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Negative narrative about Penn State starting to change, Franco Harris says
The Morning Call ^ | 1-26-13 | Mark Wogenrich

Posted on 01/26/2013 9:52:14 PM PST by FlJoePa

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To: BlackElk

Whatever. Trashing Freeh does not make Paterno any less responsible for what he did or did not do. I don’t care much for any of the people involved in covering for Sandusky and I hope they all face justice.

51 posted on 01/30/2013 10:18:13 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: jospehm20
You don't seem to get the point. Freeh is now a private lawyer. He was hired by the poobahs at Penn State who wanted to scapegoat Paterno and protect themselves. He was paid a lot of money (taxpayer's money) at the direction of the poohbahs and he delivered what he was paid to deliver. It wasn't investigation. It seems to have been advocacy. Freeh's work does not make Paterno responsible for anything either.

Assuming that Paterno was ever guilty of anything at all, it is too late to punish him now, If he was innocent of anything, he ought not to have been punished for such an anything. Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and others are still available. Ignore the sideshow created by Spanier and the Penn State Poobahs. Focus on those still punishable. Then maybe they WILL all face justice. Courts cannot indict the dead.

52 posted on 01/30/2013 10:31:54 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk

So when Paterno himself said he did not do enough to stop Sandusky, he was lying to set himself up? You can believe that if you want to. I’ll just go with what I believe.

53 posted on 01/30/2013 10:50:37 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Lakeshark
If I am an old fool (and I certainly am not as young as once I was), I am an old fool in love with DUE PROCESS OF LAW. It is in every copy of our constitution, even yours.

See #52.

Paterno did what he was required to do and did not do what the university required him not to do. He honored the rule of law and the rules of his employment contract. He did not go on a personal crusade without adequate evidence as you apparently would have preferred. You were disappointed. Toooooo bad! Welcome to the wonderful world of academia and its carefully constructed Fantasyland.

The courts can neither indict nor convict nor criminally punish the dead. If you REALLY care so much about the child raping done by Sandusky, then, now that he is safely behind bars functionally forever (too bad he could not be executed), it is time to turn your attention to the living perps or those who may have been perps (kiddie rapers and cover up artists alike, university officials, Second Mile Foundation, etc., and particularly Spanier).

As to Paterno's innocence, he is and was innicent until PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Again, that is well-settled law in all 50 states. He is dead and it is too late. Further, you purport to know just what it was that Paterno "knew." Neither you nor I nor anyone else here "know" any such thing as what Paterno KNEW. Even if Paterno SAID he knew, and even if he were not dead, you would have to get that testimony by the hearer into evidence under a valid hearsay exception. Do you have some kind of machine that is a psychic detector of what Paterno "knew?" I have never heard of such a device being allowed into testimony or to testify.

The "life changing stuff" WAS disgusting and as vile as it gets. That was the stuff that Sandusky DID to the kids according to the jury that rendered the verdict AFTER he received due process of law and legal representation, etc. The trial court just yesterday rejected defense motions to set aside the verdict on a defense claim of inadequate time to prepare his defense before the trial. Your unsupported planted axioms after "as vile as it gets" don't make a shred of difference. They are not evidence of anything but of your passions and temper tantrum.

I note that you have a remarkable reluctance to go after Spanier and the other administrators at Penn State. You too would only be satisfied by the celebrity scalp offered to you by Spanier and the trustees and the administrators who have been indicted. And you think I drink the kool aid big time??? Don't go to law school. You have no future in the legal profession and little capacity for discernment.

54 posted on 01/30/2013 11:04:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: jospehm20

I did not do enough to stop Charlie Manson and prevent the Tate-LaBianca murders. Of course, I have yet to set foot in California. I have no doubt that you will go with what you believe and that other than perfunctory remarks, you will continue to concentrate your concern on the dead and unavailable celebrity scalp. Somewhere, Graham Spanier thanks you for taking the bait.

55 posted on 01/30/2013 11:07:57 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: jospehm20; Lakeshark

Good night, gentlemen.

56 posted on 01/30/2013 11:09:18 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: BlackElk

That is not a valid comparison. Did you know Charles Manson? Were you aware of what he was doing and then help cover it up afterwards? Paterno knew Sandusky, was aware of what he was doing and he helped cover it up. See the difference?

57 posted on 01/30/2013 11:32:26 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: FlJoePa

From the Immaculate Reception to the Immaculate Deception, huh, Franco?

58 posted on 01/31/2013 4:25:26 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: FlJoePa

The whole mess is stomach turning, Paterno stayed too long, he was surrounded by a bunch of hero-worshiping people who most probably knew he could no longer manage the entire program.

During the first part of the breaking story, I heard a sports reporter (don’t remember who) talk about trying to cover Penn State football. He said that he had covered many teams, big time college teams and had never had any problem getting into the football facilities. The exception was Penn State. He more or less said that it was so closed and secretive that getting near anyone in charge was near impossible.

That lead me to believe that Paterno was being covered 24/7 by syncophants and yes men & hero worshipers.

Paterno should have retired 20 years ago and this should be a lesson to all coaches. Paterno failed because he was too old, had his tail covered by people who believed he could do no wrong, nor needed to hear of any wrong being done.

59 posted on 01/31/2013 7:56:53 AM PST by alarm rider (Basically, we are toast.)
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To: BlackElk
The requirement you speak of, for the crime that was done was a bare minimum of what someone with his knowledge should do, it was hugely and embarrassingly a minimum of what anyone should do in that case.

Defending that minimum is flat out wrong, it's like saying Bambi or Hillary did no wrong at Benghazi. They were just so busy with more important things.......

I mean, "who cares?"


Wrong. Absolutely, positively wrong.

60 posted on 01/31/2013 8:16:50 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: jospehm20; Uncle Chip
Some new resources: A story on Franco's D.C. gathering done by the Washington Times.

Also, the presentations (in slide show form) by the speakers at the event.

The timeline from Eileen Morgan's freeh rebuttal is very informative. No activity from 2001-2008. None. Only one instance that JVP was made aware of (mcqueary) before 2011. And yet all we hear is "he knew and allowed this to go on for years"..."blah, blah, blah..." The facts are right there and they tell a far different story. Read them.

61 posted on 01/31/2013 10:57:20 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

This is quite enlightening:

Who really failed to “report” the 2001 incident?

You’re probably arguing with those who really failed to report the 2001 incident and want to keep the finger of blame off of them.

62 posted on 01/31/2013 12:16:57 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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