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Robert Griffin III's lies, Mike Shanahan's poor management doom Redskins in playoffs
yahoo sports ^ | Dan Wetzel

Posted on 01/07/2013 10:18:47 AM PST by Perdogg

Robert Griffin III couldn't run, at least not in any way resembling his usual sprints through the line and into open turf. Robert Griffin III couldn't throw, at least not the deep darts that move the chains and keep defenses honest.

Robert Griffin III couldn't lead the Washington Redskins' offense, not after his knee buckled in the first quarter of this NFC wild-card game against Seattle. A couple plays later Washington took a two-touchdown lead but the deal was done. It would gain just 41 yards over the next two and a half futile quarters with Griffin as quarterback, all but assuring Seattle's 24-14 victory.

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1 posted on 01/07/2013 10:18:53 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

It is more of the Redskins trying to stop an NFL team that cannot be stopped, other then stopped by the Patriots and it depends how next week’s playoffs go.


2 posted on 01/07/2013 10:26:27 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama; Thunder90; 4everontheRight; ABG(anybody but Gore); Abbeville Conservative; ...

as heard on Rush.


3 posted on 01/07/2013 10:26:47 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Absolutely Nobama; Thunder90; 4everontheRight; ABG(anybody but Gore); Abbeville Conservative; ...

as heard on Rush.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 10:27:44 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Biggirl; All

Well I think whoever wins the Seahawks - Falcons game is going to the Super Bowl..


5 posted on 01/07/2013 10:28:40 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: Biggirl

Nonsense. The Skins should have won the game, and we would have had we had a QB for the 2nd-4th quarter. Cousins could have won this game if he’d been given a chance. This loss is totally on Shanny.


6 posted on 01/07/2013 10:29:15 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg

Dan Wetzel is just another leftist radical who never played football and cannot comprehend why an injured player wouldn’t insist on being benched, filing workmen’s comp claim and getting on the disability gravy train.


7 posted on 01/07/2013 10:30:34 AM PST by fso301
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To: Perdogg

Lies??

Uh, perhaps, refuses to believe he can’t go on.

Therefore claims he can.

It’s a mind thing.

It’s someone known for doing incredible, almost impossible athletic feats. Can’t view himself any other way in this playoff game with everything on the line...

Suffering from Superman syndrome.

Alas, he’s human, not Superman, after all...


8 posted on 01/07/2013 10:30:34 AM PST by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: Perdogg; RedMDer

Shanahan blew it. I told RedMDer that on the FReepathon thread, that RG3 wasn’t himself after the 14-0 lead. Shanahan should have gone to Cousins right then and there.

Shanahan and everyone RG3 fan had better pray that RG3’s knee will not require surgery or if it does, that he can and will be able to heal completely.

Only a fool screws with the franchise quarterback’s health.


9 posted on 01/07/2013 10:31:58 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Perdogg
This guy sounds like an RGIII hater. A libtard friend of Parker's perhaps?
10 posted on 01/07/2013 10:35:32 AM PST by deweyfrank
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To: pgkdan

As if Cousins would have had any success moving the ball against the nfl’s best defense.
In my best british accent - “Not bloody likely”


11 posted on 01/07/2013 10:36:59 AM PST by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: fso301
Dan Wetzel is just another leftist radical who never played football and cannot comprehend why an injured player wouldn’t insist on being benched

Read the article - he's a lot harder on Shanahan, and I think he makes a very good case. (Yes, I played football.)

12 posted on 01/07/2013 10:37:53 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Perdogg

oh brother... what a stupid article... maybe RGIII really believed everything he was saying... put this one on the coach...


13 posted on 01/07/2013 10:39:40 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: deweyfrank

No, if you read it, he’s just saying that RGIII did what would be expected of a 22-year-old raised on the NFL mythology of injured players grinding out epic victories and would’ve played even if one of his legs had been sawed off cleanly at the knee. The blame squarely lies on the 60-year-old coach who should’ve known better, and taken him out whether the QB wanted to go out or not.


14 posted on 01/07/2013 10:43:22 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Perdogg

Yeah, because this is the first time a coach and QB didn’t disclose an injury for a playoff game.....


15 posted on 01/07/2013 10:43:42 AM PST by PGR88
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
Read the article - he's a lot harder on Shanahan, and I think he makes a very good case. (Yes, I played football.)

I did read the article and take issue with Wetzel calling RGIII a liar.

16 posted on 01/07/2013 10:44:04 AM PST by fso301
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To: Perdogg

Did RG III play defense? If so, that must be how the D let Seattle score so many points.

Bottom line - the ‘skins lost as a team. No excuses.


17 posted on 01/07/2013 10:44:19 AM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: Perdogg

Skins fans and talk radio, etc., are spending WAAAAAAAY too much time debating RG3 and Shannahan. RG3 does not block. RG3 does not tackle. He does not drop passes which hit him in the hands. He does not take handoffs. He does not rush the quarterback. He does not defend receivers. He does not open holes in the line for his running back.

The skins lost because their 22 guys beat our 22 guys. Over three quarters.


18 posted on 01/07/2013 10:46:22 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Perdogg

He’s right, RGIII should have been pulled sooner. But color me skeptical whether Washington wins the game. Seattle is on a roll.


19 posted on 01/07/2013 10:47:01 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: onyx

As a rabid Seahawk’s fan, I totally agree with you. Shanahan better pray to God that young man makes a full recovery. Dan Snyder should be looking for a new coach.

Nobody I know in the Pugetopolis area wanted to see Mr. Griffin III used up like Coach Shanahan used his main guy. The picture of Mr. Griffin III placing his arm around the coaches shoulder reminded me of an abused wife coming to the defense of her batterer husband. Not right, even the Redskin’s team doctor has Shanahan’s number.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 10:48:33 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: latina4dubya
maybe RGIII really believed everything he was saying... put this one on the coach...

Absolutely. I felt like they were going to run him out there until he was either dead or in a wheel-chair. I don't care what he said. Anybody continuously hobbling from a knee injury needs to be out of the game and on the way to the MRI room.
21 posted on 01/07/2013 10:51:17 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
I think calling RG3 a liar is a little harsh and just wrong. You are right though about Shanahan being the blame.
22 posted on 01/07/2013 10:54:36 AM PST by deweyfrank
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To: bigfootbob

I don’t know if he will recover. One of the concerns about RG3 was his knee, and that he was injury-prone. He has never fully recovered from his 2009 season with Baylor, imho.


23 posted on 01/07/2013 10:56:03 AM PST by Theoria
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To: Perdogg; All

Do not agree with Wetzel on this article....but do not understand all the ‘Wetzel is a liberal’ comments.

Wetzel’s ‘Death to the BCS’ really exposes the fraud the college bowl system is. And his book on Jerry Tarkanian is a good read for those who think the NCAA is corrupt....as well as his book on Don Haskins

RGIII was obviously more injured than believed. However, you can bet on it that the same people whining about RG3/Skins were the same ones whining about Jay Cutler pulling himself out of the Bears playoff game 2 years ago


24 posted on 01/07/2013 10:56:05 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: fso301
Read the article - he's a lot harder on Shanahan, and I think he makes a very good case. (Yes, I played football.)

I did read the article and take issue with Wetzel calling RGIII a liar.

Yes, there he went too far - but RGIII didn't belong on the field.

25 posted on 01/07/2013 10:57:37 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: bigfootbob

I so admire RG3 and your young quarterback Russell Wilson. I can’t imagine Pete Carroll leaving Wilson in, under similar circumstances, given his dedication at the University coaching level. It just wouldn’t occur to Carroll.

Shanahan is totally at fault.


26 posted on 01/07/2013 10:58:30 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

No wonder it is called “arm-chair quarterbacking.”

Tell me, If Shanahan has pulled RGIII immediately after the 1st quarter, and the Skins went on to lose, what would Skins fans have said????

I’ll tell you - they would have FREAKED OUT. Why did Shanny pull RGIII????!!!!


27 posted on 01/07/2013 10:59:34 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Perdogg
It is the quarterback's job to be completely fearless and to try to put mind over matter.

It is the coach's job to evaluate whether his quarterback is fooling himself or not.

Shanahan abdicated his responsibilities.

It was clear by halftime that Griffin was not able to pull it off, and that his best bet was Cousins.

However, Shanahan preferred to almost certainly lose with Griffin rather than probably lose with Cousins, because he was afraid that the loss would be pinned on him for pulling his star quarterback.

That was good politics, until Griffin got even more injured.

28 posted on 01/07/2013 10:59:59 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Newtoidaho

Like the Skins didn’t mow through your imagined best defense on their first 2 drives? the only drives that the shins played with a functioning QB? Get a grip!!


29 posted on 01/07/2013 11:00:03 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg

Yeah, that awful, terrible, nasty , no-good Griffin...imagine trying to play through pain to help your team. What a despicable example for our youth!! What kind of example does this set for all those kids who have their minds set on being quitters when the going gets tough? (smirk)


30 posted on 01/07/2013 11:03:40 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Biggirl

And oh, btw, as a Skins fan I have to tip my hat to the Seahawks rookie QB. I was totally impressed with My Wilson! He was outstanding. (of course he IS a Virginian!) ;-)


31 posted on 01/07/2013 11:03:40 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: bigfootbob
I might add, I don't know why Dan Snyder wasn't on the phone to the field demanding that his franchise quarterback be pulled. Maybe he's a short-sighted idiot too, but even a short-sighted idiot should have wanted to win the game and Cousins had won games! RG3 was ineffective after the 14-0 and it was painfully obvious to me, a woman!!
32 posted on 01/07/2013 11:04:16 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: deweyfrank

I think that was sort of the hook. He was talking about RGIII lying even too himself, not willing to admit to himself that he was too injured to play. In baseball, pitchers never voluntarily leave the mound. It’s up to the manager to make the call and pull them off. I would think the same thing basically holds with an NFL QB.


33 posted on 01/07/2013 11:05:48 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: deweyfrank

Right, the fact that it was even suggested RGIII might be a Republican during this Parker fiasco probably “did him in” with the msm. Add RG to the OPEN SEASON list!


34 posted on 01/07/2013 11:06:18 AM PST by spiderfern
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To: PGR88

It was painfully obvious RG3 couldn’t run.
That’s half his game!
The statistics proved that and were there for all to see.

Shanahan failed the fans and his franchise quarterback.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 11:07:08 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

My second Senior Drill Instructor (the first was canned when the Series SgtMaj caught us playing “Bats”, i.e. hanging by our toes from the top rung of our racks [bunks]) at Parris Island, GySgt Truell, once told us that IF we HAD to run somewhere, if our lives or someone else’s life depended on it, then we should never stop running. We might have to slow to a mamasan shuffle, but we should never stop running.

Except for two reasons:
1) Your heart stops beating.
2) Someone blows your legs off.

Gunny Truell would approve of RGIII.

And yes, the coach is paid to make the tough decision to pull an injured player out of the game.


36 posted on 01/07/2013 11:10:08 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Theoria

Well, if RGIII can’t return to football, he has a degree and work on a masters, plus he’s brain smart.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 11:11:01 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Perdogg

Almost a year ago, during the NFC title game, Jay Cutler was roundly criticized for not sacrificing his body, and sitting out part of the game with a sprained knee.

I’m not going to criticize RGIII for giving all he’s got.

Shanahan maybe...but not RGIII. It can’t be ‘wimpy’ to taked yourself out, and also be ‘liar’ to stay in.


38 posted on 01/07/2013 11:11:56 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: pgkdan

Seahawks: Points per game allowed all season: 15
Points given up to Washington in the first quarter: 14

So, yeah. That is all that Washington was going to get for the game. No matter who was at quarterback.

Next question?


39 posted on 01/07/2013 11:14:27 AM PST by Newtoidaho
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To: Perdogg

The left, and especially leftist reporters sure hate Griffin. I wonder why that is?


40 posted on 01/07/2013 11:16:24 AM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: fso301

Yeah, Dan Wetzel is a leftwing libtard a-hole. I hate this douche more than that racist Jason Whitlock.

BTW, both RG3 and Shanahan are to blame but i don’t care anyway: I;m a Seahawk fan.


41 posted on 01/07/2013 11:17:22 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Perdogg

Coaches are paid to make tough decisions. Blame old Mikey cause he is a gutless wonder and really dumb to boot


42 posted on 01/07/2013 11:24:43 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Perdogg

Kirk cousins, with a 14 pt lead, has a whole lot more options to manage the game than kirk cousins, stepping in down by 10. I agree, cousins should have played from 2nd quarter on...


43 posted on 01/07/2013 11:28:32 AM PST by bike800
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To: onyx

Both young men are genuine men. We’re very proud of Mr. Wilson. As a Seahawk fan since their inception and former season ticket holder back in the early days, I don’t think the Seahawk’s have ever had a quarterback who has as much talent and a natural leader as Mr. Wilson.

I see the same with Mr. Griffin III. He’s a fine young man with a very promising future regardless of his injury. The wife and I were appalled by the antics of beady eyed Mike Shanahan yesterday. I certainly hope Shanahan makes amends.


44 posted on 01/07/2013 11:31:06 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: max americana
BTW, both RG3 and Shanahan are to blame but i don’t care anyway: I;m a Seahawk fan.

I don't care about either team. I watched the game because it was the only game on at the time. I felt Shanahan should have been looking for a reason to not bench RGIII early in the game but am not going to second guess him for failing to send in Kirk Cousins earlier in the game.

45 posted on 01/07/2013 11:32:17 AM PST by fso301
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To: PGR88
Tell me, If Shanahan has pulled RGIII immediately after the 1st quarter, and the Skins went on to lose, what would Skins fans have said????

It shouldn't matter to Shanahan what the Skins fans would say. Looking out for his QB's ability to walk should take precedence. There's a reason the fans are in the seats and he's on the field. He knows more than they do and should have protected him from being potentially crippled regardless of the blowback.
46 posted on 01/07/2013 11:33:34 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Perdogg

RG3 is no Doug Williams,,, this year


47 posted on 01/07/2013 11:35:14 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: vpintheak
The left, and especially leftist reporters sure hate Griffin. I wonder why that is?

Because he is articulate, has no known criminal record nor inclination to develop one, has a serious work ethic and doesn't act like a street punk (whether real or imagined).

In short, they view him as the house nig*er and therefore a Tom.

48 posted on 01/07/2013 11:37:56 AM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire.)
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To: Biggirl
wrong...the coaching staff had to be able to see what anyone watching TV replays could see after RGIII hurt his knee in the first quarter:

- he couldn't cut upfield; and

- he couldn't drop back and plant to throw; and

- he couldn't run without a limp

the coaches in the box should have been telling the head coach to pull him in the first quarter, regardless of what RG was telling the trainers and staff

He was barely able to move and Cousins would have had 3 quarters to pick apart Seattle...which would have kept the defense fresh and dominating the way they did through the first quarter

49 posted on 01/07/2013 11:58:54 AM PST by Abundy
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To: Perdogg
My $.02? This has been publicized as a Lateral Collateral Ligament tear. My hunch (we'll see of course) is that judging by how RGIII's leg buckled in the slowmo replay yesterday - is that what he has now is very likely not just an LCL tear. Whether he started out with an ACL, or whether he got that on top of what he started out with - I didn't like the look and configuration of his knee during the replay yesterday.
50 posted on 01/07/2013 11:59:27 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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