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IDF says ‘shalom’ to the M-16
Times of Israel ^ | December 14, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 01/16/2013 6:32:52 AM PST by Pharmboy

Army transitioning to Israeli-made assault rifle for all units, according to report


An IDF infantry soldier armed with an Israeli-made Tavor rifle takes part in an urban warfare drill. (photo credit: Tsafrir Abayov/Flash90)

The IDF is phasing out its American-made M-16 assault rifles and replacing them with its Israeli-made Tavor assault rifles, according to a report on Maariv’s website NRG.

The Tavor — featuring a very different design than the M-16, developed for the IDF’s needs by Israel Military Industries during the 1990s — was introduced into service with regular infantry troops in the early 2000s, and slowly integrated to increasingly larger numbers of units throughout the decade. During that period, some M-16s, designed in the Vietnam era, were altered to better meet the IDF’s needs, while others were removed from service; the M-16 increasingly became a weapon for reservists.

As the NRG report noted, there are now a large number of soldiers in the reserves who did not use the American assault rifle during their compulsory military service. To standardize the weaponry for reservists, the report said, senior infantry commanders have decided to completely phase out the M-16s in favor of the Tavor.

The move is a reversal of sorts from the time when the IDF replaced its stock of Galil rifles — the Israeli-designed weapons that were based on a derivative of the ubiquitous Russian AK-47 — with the American M-16s.


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1 posted on 01/16/2013 6:33:01 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

A short barreled bull pup? Why? They only thinking CQB and no open desert combat? This doesn’t make sense.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 6:35:21 AM PST by Obadiah (Those who will not hear the messengers of peace, shall be made to hear the messengers of war.)
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To: Obadiah

I’ll keep my AK lookin’ Galil Golani, thank you.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 6:39:38 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Obadiah; thefactor
Yep...more of a carbine than a rifle. Good for building to building fighting, but, as you say, not the best option for traditional warfare, e.g., Afghanistan, which could be part of what the IDF might face in terrain type.

What do you say, thefactor?

4 posted on 01/16/2013 6:41:35 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: elcid1970

Galil 5.56 mm

5 posted on 01/16/2013 6:43:55 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

6 posted on 01/16/2013 6:44:32 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Pharmboy

For what round is this chambered?


7 posted on 01/16/2013 6:48:19 AM PST by newbolt
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To: Pharmboy

The Tavor is more than just a bullpup.

Some optional features are still classified, I think ;).


8 posted on 01/16/2013 6:48:23 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: newbolt

My first thought as well. I’m guessing it’s still the NATO 5.56 because of the availability.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 6:53:23 AM PST by exPBRrat
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To: Obadiah

That could be a 16” barrel shown. One of the advantages of a bull pup is a more balanced rifle with a long barrel but a shorter overall length.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 6:53:33 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Obadiah
Not so... the design enables the barrel to remain the same length while shortening the overall length of the rifle. not the placement of the magazine!!!
11 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:08 AM PST by ontap
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To: Obadiah

Maybe it’s me, but look where the chamber is on the side. It’s really close to the stuck, so the barrel appears almost the same as the M-16.

And based on the “stock” it appears as if it some how disperses the recoil in multiple directions so that it doesn’t hurt your shoulder.

Just my guess though.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 6:57:04 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Obadiah

not the =note the


13 posted on 01/16/2013 6:57:09 AM PST by ontap
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To: exPBRrat
5.56MM NATO. Conversion kits to 9MM and 5.45X39MM.

Oddly enough, USA manufacture began short time ago. Price around $2K. Not sure what affect the CT situation will have however...

14 posted on 01/16/2013 6:59:46 AM PST by donozark (Kim Kardashian had her baby. Triplets! She named them Wilson, Spaulding and Rawlings.)
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Its scary looking, which means it will be on the ban list.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 7:11:32 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Pharmboy

Both the Brits and the French use a bullpup design. The FAMAS and SA80/L85 models.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 7:27:35 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Obadiah
The Israeli army also has 7.62NATO rifles and sniper rifles.

I think the attitude is, if the guy is past 300 yards, let the sniper/marksman or mortar crew deal with him.

17 posted on 01/16/2013 7:30:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
I trained at Ft Gordon GA in 1967 with the 7.62 M-14. Now that was a rifle.
18 posted on 01/16/2013 8:02:16 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Hardraade; Pharmboy; Obadiah; elcid1970; thefactor; newbolt; exPBRrat; Durus; ontap; ...
India manufactures (modified for Himalayan conditions) and uses the Tavor in places like Kashmir:

U.S. forces training with Indian troops using Indian Tavors in a high altitude warfare school in Kashmir:

Indian special forces with the Tavor:


19 posted on 01/16/2013 8:05:08 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: PJammers

Too many “ugly features.” Butch Reno would hate it!


20 posted on 01/16/2013 8:13:29 AM PST by donozark (Kim Kardashian had her baby. Triplets! She named them Wilson, Spaulding and Rawlings.)
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