own course.

The right to worship as they wish.

The right to defend their family and self.

Their right to exist as free men.

It’s when we STOP saying to ourselves “How can I make things better” that we will know our American spirit is dead.

Beck is an Ameri-CAN. Good luck, Mr. Beck!


15 posted on 01/27/2013 2:22:16 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: Errant
I agree with you. The nonsensical chit-chat of Glen, Pat and Stu is irritating day in and day out. And who the heck cares if they mention obozo’s name during the broadcast..such a waste of air time,when they could be spending it on how to handle what is coming our way. Glenn is non-confrontational..to a point. But he still preaches a no-confrontation approach to obozo’s dictates.

Glenn's done a damn good job of educating us with his blackboards...he was the first to do so, he has great guests with ample cred to explain fully it all, and he continues to do so on this level. He also wanted to make contact with our youth in schools...he wanted to reach the culture that has taken hold of so many people. I don't know how far he has come along on that score...I don't subscribe to BlazeTV as yet, but we are going to do so...I do miss it, BUT I want nothing to do with Pay Pal, and that is the only payment system he wants to deal with.

I will have to read further about Glenn's proposed Independence, USA. Is it wise for him to spend large amounts of money on a project such as this? I don't know...the jury is out on this one. But, whatever the outcome, we will continue to stand with Glenn, and agree with you, Errant, that he comes out of his funk. We need the old Glenn BACK and NOW.

16 posted on 01/27/2013 2:22:24 AM PST by itssme
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To: itssme

Which old Beck? There is more than one.


17 posted on 01/27/2013 2:38:02 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Glenn’s gone crazy.


18 posted on 01/27/2013 2:44:05 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: panaxanax

How did Mormonism get dragged into this conversation?


19 posted on 01/27/2013 3:02:12 AM PST by Morris70
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I say that although Beck considers himself some sort of messiah, the reality is that he’s just a self-promoting asshole.


20 posted on 01/27/2013 3:09:34 AM PST by metesky (Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
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To: PghBaldy
Read posts #9 and #16 again. Our first contact with Glenn both on TV and radio, the Glenn who researched and brought us the truth of who obozo really is, and of course, Soros, the czars, just to name a few...this is the Glenn we're talking about. When he's good, he very good. But he gets sidetracked like some of us do at one time or another. We want the original Glenn back.
21 posted on 01/27/2013 3:23:43 AM PST by itssme
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They already have Silver Dollar City outside Branson./s

Glenn wants to start his own cult. If his plans are good, why build new?

USE DETROIT-if the plan works there it will restore America, but integrate. If you don’t integrate, you do not have the solution.


22 posted on 01/27/2013 3:49:36 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it sounds like a fine idea. I subscribe to The Blaze and stay up on what’s being planned. I see nothing wrong with having an area like this that can be used for learning and trying new things like energy, growing food, ... I’m sure the real history of this country will be preserved there with David Barton’s help and not the propaganda version the progressives are pushing on everyone. I don’t know why anyone would want to shoot this down.


23 posted on 01/27/2013 3:56:48 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: huldah1776

Belle Isle: Motown’s Monaco-Developer envisions independent commonwealth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2978109/posts


24 posted on 01/27/2013 4:03:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Although I used to be a big fan, these days, Beck kinda creeps me out. There egotists always come up with a theme park/resort kind of idea, remember the Bakers?


25 posted on 01/27/2013 4:19:46 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: itssme

I have noticed a change in Rush also. Although he makes fun of being “non threathening”, he has become a bit of a wimp. He seems to be using satire much more and pokes fun at the issues.

I think it is because of the fight or flight response. We are at the stage where we either have to fight (shed blood)or fly (ridicule, etc. but not actually do anything).

The new approach makes us feel good. Yea, we really told them!...High Five. Much easier than a couple to a brain pan.

And I confess, I ain’t gonna be the first to pull.

We have to use the “process”. Take back the schools, get involved in local elections, talk this baby back on track.


26 posted on 01/27/2013 4:27:45 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Glenn Beck back to drinking Beck Beer? Or What? A Utopia? Beck claims he is a student of History.

Americas history on Utopia dreams
Massachusetts Bay Colony -(how did that socialist dream work out)
Amana Colonies (Iowa), Hutterites (North Dakota) Oneida (Ohio)
Mormon Cities Navvou, Illinois, Independence, Missouri and Salt Lake City, Utah
Zion, Illinois
Jim Jones Cult in Central America
Branch Davidian Waco Texas
Numerous Polygmyist Cults


27 posted on 01/27/2013 4:31:52 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: panaxanax

Who put the itchin’ powder in YOUR britches?


28 posted on 01/27/2013 4:46:03 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Morris70; Winstons Julia

“How did Mormonism get dragged into this conversation?”

Ask Winstons Julia (post #5)


29 posted on 01/27/2013 4:49:11 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: Winstons Julia

You did in your post #5.

Wondering why YOU had to bring it up?


30 posted on 01/27/2013 4:52:51 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

Just to make it easier for the both of you, I am posting Winstons Julia’s full post #5 below:
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“He didn’t say anything about schools and I would be ... a bit cautious that it would be a Mormon endeavor.”

“I don’t have anything AGAINST Mormons... but I’m not one.”

nuff said?


31 posted on 01/27/2013 4:58:50 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: panaxanax

Plenty of other folks here did, too.

Mormons can be cultish.


32 posted on 01/27/2013 5:06:47 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: panaxanax

Seriously? You need to post about MY post three times even though OTHERS have posted about Mormonism here?

Mormon much?


33 posted on 01/27/2013 5:09:34 AM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Errant

“Something happened to Glenn after the election. He has done a great job of waking folks up and don’t say he doesn’t have guts. Seems now he doesn’t want to think about the storm that’s coming, for whatever reason. Maybe he is resigned to a possibility that nothing can be done to prevent what’s about to happen. His morning radio show is more about meaningless prattle, Utopian dreaming and not mentioning Obama. I hope he breaks out of the funk. We need his smarts, warnings, and inspirational speeches more than ever now!”

I DO NOT see any hope for the lost or this country anymore myself. I pray and stand talk when the world wants to lean the other way. I understand the veil that is covering their mind so they can not see ( or get it) that the bible talks about...so I pray and leave the results in God’s hand.
I have been blessed to hear Rabbi Cahn talk about the Harbinger and know that God is talking to our country and I hope we repent but seeing that as a country we are going farther into the abyss I know that unless God does a miracle our country is dead. Good is bad bad is good, we make no sense anymore,,,,,,I would be for living near like minded people and as the bible says “come out from among yea”


34 posted on 01/27/2013 5:10:20 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes...seems to be way too many “surrender” articles and not enough “take a stand” articles.

We did not retreat from the Brits, Spanish, Germans, Soviets....the heck I am retreating from liberals, illegals, criminals, etc.. Bring it on


35 posted on 01/27/2013 5:32:40 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Errant

Rush seems to have changed since the election as well.


36 posted on 01/27/2013 5:53:41 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Boogieman

Sounds like he’s trying to make it a shining city on the hill to give an example of how liberty works best for everybody. I’d rather start with an existing city.


37 posted on 01/27/2013 6:04:57 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: Boogieman

Beck has an ego as big, if not bigger, than Obama. He’s wants his own little Jonestown, and to set himself up as messiah of it. You really think he’s just going to buy a huge plot of land and then let anyone of any walk in life just move in with no strings attached? Glenn used to give great information and did wake up people as to whats going on, but after his conversion to Mormonism he’s a totally different guy. Yes his morning show is total garbage. I hate Stu and Pat and the little bit of time I tune in, I hear nothing of substance.


38 posted on 01/27/2013 6:07:20 AM PST by eak3
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To: Winstons Julia

“Plenty of other folks here did, too.”

You were the first, missy and I only responded that Mormons (along with other pioneers) were people that sought a better life.

Somehow that angered you. I think you have a problem.

Grow up.


39 posted on 01/27/2013 6:16:41 AM PST by panaxanax
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Celebration, Florida. it's been done(kinda). the problems with these ideas are never the architecture or zoning, etc. It's human nature. Hard to have a utopia with human nature being what it is. my .002

CC

40 posted on 01/27/2013 6:18:29 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: Hardastarboard
Rush seems to have changed since the election as well.

Both have seen their advertisers get bullied-away.

41 posted on 01/27/2013 6:18:47 AM PST by Does so (Progressives Don't Know the Meaning of INFRINGED...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Isn’t this how America began?

Sure, the Pilgrims could’ve stayed home and fought the tyrants - and lost. But instead, when they saw a chance for self-government and freedom, they took it in spite of the cost.

There’s a good deal of bashing of “closed communities” on FreeRepublic. HOAs are a great example. Yet despite their flaws and occasional abuses of power, these are at least attempts at self-government. Why should that be so objectionable on a site like this, where we rail constantly against big government?

Beck’s experiment might turn out like the disappointing “Free State Project”, which aimed at a political takeover of New Hampshire to promote freedom. Libertarians screwed that up, it seems; and Beck leans in the same direction. The Pilgrims weren’t so foolish, so they at least avoided one major poison of freedom.

The ability - and the right - of self-government are the underlying principles of the Declaration and the Revolution. They’re not “utopian”; they are what permit and promote freedom and a free republic.

I never cared much for Beck’s radio show. But from what I saw of him when he was on Fox, this Independence, USA idea fits the direction he was headed. We might not agree with that direction, but at least he’s not one to sit still a la Rush or Boortz, et al.


42 posted on 01/27/2013 6:22:28 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Gadsden1st
It's time for all real Patriots who hold influence to start admitting the truth about our current situation, and start talking about realistic solutions outside the broken system.

The politicians and commentators who were willing to place themselves in these leadership roles in the past are now obligated to risk their lifestyles to tell the truth. Those who continue to spread false hope even now are only helping the enemy.

The Drudge Report was reporting a lot of great headlines, and related pictures that weren't politically correct, but were accurate to the times we face. Now it looks like they have backed off of that approach. I don't know why.

Conservatives can't fear being blamed for things just because they are telling the truth. The msm will slander them regardless, and if it only takes one person to destroy a movement then we are doomed to fail. The msm is the enemy, and it's a formidable one.

www.OathKeepers.org

43 posted on 01/27/2013 6:22:35 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: SeminoleCounty
*** We did not retreat from the Brits, Spanish, Germans, Soviets ....the heck I am retreating from liberals, illegals, criminals, etc.. Bring it on ***


44 posted on 01/27/2013 6:27:12 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: SueRae

‘zackly.
Southern Man don’t need him around, anyhow...


45 posted on 01/27/2013 6:52:05 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How does Glenn propose to keep Galt’s Gultch out of the reach of the Fed, State, and County governments? They will still control everything just like living in any other USA city - wouldn't they? Would the city secede from the USA and the state?
46 posted on 01/27/2013 7:07:25 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: LearsFool

While there might be a “coming storm”. Maybe what the Pilgrims did is closer to what conservative minded Patriots can do. We are being persecuted, or will be. If there was a civil war, what would the sides be, and would we ever be able to re-establish the ideals of the founding fathers successfully again. I have serious doubts about that point. I just think there is way to many takers and now socialists.

I think Pat Buchanan is right this country will Balkanize along political idealogies and racial as well.


47 posted on 01/27/2013 7:08:27 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: LearsFool
*** There’s a good deal of bashing of “closed communities” on FreeRepublic. HOAs are a great example. Yet despite their flaws and occasional abuses of power, these are at least attempts at self-government.***

You Betcha

Since my bride and I bought this, our one and only home, we have lived under the rules and bylaws of an *evil* HOA. And ... tada ... we've loved it! Those rules and bylaws were in fact the reason we decided to buy and stay here for 35 years while we raised our family. And we ain't planning on going anytime soon.

People forgot or overlook the fact that an HOA: Home Owners Association, is made up by .. duh .. our fellow neighbors and homeowners. And any one of us can run during the yearly election to be on the board of said *evil* association. And at the monthly meetings we can freely attend and VOTE on any proposed changes.

Has it all been a bed of roses and a perfect utopia during those years, no. Some years there were real jackwagons on the board but they didn't last long. On the other hand we also don't have Cars up on blocks in the front of our homes, Pink garage doors, Broken windows, or Pickup Trucks used as swimming pools.

So you're spot on, WE have as best can be, a self governing community of like minded people. And it's a DIVERSE one with every race, creed, color, age group, and 'persuasion' represented. Our street, a cul-de-sac, is a mini United Nations --- except we all get along. And those that can't and couldn't -- moved.

Natch I typically stay off those HOA bashing threads.

48 posted on 01/27/2013 7:25:19 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ThermoNuclearWarrior

Conservatives lost the election, probably because a few million conservatives who voted for Bush stayed home and perhaps a million military votes weren’t received in time. Democrat votes were inflated by the dead, the felons and the illegal aliens. If all of this was undone, Romney might have squeaked in a victory.
The truth is that it would barely be a victory. And with demographic shifts such as DREAM Act and erosion of the conservative population via entitlements and public schools, we’re losing a culture war.
I wonder if we’re approaching the point of Conservative ghettos and rural enclaves, because being conservative disqualifies you from certain jobs, workplaces, etc.
I don’t think Glenn has put enough thought into an economic model or base for his planned community. I do think the conservative enclaves are a good alternatives. We have American Heritage Girls as a relatively new, traditional alternative to Girl Scouts; Boy Scouts still stand. We have private schools, and home schooling is on the rise. Like-minded communities are a bastion from the increasingly hostile society.


49 posted on 01/27/2013 7:54:46 AM PST by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
These types of ideas for self-sustaining communities are based on great Patriotic ideas for the most part, but should be started at the most local levels of communities all around the nation, instead of one new giant utopia. Prepare your local community to survive and fight what's coming

Those who live in counties with Sheriffs who have pledged not to enforce unconstitutional laws must now ask them if they will protect residents against federal law enforcement who attempt to enforce those laws. Then a plan of dealing with that situation should be talked about. Local law enforcement and armed residents need to be organized to work together.

While the msm has smeared the word “militia”, and has changed the way they are viewed by many, they are still important. There have been some great modern advances within the patriot movement based on that, but I wonder if too much organization has been lost by the real fear of being compromised by the government. A much larger number of smaller less public militias made up of neighbors, built on the same model as a neighborhood watch, seems like a good idea. These types of militias can't be expected to have the quality of a military combat unit, but neither did most militias from our past.

I think organization is needed at some level to keep order among everyone. This local organization may just include some friends and family, but is something I see as crucial. Many will need to provide some leadership for those people around them in the immediate aftermath of a sudden event. Even some of those who think they are prepared will panic when they get cut off overnight.

www.OathKeepers.org

50 posted on 01/27/2013 8:02:32 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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