Posted on 01/06/2013 3:00:45 PM PST by chuckles
Has anybody spoken about starting to form some sort of organizations for the SHTF day on gun control? I know there are some already out there called preppers, but I find most of them a little off. I would gladly follow someone like Allen West, but I'm not to keen about following some produce manager down at WalMart. We need to start vetting our local ex military, Oath Keepers, or cops so we don't end up in total chaos on day one.
How many think it may wake the pols up that we are serious or it may piss them off even more? I remember Waco and Janet Reno using militia's as a whipping boy. OTOH, we might put the fear of God in them if a wide movement started. A good start might be some sort of Tea Party connection to get members quickly. Sorta like putting out a trial balloon. If the movement flops, at least we would know we are on our own. I just don't want to wait till the last minute. It's too late then.
It would be a good idea to know who our friends are and who the enemy is before the firestorm. Also, plans to block off the city you live in would help with food distribution and other strategic plans.
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You will know the Good Guys by who is shooting at the Bad Guys
You will know the Good Guys by who is shooting at the Bad Guys
LOL,
We could have a whole discussion on this one! Is it punctuation, or just poor spelling?
I have to admit though, you have made a valid point. And its late at night and Mr. Smirnoff has had his say.
I’ll step away from the keyboard now.
Have a good night night.
With any kind of thought, the best collusion for this sort of thing, is to do the same tactic that obama is using.
What is that?
The informal gathering of neighbors! It worked for Tupperware. It worked for Avon. It worked during the American Revolution. Why not now?
The good ol’ American ‘coffee klatche’!
The free exchange of ideas between free men, unfettered by governments of any kind, is a display of Freedom.
(DHS be damned!)
The fact that this sort of thing is even being discussed ought to give anyone ‘watching’ pause...
You'd have a lot of coin's if that wish came true!
I’d say that a neighborhood watch is the best place to start. Actually, that’s probably the best place to finish too. After that, if you want to be part of a bigger militia, my vote is with one of these groups:
http://www.marines.mil/
http://www.navy.mil/
http://www.army.mil/
http://www.af.mil/
Or you can compromise with a state militia.
I agree that the FBI probably started it. Kinda like leaving a Corvette on the side of the road with the hood up. Takes about 17 minutes on average for someone to stop and take a look. They put taxidermy deer in fields also. Advertize the local militia and get a few dudes with tats and no teeth. We got several bites advertizing a van full of C4 in local Mosques.
I thought it might be advantageous to get as an example, someone on the order of Allen West,( he's not busy at the moment), as a leader. There are patriots back from the ME in every community and have experience in tactics and insurgency techniques. I don't think watching Red dawn 12 times will do the trick.
If you remember Waco, however, law enforcement fired into a building with dozens of women and children. They ended up burning them out using military equipment from the National Guard. What if the Nat Guard told them to use their own crap? It only takes a few higher ups to screw the pooch for everybody.
Maybe. Just as likely to be another worthless doom and gloomer who wants everyone to roll up in a ball and surrender like he's doing.
The enemy just loves it when those guys post their drivel here.
You are aware that Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hancock, Revere, and many others would have been HANGED by their government for having carried out the actions we describe as the American Revolution?
There are plenty of perfectly legal things for gun owners to consider doing.
For example, if 1000 gun owners marched on Washington (unarmed, of course), it probably wouldn't make a difference. And if 10,000 or even 100,000 marched on Washington, it probably wouldn't make a difference.
If ONE MILLION gun owners march on Washington, it WILL make a difference. This would be one million gun owners who don't wish to take up arms against the government, who don't wish to be labelled terrorists, and who don't wish to see their family and their pets shot to death by the BATFE.
This one million people could make it clear that there are things for which the ultimate sacrifice should be paid. They could make it clear that the Second Amendment means what it says and that infringements (including those already on the books) must cease.
Assuming that the government hears the people and stops the infringements, then everybody can go home to their families. A good day for such a march would be April 19th, 2013, the 238th annivarsary of "the shot heard round the world" at Lexington and Concord.
If such a march did not have the desired effect, then the marchers would realize that they must plan a different march for the following April and dedicate the year to insuring that the outcome of the second march was successful.
Most states have an organized militia that reports to the Gov and many also have a perfectly constitutionally legal unorganized militia. They have been around forever and are not started by the FBI. The militia in GA is legal and open to all citizens of the state over 18. There is nothing secretive or sinister about it.
Very clever. I like it.
At the same time CBS( Dan Rather) reported the BATF was busy building a data base of the yellow forms of the people that gave up their FFL. That was supposedly illegal, but hey, it was just Clinton and Reno.
I have worried for literally years about getting a CFL in Texas. I've heard it all. They already know who you are. You get treated better by the cops. Less worry if you get caught with a weapon, and on and on. Now we see what filling out another form has wrought. I just pray that we survive this 4 years or at least Texas will secede. I'm 61 and burnt out of worrying.
“Given that you believe that a tyrannical government must authorize any martial activity of the Militia”
I did not say that.
You are suggesting that your town government is tyrannical. That your county government is tyrannical. That your state government is tyrannical.
We have a duty to use lawful processes, and before war, to exhaust lawful processes.
I wrote about the lawful process for the militia to exercise martial power.
I wrote to encourage men, and women, to consider petitioning their representatives, in any of local, county, and state goverment, to Call the Muster.
I *know* from experience, that people need to associate for the purpose of our common defense.
Yet, it must be lawful, and for the most part, we must consider, What would General Washington expect of us?
He would expect discipline. He would expect that there was no activity except as authorized by a lawful body of representatives - in his time, they were the Continental Congress, and in our time, they are any of the representative bodies about which I wrote: local, county, and/or state.
The need of the people for their common defense, must be so great, as to compel them to get their representatives to make the call. After that, if the urgency be great, then to authorize the exercise of martial power.
If one of these governments is un-just and tyrannical, then we have a duty to relocate ourselves to another jurisdiction, where its local, county, and/or state has seen the trouble and is not weak in the knees.
It is a basic and necessary principle of law, that martial power is answerable to civil authority, in our country. Nobody who has the power to enforce law by means of force, has “job security” - they can be removed without even giving a reason, by a government executive or by the body of representatives if the government executive is weak in the knees.
We can organize and drill, train, and become quite professionally prepared to act ... but we must get authority to act from the representative body of government, so that we remain in adherence with the wishes of the people who elected them.
So, if New York is a police state, and the people cannot get relief from even their local town, after not getting hellp from the county or state ... they have a duty to first try and get to another location where government is responding to the wishes of the people.
Where governments are not responding to the wishes of the people, then the people must do what our Founding Fathers did:
Build a new ship of state.
Just as they *first* created the Continental Congress as a new ship of state, to which we moved allegiance from the Crown, *before* hostilities, then we must also.
Personally, I believe the time has come for 2 representatives elected by members of the Tea Party in each state, should assemble as a body to take into consideration, the documents, both Declaration and Constitution, that we ought to begin work on, for a new country that is really just the restoration of the old, but with a few, and I hope just a few, refinements all about limiting the power of government, bankers, and lawyers, which history has proven to be necessary to preserve liberty *from* those three special interests.
Obviously, the courts need to be bound to more narrow interpretation of the law, and the U.S. Supreme Court must be prohibited from amending the Constitution - the amending process was laid out, but usurped by the Court.
Obviously, banks and bank officers should have been banned from making any kind of political donation to government agents, agencies, officials, and court members.
Obviously, the Bill of Rights needed a warning label: We mean what we say, about “not infringing,” and other words that leave power in the hands of the people and the states AND NOT IN the hands of the federal government.
So, there is a lot of work to be done, building a new ship of state, but we are going to need it.
Our opponents need to be faced with its presence, as the British discovered on the horizon, here came a new ship capable of resisting tyranny.
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