Skip to comments.WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 3 JANUARY 18, 2013
Posted on 01/18/2013 11:50:46 AM PST by greeneyes
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We have a gorgeous day in Missouri, Sun is shining and the winter wheat is very green, the temperature is in the 50's so it feels and looks like spring, even though it's winter. Our respite will be over soon as the cold moves back in, but we are doing fine today!
I picked a couple of green peppers, that I left on the plant until they turned red. Perfect addition to some stir fry. Have a great weekend. God Bless.
Pinging the Garden List.
The idea has been around a while, but this site is one of the better ones out there.
Pinging the Garden List.
My Tomato Growers Supply, Totally Tomatoes and RH Shumway orders arrived this week. Now all the work begins. Probably this weekend.
Also ordered some superhot pepper seeds from Refining Fire Chiles. Got some Trinidad Moruga Scorpion, Peach Ghost Scorpion and something called Malawi Pepperdew.
We have gorgeous weather today too. First respite since about 10 days ago. It rained for 8 days solid at my house. Augh. The yard squishes.
Has anyone ever used one of the cloning machines? I’m referring to something like ‘EZClone’.
Hope everyone stays warm this coming week.
Warm? We swapped out 60 a few days ago for a refreshing 4 degrees this morning here in Red Hampshire...
Thanks for the link. Looks interesting.
It’s alive! I have a mustard habanero pepper with a trinidad scorpion style stinger at the base...now to stabilize that puppy...we’ll have to do a taste test later to see whether this has the standard MH heat/flavor or the OMG heat of the TS. Should be fun.
I have never heard of the cloning machine. We won’t get started till February on starting seeds. I bought a bunch of seeds at the end of summer. So a few seeds and a few plants is all we will order from the catalogs.
I got my orders in just after the New Year and already got my seeds.
Now it’s just a matter of the waiting game, until things thaw out enough to plant.
Well, the low one night last week was 65. That next day the high was 78. Then came the front. And a bunch of low pressure systems. It went to 35, stayed there and rained for a bunch of days in a row. Yuk. Then yesterday we woke up to 2+” of snow. Followed by a high of 50. Forecast for the next week looks to be about average temps and sunshine. Yay, sun!
I’ve got a packet of Habanero Blend from Totally Tomatoes. Also a packet of something called ‘Caribbean Blend’. Fatali, Mustard Habanero and ‘Hot Pepper Mix’ round out the super hots. IIRC the Mustard Habanero was on sale for $1/pkt.
What will you do with your habanero with the stinger?
I am thinking I may just go ahead and plant a few seeds in pots to get started. I usually grow tomatoes or peppers or both in 5 five-gallon pots. These can be brought in and out depending on the weather once they get going good.
A way to get a few ripe tomatoes to go with spring lettuce. LOL.
Well, there’s a 99% chance that I got a job!! I still have to meet with the director of the program to make it official, but the interviewer said that i was the best-qualified candidate for that position that she’d met so far.
I’ve been unemployed (withOUT benefits) for a year now, so this is amazing. The new job matches my old job almost exactly, with the exception being I would not have to run training classes. That’s good, given that I’m currently mute.
That does mean I won’t get to do as much camping as I was looking forward to, but maybe i can still arrange to camp out on the weekends. I’ll just move the tomatoes and cucumbers to the back yard instead of planting them on the land :)
The person with the variety of corn and garbanzo beans that I want still hasn’t updated her list for this year, but I did find another catalog that’s selling a good parching/flour corn, so if it gets to be much longer I may just order that one. The variety I want is called “Magic Manna”, and the substitute I found is “Mandan Red”.
(Any corn can be parched, but only a few of them actually taste good that way. Some taste downright nasty!)
And, last time I checked, I was still the only bidder on that freeze-dryer the local university is selling. If no one else bids, I’ll get it for $20! I’m already planning out my aerogel experiments :)
I'll save the seeds, grow them out, and see what I get. The 'taste test' will provide a big clue...
Good news on the job front. I’ll be praying for you.
This year we’re thinking of planting some wheat in a small back field. Actually, we’re thinking of planting some ancient wheat or, at least, wheat from before the green revolution breeding programs in the wake of WWII. The reason is that some claims are being made about proteins in modern grains being the underlying cause of many food allergies; especially gluten intolerance. Another reason is because we would like to try the tastes of long ago.
Years ago I worked in the milling industry. The chief chemist in that mill lab told me at that time that literature of the past had recorded values as high as 18% protein for wheat grown on virgin prairie soils. Any way you slice it, that’d be a different tasting bread. What did bread actually taste like 150 years ago; or 1,500 years for that matter?
My question to y’all: anyone have any experience or background in this area and what have been your experiences? Do you have any favorite grains to grow and where do you get homestead quantities of seed?
I think I’ve seen a source named in the ‘Wheat Belly’ book or in the associated blog. Dr. Davis implied that although the modern proteins weren’t present in the ancient wheats that there might be the same underlying problem with them. It might be worth a try though. I’ve thought about doing the same thing. We’re going to grow rice and millet this year.
Keep us posted on your progres. I’m interested in how you do with this little project.
I tossed them all into a plastic bag with DE, so if there are any more, they are dead, but I was dissapointed that a national seed seller would let that happen.
I grow a heirloom variety of Hard Red Winter Wheat. My original purchase came from Bountiful Gardens. They have quite a few grains and fibers as well as books and booklets you can purchase.
There is also a very handy chart on compost crop applications that I find useful when I am planning my gardens.
Anyone else have a great source for early grains?
Indeed the taste test will tell.
My project with the superhots is trying as many different jerk recipes as I can possibly find. Just hope they have decent germination and I don’t manage to screw them up somehow.
I’m considering making a superhot only bed about 500ft from the rest of my peppers and both bagging the different varieties to self pollinate them but also saving random seeds from all of them to see what kind of crosses I get.
My wife grilled some boneless pork ribs with a jerk sauce she threw together with some chocolate habaneros...the neighborhood will never again smell as good as it did that particular evening...
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Critters are hard to kill.LOL
I don't like critters. I do not like them at all. Not in my food, or in my seeds. That just won't do. ;)
We’ve been growing a fair amount of sorghum grain for the table and have a variety we like from J.L. Hudson seedsman. Fantastic pancakes. He sold it two or three years back and I haven’t seen it since. Large, white grains and massive, drooping heads. The stalks go into silage with corn field leftovers and sunflowers. The chickens love it.
I’m tinkering with the idea of building a small scale thresher, too. Various designs I’ve looked at leave something to be desired and I would like a small scale grain processing set-up in the barn for family and critter feed.
LOL. Me too, but my daddy always just laughed at me, and said something like well, it didn’t eat much or hey it’s just a little protein. UGH!
Is this grain one that you can make sorghum molasses from?
I have been, too. I grow a bit of rye and wheat here, and hand threshing it is a serious pain in the arse.
BBQ joint not far from here has an antique one in front of their place, and I keep meaning to go by and take pictures of it for reference. It's about 7 ft long, and looks like it can either be hand cranked or put on a belt from a tractor (like anyone has those anymore).
Let me know what you come up with. I've looked at a lot of youtube videos of folks trying to build their own.
So far I just grind my wheat in a coffee grinder along with a little flax seed and then substitute it for about 1/3 to 1/2 of the flour in the recipe.
I haven’t tried the sprouting thing - not spontaneous enough for me. Simply waiting to grind the wheat until you are going to use it, gives a big plus in nutrition.
Hubby is growing some white winter wheat. I will be using my new grain mill to see how fine I can get the flour, once he has it harvested and dried.
I don’t think you could refine any molasses from the grain, but the stalks have plenty of sugar in them and you could definitely cook it down like maple sap to get your ‘lasses.
Are you sure that’s not a fanning mill? Those were used to clean the threshed grain and many of them are still around. I’ve got a line a ‘Clipper 2’ model and it has a few extra screens.
The thresher beats the grain off the stalk and then, should, knock the hull from the grain as well. The fanning mill removes the hulls and foreign debris. Getting the grain free of the hull is the big trick, IMO. Especially oats.
What I’m thinking of is a sloping drum with internal ribs or grooves that act as stationary resistance to an internal shaft rotating on the same axis with an array of rubber fingers that strike the ribs and the grain caught between. Gravity would feed the drum (or trough) and exhaust the materials. The ribs would retain the grain just long enough to get the hell beaten out of them before exiting. Sketching ideas is about all I’m doing now because the barn has no heated space to work in yet.
Oh well, sooner or later I’ll get something to do the job. Like you, I’m flailing in the dark, too.
We have several mills but not - the - mill yet. I do like the fresh grain taste of mill to dough bread and we all want to explore other grains - especially to beat the grocery and feed bill.
Anything has to be better than using the paddle attachment for my KitchenAid to whack heck out of grain heads to get 'em to release the grain.
I’d be interested in knowing the name of the sorghum variety if you don’t mind telling. I got 1/2lb of milo seed this year and a couple heirloom varieties of sorghum from Baker Creek and SESE.
We’re going to grow sunflowers for the chickens too. Just have to come up with a clever deer repellant device.
I hadn’t thought of needing a thresher. That sounds like a hubby honey do thing.
Has anyone tried the ‘HoneyDip’ stevia variety? It’s tempting me at Burpee but at $11/plant it’s not something I’m just going to ‘add to cart’ impulsively.
That sounds delicious. Now I’m hungry. I’ve got a Habanero mix that supposedly has some of the Chocolates. I’m just hoping I have good germination luck this spring and the demon damping off stays far far away.
Well, I don’t have “the mill” yet either, but I did buy a hand operated, inexpensive, stainless steel grinder mill, that is supposed to grind to a very fine level for making bread.
I am reading that blend tech is supposed to be a really good choice for electric or hand operated mills.
A lot of times I have just put grain into the woven plastic bags feed comes in and walked on it of beaten it with a hose. One link I watched had a wannabe Amish dude walking on his shocks when placed on a board with a few layers of hardware cloth over it. Then he winnowed. I’ve spent a lot of time pouring grain from pan to pan in front of an electric fan. There is a better way and I’m gonna find it.
I haven’t seen him list it again but I seem to recall he just called it ‘grain sorghum.’ In any event, the seeds are probably 1/8-3/16 diameter and the heads are about the size of small canned hams or a Nerf football. If you wnat, I’ll send you some seed but you’ll have to grow out your supply over a few seasons. FReepmail me with your information if you want.
It may not be spring yet, but I’ve got 14 raised beds full of seeds, seedlings, and plants. Yes, folks - be jealous! LOL. I live in the Charleston, SC area, and I have chard, red onions and garlic growing along with my raspberry canes (dormant), strawberries (have 2 flowers), and asparagus (coming up early due to the warm weather we HAD/gone today). My seedlings are kale, 2 kinds of carrots, 2 kinds of spinach, escarole, 5 kinds of lettuce, 2 kinds of turnips, 3 kinds of radishes, and 2 kinds of beets. I plant 3 kinds of potatoes, some white onion sets, and more chard on Feb 1. I also have a key lime tree loaded with buds. (My fig, pomegranates and almond are still dormant - though the fig does have leaf buds.) This weekend I will be setting up my germination room for spring crops. Very busy in my garden! [If you want to see my pictures and updates, I have them at www.sanctuarygardener.com I’d like to see your pics, too.]
Used the tractor to plow my way to the garden gate. Makes it easier to get ashes & stuff for the compost bin out there.
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I am always ok with easier. LOL.
I will do that.
We are having some great weather after frosty mornings but the ground fog rolled in yesterday and it is so thick tonight that you would need a chainsaw to cut it. It’s hard to get excited to get out and do anything except for a a hour or so. Yesterday we emptied about 40 of the 50 flower pots on the deck which is late for us. Still receiving seed catalogs to go with the 22 I pictured last week. The big excitement here in Benderville was the opening of Dungeness Crab season Wednesday in the waters just offshore.
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Sitting here in front of our fire watching the snow come down and anticipating the 20 to 30 below zero we're supposed to get this weekend... Brrrrrrrrrr!
Can only dream of gardening at this time of year...
I normally read the thread every Friday, and sometimes comment on it... but I couldn't find it today because I napped through when it showed up. Pings seem like a way to avoid that in the future.
It's about 49F here right now. Supposed to get down to 30F on Monday night.
I'd feel bad for you, except that I don't. Warm is good. ;)
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