Posted on 01/06/2013 12:11:16 PM PST by FlJoePa
No one should hold the Jerry Sandusky situation against these young men - they had no responsibility for his actions nor any cover up - they were also victims of the situation. (Of course, not nearly as victimized as the young men that JS molested.)
Paterno did not fire js. js voluntarily retired at the end of the 1998 season after Joe telling him he spent too much time with the second mile, and that he would never succeed him because he wasn’t dedicated enough.
js took advantage of a then bargain state retirement plan and that put in place all the emeritus status crap (that Joe had nothing to do with).
In 1999, PSU didn’t have a defensive coordinator and hired js back on a consultant basis to basically be the defacto DC. The following year Tom Bradley took over.
js was never fired. He retired, was re-hired for a year, and then gone.
This is spelled out crystal clear in Posnanski’s book. Posnanski (who basically lived with the Paternos for over a year) also makes it clear that Joe didn’t know about 1998.
The factfreeh report actually gets one thing right in stating that there was no connection to js’s retirement and the 1998 accusation.
Paterno did not allow js to retire, that was above Paterno’s pay grade. With no criminal charges there was probably nothing else the administration could do.
js having campus access was due to his tenure, another decision above Paterno’s pay grade.
You can bet that they did not meet at the local coffee shop on Saturday mornings.
I can only guess, but I would surmise that when the 2001 allegations came out that Paterno probably got on the phone with the people responsible for js still being around and gave them a peice of his mind. At the time of the 2001 allegations Paterno followed state law and reported the incident to his superior.
I’m just curious, what should Paterno have done that would not have violated state law and opened himself up to possible prosecution?
Paterno was not the ‘God’ that his naysayers refer to him as. He was God of the football program, but outside of the program he was just another tenured professor.
You’re asking me to prove a negative? How about you prove to me that Joe DID know about 1998.
If he WAS told about 1998 (it would have been by Schultz), then Schultz would have been violating PA law. Which makes perfect sense.
Franco has spoken on this very issue numerous times. Maybe you should check out some of the work John Ziegler and Franco have been doing instead of listening to mike and mike.
Franco is also on record (on video) saying MM told him he told Joe practically nothing that morning. Is Franco a liar now?
So how do you see fit to blame and penalize the players past and present for something the Penn State administration was accused of doing?
You keep using the words “cover up” as if they are facts. They aren’t.
The looming trials of Schultz, Curley, and Spanier will determine that. If they ever happen.
You obviously still need some life lessons. So we’ll start with because someone says something - say louis freeh or mike greenberg - it doesn’t make it true.
There is no “cover up”. There was no “cover up”. It makes no sense. If there was a “cover up”, why all the testimony? You run your mouth, but you don’t think.
It was just a bunch of bumbling administrators trying to deal with someone that (at the time) they thought had “boundary issues.”
Looking back, it’s easy to pile on knowing what we know now. At the time, they didn’t know anything. One incident (1998), which was obviously deferred by every local agency.
FlJoePa,
Do you believe Jerry Sandusky molested a child or children on the campus of PSU?
Yes I do. I don’t believed he “raped” anyone anywhere near the PSU campus though. I just don’t find it plausible. The original AG’s presentment used their embellishment to bring forward more victims (which is a good thing), but at the expense of the truth (which is a bad thing).
That set the narrative. When you conduct a national poll like Ziegler did and find that 27% of the nation thinks Joe Paterno molested children, then you have a problem on the message side of the issue as well.
louis freeh is a known, proven liar
Of course he is....he doesn't go along with your delusional opinion of a bunch of people who were OK with child sodomy!!!
Good points that you and others made here. However, let us face the fact that the apologists for Paterno will never see that facts are facts, and hero worship is hero worship.
The whole thing stinks, from A to Z. There is no doubt that Paterno stayed too long and was shielded from a program he no longer had the capacity to manage, that the football program was insulated, that Sandusky was a child sex offender. There is no doubt that long before any firings, media investigation or reports MANY people in Happy Valley knew about Sandusky. As with all disasters, there were many warnings and as with all disasters, many things had to go wrong before the situation finally came to light.
If anything can be learned from this mess, it should be that if you are going to be a coach, know when to leave, make sure you understand you duties and responsibilities. Paterno was too old, out of touch. Those that continue to defend Penn State have to come to grips with the facts
Those that continue to defend Penn State have to come to grips with the facts
Not only that, they fail to acknowledge that Penn State was given a tremendous pass when it came to sanctions....SMU was given the death sentence i.e.
The 1987 season was canceled; only conditioning drills (without pads) were permitted until the spring of 1988. All home games in 1988 were canceled. SMU was allowed to play their seven regularly scheduled away games so that other institutions would not be financially affected. The university ultimately chose to cancel the away games as well. The team's existing probation was extended to 1990. Its existing ban from bowl games and live television was extended to 1989. SMU lost 55 new scholarship positions over 4 years. The team was allowed to hire only five full-time assistant coaches instead of the typical nine. No off-campus recruiting was permitted until August 1988, and no paid visits could be made to campus by potential recruits until the start of the 1988–89 school year
This for a recruiting violation!!!
This for a recruiting violation!!!
...sorry to keep bumping old threads, but this thread I find interesting...I do believe SMU’s sins were a bit more involved than some recruiting violations...included were illicit payments and other such perks...and when it became common knowledge, they showed a studied indifference to it and made no attempt to correct...of course today, with so many calling for players to be paid, maybe SMU was just ahead of the curve...
If anything can be learned from this mess, it should be that if you are going to be a coach, know when to leave, make sure you understand you duties and responsibilities. Paterno was too old, out of touch. Those that continue to defend Penn State have to come to grips with the facts
...this is one of the most cogent posts on this subject I’ve read on this forum...if Paterno had left at 75, a reasonable age to have done so, he would have escaped any opprobrium from this, as he would have had no reason to know (other than by rumor, as he testified to the grand jury, thus letting the cat out of the bag about JS’s well known debauchery)any specifics...
...I have limited sympathy for Paterno, limited because he made his own bed by losing touch with his own creation, and because he tried to set the terms of his own leaving when he had no capital left to dictate anything...but, I firmly believe, a younger more intense Paterno would have grabbed this monster by the shirt and tossed him all the way to Bellefonte...but by 2001, that Paterno was a memory, and things played out the way they did...
...one thing I think we’ll someday find out is why Paterno told JS he would never be the head coach...the cover story that he spent too much time with Second Mile is ridiculous, as he could have said that to him ten years earlier and it would have been equally true then...knowing that would be good information to have...
With all PSU has been through, we’re still blessed.
With all PSU has been through?? That’s an odd way of looking at it.
...odd, indeed...welcome to the state of denial, in which the residents believe that their football program missing a few bowl games and losing out on some recruits rises to the level of catastrophic victimhood...these guys are a riot...on one hand, they blast PSU for unfairly trashing Paterno’s legacy, then on the other, they still go to the games, subsidizing the very thing they claim to hate, and then swoon over gushing articles like the above...thusly proving that football in fact trumps considerations of ethical behavior, or the lack thereof...
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