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Negative narrative about Penn State starting to change, Franco Harris says
The Morning Call ^ | 1-26-13 | Mark Wogenrich

Posted on 01/26/2013 9:52:14 PM PST by FlJoePa

Franco Harris doesn't believe the NCAA sanctions against Penn State will stand, nor is he convinced that the trials of former Penn State officials will occur. Further, the former Penn State running back said, he sees opinions shifting about his alma mater's role in the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

"The narrative is starting to change," Harris said Friday. "The [grand jury] presentment and the Freeh Report are falling apart. The NCAA [sanctions], that will fall apart. There will be no trials for [Tim] Curley and [Gary] Schultz. There's no case. We're starting to find the truth."

More than 200 turned out Friday in King of Prussia for an event Harris hosted and funded, presenting a defense of Penn State and late football coach Joe Paterno. "Upon Further Review: Penn State One Year Later" offered a critical look at the Sandusky investigation, former FBI Director Louis Freeh's findings and the media's coverage of the entire scandal.

It was the second of three such sessions, and Harris said he hopes to schedule more in the future. The first was held last December in Pittsburgh. Another is scheduled for Saturday night near Washington, D.C.

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To: FlJoePa

Joe should have run a clean program and not allowed perverts in the locker room

21 posted on 01/27/2013 6:45:01 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: FlJoePa
The narrative actually is shifting.

Riiiight ...... because, as we all know, Grand Juries lie all the time, right?

Uh, no. The narrative is not shifting .... Penn State, including Paterno, WAS an enabler of Sandusky's abuse and thus they DO deserve to be punished.

Time for you, and Franco Harris, to get your heads out of the sand and face reality.

22 posted on 01/27/2013 6:47:11 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: BlackElk

“About ten years ago, the elected Centre County prosecutor was investigating Sandusky. He stayed late in his office on a Friday night, was observed leaving his office with his laptop and getting in his own car. He was never seen again. The laptop, its hard drive utterly destroyed was found in a river bed not to far from Bellefont. No one seems overly interested in that cold case. Why not? When I practiced criminal defense law in Connecticut, if a prosecutor disappeared under such circumstances, the state and local police would not have rested from the moment of disappearance, the body would have been recovered and the perps brought to justice. That would be the same in almost any jurisdiction in the country. “

You are 200% percent correct that in any normal jurisdiction this “mystery” would be solved and no stone left unturned. This stinks to high heaven.

23 posted on 01/27/2013 6:49:57 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: jospehm20
"I do know that Mike McQueary testified to a Grand Jury that he told Paterno in 2002 that he personally witnessed Sandusky having anal sex with a young boy in the shower at the Lasch Football Building at Penn State."

That's according to the exaggerated GJ presentment, not the actual testimony. It just isn't true. Dr. Dranov (a mandatory reporter) asked mm 3 times that night "was there anything sexual?" and got 3 no's back from mm. MM's testimony is still sealed, but Franco asked him point blank what he told Joe and mm told him he told Joe basically nothing. I guess Franco's a liar now too?

24 posted on 01/27/2013 6:57:41 AM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa

It’s a nice attempt at a deflection, but Paterno stated, as shown in the investigation that he knew the nature of the incident “...WAS SEXUAL IN NATURE...”

The screen shot is even shown in this propaganda video, lol.

25 posted on 01/27/2013 7:46:36 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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To: FlJoePa

That is not what he testified at the trial.
Maybe you believe what Franco claims he was told by McQueary holds more weight than his testimony under oath in court. I do not. Of course Franco could not lie, former pro football players are all awesome and upstanding folks. Everybody knows that.

26 posted on 01/27/2013 9:58:42 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: Old Sarge

Pedo State should be bulldozed to the ground and then nuked from orbit, just to be sure. Paterno’s statue should be shipped to the Ft. Sill Artillery Range and used for target practice.

27 posted on 01/27/2013 12:48:01 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Better idea: melt the Paterno statue down and use the metal for musket balls.

We’re gonna need ‘em...

28 posted on 01/27/2013 8:33:09 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: jospehm20; ontap
In 2010, many years after the incident that McQueary sort of "witnessed," not actually seeing the sexual abuse of the child but merely hearing slapping sounds coming from the shower room which we may, arguendo, assume here to be the sounds of sexual abuse of a minor prepubescent boy, McQueary testified. By that time Paterno had the lung cancer that killed him and was 86 years old or thereabouts.

I think Paterno should have notified the police as well. But which police??? Certainly not the campus police. Penn State's CYA (for Penn State) rules required that he report only to designated superiors in the university who were NOT sworn officers. Then the university rules provided that it was his superiors who would make the decisions as to whether to notify the campus cops and that no other law enforcement personnel be notified. Can you spell institutionalized coverup????

Given the obvious passion of PSU president Graham Spanier to make PSU a haven for gay everything (draw your own conclusions as to that!) which he announced upon his appointment as PSU president in about 1995, he was obviously reluctant to blow the whistle on Sandusky for behavior that Spanier probably viewed as an understandable "alternative sexual preference" for pre-pubescent boys on the part of the long in the tooth pervert monster Sandusky. It is only the "bitter clingers," the Bible beaters and the gun nuts and those pro-lifers who would object to Sandusky's cutting edge advancements in human "sexuality." Unfortunately for that "gay" blade Sandusky, his jury apparently shared the objections of the bitter clingers, etc. Hopefully Spanier's jury will be relentless in following in their footsteps. Likewise the juries that will judge the two university bureaucrats to whom Paterno DID report. There is not a jury in Pennsylvania's Bellefont and Centre County that would convict Joe Paterno for the very good reason that HE VIOLATED NO LAW. He was not a mandatory reporter. He also witnessed absolutely NOTHING personally.

McQueary is STILL on the football program payroll. Outside of PSU, no one knows McQueary and no one cares what happens to him. He cares about that paycheck. IF he witnessed the sexual assault even by hearing it, it was his job to put a stop to it then and there, report it to law enforcement authorities (again a violation of university rules but never mind) and take responsibility for his own accusations. Joe Paterno was not his lawyer, not his daddy, not his servant, not required in any way to become an advocate for McQueary and his theory. He also was not a mandatory reporter as to child abuse and particularly not mandated to report that MacQueary thinks he heard a sexual assault in the shower room.

However, since Joe Paterno is dead and is nationally known, he is a convenient scapegoat and dead horse to beat to take attention away from the living perps. Left wing sportswriters who imagine their job to be sitting in "moral judgment" according to the prejudices of the left are not very fond of Joe Paterno's life and legacy. He was a conservative ethnic man who took real responsibility for his players, was never politically trendy, and whose devotion to on the field excellence showed in his results on the field. All in all, Joe Paterno was a perfect target for the Keith Olbermans not because he was guilty of anything but because he was one of the very best coaches in the business. He is being hanged for his virtues and not for any sins.

The local elected prosecutor Ray Gricar disappeared in 2005 with his laptop and in his car while apparently investigating Sandusky under circumstances that suggest the prosecutor was murdered but the case goes cold and neither the politicians nor the university officials nor even the subsequent prosecutors nor many relevant law enforcement operations seem to give a sh*t. I am going to go out on a limb here and speculate that Ray Gricar was not murdered by Sandusky who was probably too busy raping little boys. The circumstances suggest rather that more important folks have seen to it that no one cares to find Gricar and find out who killed him. Nationally Gricar was a nobody. Locally, he was an important somebody. Something is verrrry wrong in Happy Valley and ought not to be ignored.

29 posted on 01/28/2013 12:43:01 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: BlackElk

Paterno was aware of the 1998 investigation of Sandusky for molesting boys. When McQueary told him of the new incident in 2002 it s not like there was a blank slate. McQueary may not have known about the previous incident but Paterno knew. I really have a problem with that because Paterno seemed like a real good guy in everything else but his behavior in this matter was, to me, simply abhorrent. I have read a little about Gricar. It is pretty suspicious what happened to him.

30 posted on 01/28/2013 3:24:02 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: BlackElk

“If only Uncle Joe knew this was going on”

31 posted on 01/28/2013 7:19:39 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: BlackElk
It's a shame you're drinking this kool aid that Paterno was fully innocent and didn't know anything.

The truth is, he had to have known to some degree, he likely knew to a great degree, the evidence is there for anyone to find, but you seem incapable of looking.

He was a great coach, spectacular on the field and with his players; we will never know to what degree he failed as a man, but unfortunately the best you can say about him in this matter is he was too busy to deal with the plight of a bunch of young boys being exploited by a pedophile who was his former very famous assistant, the former face of Penn State defense, the coach who made them linebackerU.

That's not a good thing to remember is your best as a man......

32 posted on 01/28/2013 7:35:41 PM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
I read the grand jury report which was published in full by the New York Times. I read the report of a retired PSU trustee who was coming out of retirement seeking to return specifically over this disgraceful episode. Did you read either in full? I suspect not or you would not post as you have. What you have is speculation and, based upon that speculation, you are laying major blame on Joe Paterno. According to the rules of the university which bound him by contract, Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do.

You can argue that he should have violated the university rules and personally brought the matter to the attention of some law enforcement authority and certainly that is an emotionally satisfying position. It does not get the job done.

First, the only law enforcement that MIGHT have taken a report was the Pennsylvania State University Police Department. They are sworn officers who are under the jurisdiction of the two CIVILIAN university authorities to whom he reported: Curley and Schultz (???)(in any event the two who are indicted and pending trial for covering up the matter. They in turn were subordinates of lavender queen enabling Graham Spanier who was everybody's boss at Penn State. He needs to be indicted, convicted and sent into general population at a maximum security facility in Pennsylvania and NOT retain his tenure as a sociology professor, not be working for Obozo in DC, and not allowed on campus or in any proximity to the young of any age, etc.

Next, I am drinking no kool aid. Are you drinking the CYA kool aid of Graham Spanier and the PSU fairies??? NO ONE claims that Paterno witnessed anything personally. He did report to Curley and Schultz(?) even though he had no direct evidence whatsoever of child rape by Sandusky. All he had was the report of the quite noncredible McQueary that McQueary HEARD noises from the shower room (slapping noises???) that he thought indicated the rape of a young boy by pervert Sandusky. McQueary did not even look into the shower room to confirm his suspicions nor did he interfere to stop the rape if that is what occurred on that occasion nor did McQUEARY (the only adult witness if that is what he was) report this to law enforcement. So you would hang Paterno for not running to the Bellefont Police, the Centre County Sheriff, the Pennsylvania State Police (all of whom would have referred him back to the Penn State Police out of rigid professional courtesy and turf considerations). The Penn State Police exist to do precisely what they are told by university higher ups. When supervised by civilian school administration hacks, they will be part of the problem and not the solution since they exist to keep other cops away and to cover university authorities. That is how it works at Yale and UConn and, no doubt, at Penn State.

You want to hold Paterno to account for not reporting McQueary's half vast suspicions and surmises and guesses to law enforcement just in case on a matter that seemed unlikely to be successfully investigated because McQueary could not muster the manhood to interfere with pervert Sandusky who was old enough to be McQueary's grandfather and put a stop to the rape of the child (IF that was what had occurred on that occasion).

I did not say anything that you claim I said. More sloppy speculation or sloppy accusation.

All you or anyone else has on Paterno is that maybe McQueary was a witness, that McQueary did NOTHING to stop the incident if there was one, did not interfere in any way, did not eyeball the victim, did not so much as say: Gerry you are a dirty old man or child rapist, did not report to ANYONE for days, and that his speculations under such circumstances, filleed with giant holes, were to be regarded by Paterno and by university officials and by potential law enforcement responders as though they were revelations of the Oracle at Delphi. And you accuse ME of drinking kool aid????

Read your last sentence of your post aloud three or more times while watching yourself in the mirror.

33 posted on 01/28/2013 10:09:49 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: jospehm20
Do I remember correctly that Paterno secured Sandusky's resignation in 1998 (for whatever reason and possibly for child molesting?) but lavender coddling Spanier's university administration decided to give Sandusky permanent access to the football facilities and showers and locker room, and that Paterno had no say in that decision?

Paterno is being targeted by the usual toxic gang of media leftists because it is unthinkable to them that such an enlightened leftist and social revolutionary as Spanier could be guilty of anything any more than Obozo or Hillary ever are. Furthermore, Paterno is conveniently dead and cannot litigate them within an inch of their lives for defamation.

Finally, anyone with a strong stomach who is interested in the M.O. of the sort of despicable creatures who conspire to get their jollies over the rape of children should read "The Franklin County Coverup" a book by a former Nebraska state senator (John de Camp) who had investigated similar and even worse behavior leading to the murder of the victim children in Omaha and involving a coven of public officials and prominentoes of BOTH parties and none including judges, police officials, a banker who seconded Reagan's nomination in 1984 and many more. No one has a roster of the Omaha perps but, before going to Penn State, Spanier was an official at University of Nebraska. I suspect he was NOT involved in the Franklin County coverup but I don't have any knowledge much less evidence of that..

As to dead prosecutor Ray Gricar, he is in Wikipedia and there are references to numerous local newspaper stories on Google.

34 posted on 01/28/2013 10:49:45 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: BlackElk

I don’t believe that anything major went on that concerned the PSU football program in 1999 without Paterno’s consent. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that he was the dominant figure in that program.

35 posted on 01/28/2013 11:16:58 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: BlackElk
So, you're suggesting the average person wouldn't, you know, have followed up on a report of raping a boy in a shower to find out what happened? I know, a yawner, a trifle, a man of his stature and importance shouldn't be interested in following up on the safety of minors from a man in a position to exploit them......

Good grief man, get a grip.

Are you also suggesting he knew nothing of earlier reports, when it is probable he did?

Are you also suggesting that the obvious explanation, that he might want to cover up these incidents because of his trajectory to be the winningest coach of all time, with one of the best football programs of all time as a legacy isn't the likely truth?

It's a far more likely explanation than what you've given, and in spite of protestations it's clear you HAVE drunk the kool aid.

36 posted on 01/29/2013 7:23:55 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark
Here's the probable result of Joe Paterno trying to double as Dick Tracy:

Joe Paterno to Gerry Sandusky: Were you anally raping a ten-year old boy in the shower room at the foptball complex on Friday noght, March __, 20__?

Sandusky: No, of course not! Why do you ask?

Joe Paterno: Because Michael "Nobody" McQueary claimed he was in the building when you did.

Sandusky: Claimed??? What were the specifics?

Joe Paterno: Umm, days after the fact, he came around claiming that he was somewhere in the vicinity of the shower room when he "thinks" this happened because he heard "slapping sounds" but he did not actually see anything and apparently had no interest in DOING anything at the time, or identifying the victim who he never saw, or interfering with what he believes was an anal rape of the child.

Sandusky: Well, what is his claim? Without actually SEEING anything (the shower room has no locking doors), or interfering, what is this business about "slapping sounds?" Is he imagining sexual assault or slapping a kid around? Joe, when you and your wife have done what married folks do, did anything about sex between you two produce "slapping sounds?" McQueary must be nuts. Get him out of here!

Later: Joe Paterno to Michael McQueary: So tell me what happened that night.

McQueary: Sandusky was raping a kid in the shower room.

Joe Paterno: How awful! What did you see?

McQueary: Nothing. It was the sounds of slapping coming from the shower room that tipped me off.

Paterno: SAW nothing???? Why not?

McQueary: Well, I didn't want to just barge in on them. That would be like rude to the max.

Joe Paterno: So what did you say to Sandusky when you saw him after he was finished raping the kid?

McQueary: Well, I never actually saw him at all.

Joe Paterno: Well who was the kid?

McQueary: How would I know?

Joe Paterno: How old was he? What did he look like?

McQueary: How would I know?

Joe Paterno: Didn't you see the kid?

McQueary: Gosh no! That would have been just rude!

Joe Paterno: How do you KNOW that there was a kid? That the kid was even in the shower room? That Gerry Sandusky was in the shower room? That Sandusky was anally raping the kid in the shower room?

McQueary: I just know. That's all!

The story ends with two possibilities as to Paterno's response to McQueary's claims.

First: Paterno inspired by the credibility and thorough investigation by McQueary and impressed by his manly response to his own suspicion (without evidence) that there was a child rape going on in that there shower room, calls the FBI, the Pennsylvania State Police, the Center County Sheriff, the Bellfonte Police Department and the PSU campus cops and is ignored (ain't our jurisdiction, man, call the compromised campus cop Barney Fifes) by all but the campus cops whose response is: Coach, you know that this story, by university rules, must be reported NOT to us but to our morally flexible and utterly civilian overlords Curley and Schultz who are footstools of Spanier who does not want anyone talking negatively about homosexual kiddie rape. C'mon, man, this is the 21st century! We could be in trouble for taking your call. We aren't making a record of this complaint to protect you and us! Take it to Curley and Schultz to disappear. We have important parking tickets to write for parking violations in the student parking lots. Priorities ARE priorities. First things first!

Second: Joe Paterno calls Curley and/or Schultz and hesitantly makes a report: This is certainly going to sound crazy but one of my nobody assistant coaches, Michael McQueary, just came in here with a dizzy fantasy (as detailed above) claiming that Sandusky had been anally raping a ten-year-old boy in the shower room at the football complex on a Friday night during Spring Break. McQueary saw nothing, did not see Sandusky or the alleged kid, claims that "slapping sounds" meant that such a kid was being raped, did not enter the shower room to interrupt the alleged rape or to cold cock Sandusky (assuming Sandusky was in the shower room at all). Guys, I am ashamed to say that McQueary had been an undertalented quarterback here before graduating to being an undertalented and, I guess, hallucinogenic assistant to the assistant to the assistant coaching job. Can we get some psychiatric help for McQueary and get him out of here before he decides that either of you or I may have been raping some kid in the shower room, or had been the real kidnapper of Judge Crater or have Amelia Earhart hidden in a secret laboratory on campus or, in my case due to age, that I may be the actual Jack the Ripper hiding out in Happy Valley waiting to go back to Jack's old habits? Who knows? In the absence of any actual evidence, McQueary just knows!!!

If Joe Paterno immediately responded by holding a public press conference detailing McQueary's unsupported claims, those who believed McQueary's claims would be likely to burn McQuaery at the stake for being a self-confessed coward who stood idly by while he THOUGHT a kid was being raped. Those who did not believe McQueary's claims would have treated McQueary (and maybe Paterno for taking him seriously) as space aliens who must have come from outer space or Paterno would have been presumed senile for taking McQueary's crazy story seriously.

REMEMBER: I personally don't give a sh*t about college football or college any other sport. I sometimes pay mild attention to professional football (a game or two every four years or so). My only serious sports interest is in the New York Yankees since the year that Mickey Mantle was a rookie. Nowadays, if a team does not feature Derek Jeter, I am not interested. When Jeter retires, I will find other Yankees to keep my rooting for the pinstripe laundry of New York. Without wasting time watching college football, I can admire excellence as a casual observer. As a coach, Paterno was a standard by which excellence is judged. One exception: As a Catholic, I despise Notre Shame University (for the Obozo incident at graduation and MANY other religious reasons) and tuned them in on the radio when they were smacked by Alabama as my wife and I screamed Roll, Tide, Roll! My only connection to Penn State football is that I once drove by their stadium in the offseason on my way to spending a week with Yale-connected friends in a nearby town. I don't believe that I have ever seen a single PSU football game even on television.

Joe Paterno had a magnificent career as PSU football coach. May some New York Yankees manager have that kind of track record in the time that remains to me in life. Paterno was the Babe Ruth of football coaches without Ruth's overly lively social life. My other sport is politics---the real blood sport of our times.

Your first paragraph: Such deviant misbehavior and crime is no yawner. If McQueary actually believed his own lies or unsupported truths if truths they were, why did he not walk right into the shower room, actually SEE the kid victim, see Sandusky's crime, haul off and belt Sandusky in the mouth, knock Sandusky to the floor of the shower room, and do the Bristol Stomp on his genitals until they were no longer useful for such purposes, i.e. the reaction of any normal male to such a crime against a child. Your first paragraph applies very much to McQueary and not at all to Paterno.

Get a grip yourself. And lay off Graham Spanier's kool aid while you are at it. Or as Gram Spanier might say paraphrasing the late Senator Russell Long: Don't blame you. Don't blame me! Blame the dead football coach under the tree! He is the only one at Penn State that anyone in the socially reactionary US has ever heard of. Let's keep it that way! JoePa had celebrity appeal and once the tabloid media and the low information gullibles have a chance to blame JoePa, they will ignore the real perps (other than Sandusky). Even on Free Republic, some people will believe our diversion!

Finally, Shoeless Joe Jackson had the second best lifetime batting average in the history, Pete Rose the most hits, Roger Clemens had the most Cy Young Awards, Barry Bonds the most home runs lifetime and the most MVP awards, Mark McGwire the most home runs in a single season. None are in the Baseball Hall of Fame. The politically correct baseball writers aren't fooling anyone by not electing them. Their records are what they are. Even if Rose bet on baseball games that he managed, even if the rest used performance enhancing drugs. That's the same Hall of Fame that had no problem including other baseball greats like Ty Cobb, Rogers Hornsby, and Tris Speaker, all of whom were active members of the Ku Klux Klan. Cobb also threw games for money (not comparable to Joe Jackson's performance for the Black Sox in the 1919 World Series) and was charged with attempted murder as a young man for stabbing a black restaurant waiter whom Cobb believed was being overly "uppity." Whatever Gerry Sandusky quite obviously did to many little boys (see jury verdict) would not change the excellence of Joe Paterno's coaching career.

Performance enhancing drugs affect the outcome of games and cumulative or even seasonal performance statistics which mean much to baseball fans. Gerry Sandusky's despicable perversions did not make Penn State a better winning football team or Joe Paterno a better coach.

Paterno was a football coach and not Inspector Closeau.

37 posted on 01/29/2013 2:51:34 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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To: SVTCobra03

Post of the day and I thank you for it.

38 posted on 01/29/2013 2:56:53 PM PST by MarMema
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To: BlackElk

I will try to find and read that book, if I can get through it.

39 posted on 01/29/2013 2:57:39 PM PST by MarMema
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To: jospehm20
So you imagine that if Gerry Sandusky was having a tough week ad the linebackers were underperforming, Joe Paterno's response was to say: Take some time off next week, pick out a few vulnerable kids and anally rape them but whatever you do get your head back into football! My reputation is at stake! [Or take two little boys and call me in the morning?]

Or was it that kiddie raping wasn't something major?

Does it occur to you that PSU's pervert friendly president Graham Spanier was the dominant figure at PSU even if you had never heard of him until this scandal??? That Spanier was even more powerful at Penn State generally than was Joe Paterno?

Again, read the Franklin County Coverup for the M. O. of those sexually exploiting lttle kids. Available at a reasonable price at Amazon.

40 posted on 01/29/2013 3:01:34 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Broil 'em now!!!)
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