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Adolf Hitler's Plot To Bomb New York (w/Rocket Propelled Space Shuttle Carrying Radioactive Payload)
Daily Express ^ | January 4, 2013 | David Robinson

Posted on 01/04/2013 12:13:30 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Adolf Hitler with Hermann Goering

ADOLF HITLER'S PLOT TO BOMB NEW YORK

Newly discovered papers reveal the Nazis’ most bizarre plan – sending manned rockets into space to attack America.

The head of the Luftwaffe Hermann Goering banged his fi st on the table in anger.

He needed a dynamic new scheme to catch the Fuhrer’s eye. In the warped world of the Third Reich, competition between the German army and the German air force – the Luftwaffe – was fierce. Under Adolf Hitler’s power-crazed dictatorial leadership senior Nazis vied and tussled for infl uence throughout the Second World War.

At the end of 1941, Goering’s Luftwaffe was on the back foot. It had lost the Battle of Britain, while the German army was – according to Nazi propaganda from the eastern front – rampaging triumphantly across Russia. “Goering was looking for anything and everything to redeem the apparent failings of his Luftwaffe,” says space historian Dr David Baker.

The United States had just joined the war following the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Fu?hrer was keen to build a long-range bomber that could attack America’s eastern seaboard. “Hitler was bitterly contemptuous of America,” Dr Baker adds.

By successfully attacking the US, Goering could consolidate his position within the Third Reich.

But the Luftwaffe relied on slow, piston-powered aircraft with limited range – and a round trip from Berlin to New York was more than 7,000 miles. The US was simply too far away. A major technological innovation was required and Goering sent his technical staff scurrying away to find solutions.

The Silverbird was devised by Austrian engineer Eugen Saenger so the Nazis could bomb New York

A few years earlier, a maverick Austrian engineer named Eugen Saenger had published a paper proposing a manned, rocket-propelled space-plane that could in theory fly anywhere in the world.

“Saenger was the first to look into the technicalities of building a winged, reusable sub-orbital vehicle,” says Dr Asif Siddiqi, an assistant professor in space history at Fordham University. “His work was extremely far-sighted.”

How much Goering actually understood of Saenger’s ideas is unclear but he was hired and put to work at a laboratory near Hamburg with a small support team – including physicist Irene Bredt, who would become his wife – and told to come up with a blueprint for an inter-continental bomber.

“Saenger was a fantastic mathematician,” says aviation historian David Myhra. “But his first love was space. He wanted to explore the universe in rockets. He was obsessed with science fiction. He was a dreamer.”

The 900-page plan that Saenger eventually submitted to the Air Ministry could have flown straight out of the pages of Flash Gordon. In order to bridge the Atlantic he proposed sending a manned, rocket-powered jet into the lower reaches of space. The sub-orbital bomber was to be named the Silverbird because of its metallic appearance.

The Silverbird, an ambitious space rocket design wasn't developed beyond planning stage

The Silverbird was to be launched on a huge sled attached to a twomile monorail powered by 36 V-2 rocket engines. This awesome, fiery blast would propel the craft forward at a coma- inducing 1,200 miles per hour. At the end of the rail, the space-plane would start climbing.

Thirty seconds after liftoff the craft’s own 100-tonne thrust motor would kick in.

Eight minutes after ignition the Silverbird would have reached an altitude of more than 80 miles above Earth – the commonly accepted boundary between Earth and space is 62 miles above sea level – allowing it to in theory skip across the atmosphere like a stone bouncing over a pond.

“The standard aircraft of the day could not fl y from Europe to the US because they could not carry enough fuel,” explains Myhra, who has written a book on the Silverbird.

“But by reaching sub-orbital altitude the Silverbird’s fuel life would be extended allowing it to bomb anywhere in the world.”

If the space-plane concept wasn’t far out enough, the bomb it was carrying was out of this world. “The plan was to wrap the bomb with radioactive sand and have it explode high above New York casting a radioactive cloud over the city,” Myhra says. “It was a kind of prototype dirty bomb.”

The Silverbird would have been travelling at a jaw-rattling 13,000 miles per hour.

Once it had dropped its payload the Silverbird would descend under the pull of gravity, re-enter the atmosphere and glide back to Japanese territory in the Pacifi c.

“It was wild science fiction,” Myhra says.

“But Saenger had worked out all the mathematics. He was certain it would work.” Goering, however, struggled to get his head round the concepts.

By spring 1942 the rotund art-lover had a lot on his plate. The war in Europe was not going well and he was under intense pressure to stop Allied bombing raids on German cities.

“Goering saw the Silverbird as an implausible scheme with too many uncertainties,” Dr Baker says and the plan was left on the shelf.

“The Silverbird idea was theoretically possible,” Myhra adds. “Post-war analysis indicated that the space-plane would have burnt up during re-entry but this could have been overcome with thermal shielding. The underlying concept was sound but it was many years ahead of its time.”

The Nazis would look to other schemes to bomb the US but never succeeded. Saenger carried on tinkering with his concept and an abridged, 125-page outline was submitted to the Air Ministry in 1944 as the confl ict entered its final stages. A copy of this top-secret document would fall into the hands of the Americans and the Russians who were advancing on Berlin.

At the end of the war in 1945 Saenger fled to France but his bizarre story doesn’t end there. By this stage, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin had taken a n interest in the Silverbird. The Cold War was just beginning. Stalin ordered his agents to kidnap the Austrian and bring him to work in the Soviet Union. But the bungling agents failed to locate him and he stayed safely in the West.

The Soviets would spend a lot of resources trying to build a copy of the bomber. But by the early Fifties, Russian engineers gave up, concluding that the technology required to build it was yet to be invented.

In America Saenger’s work on the Silverbird was scrutinised.

“Saenger would greatly influence post-war thinking about space travel in the United States. A whole series of highly classified spaceplane concepts were developed based on his theories,” says Dr Baker. “His work certainly had an infl uence on aspects of the Space Shuttle programme.”

Saenger’s legacy is still felt today.

In December the US military launched its secretive X-37B unmanned space-plane on its third test flight.

“The ideas developed by Saenger during the war have led the US through a succession of spaceplane prototypes that ultimately led to the X-37B,” says Dr Roger Launius, senior curator at the Space History National Air and Space Museum in Washington.

Eugen Saenger died in 1964. He did not live to see the wide-ranging infl uence his visionary ideas would have on aviation, rocketry and space travel. “The whole concept of space-plane technology was really started by Saenger,” Dr Baker adds. “He played a vital role in space aviation development.”

But it was the aerospace expert’s misfortune to spend the most productive years of his career living under the 20th century’s most notorious dictatorship and, as farsighted as his work was it will always be associated with Nazi tyranny.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans; Reference; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: adolfhitler; aerospaceengineering; aviation; dirtybomb; eugensaenger; hermanngoering; luftwaffe; nazis; newyorkcity; silverbird; thirdreich; worldwar2
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Space shuttle Discovery

An interesting read on the history of aerospace ... strange to think that NASA's space shuttle program has roots in Nazi Germany's Luftwaffe and plots to destroy America during WWII

1 posted on 01/04/2013 12:13:41 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Actually, if they had pulled it off we might not be stuck with Michael Bloomberg trying to run things!!


2 posted on 01/04/2013 12:26:03 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: DogByte6RER

He only plotted; we actually firebombed his cities. Take that, innocent German civilians!


3 posted on 01/04/2013 12:26:42 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: DogByte6RER

Not new; you can find old videos on YouTube.

But cool!


4 posted on 01/04/2013 12:27:12 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Shades of Pynchon’s great novel “Gravity’s Rainbow!” Wonder if he came across any of this info when he worked as a technical writer at Boeing?


5 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:13 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Hmmmm ... yeah. We conquered a big fascist only to have a little fascist pop up in NYC. Ironic!


6 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:58 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Another secret document shows Hitler ordered his space plane department to conduct an outreach to Muslims.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 12:29:06 PM PST by DManA
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To: DogByte6RER

The Germans did have the Condor (Fw-200). A long-range reconnaissance and bomber aircraft with a service range of 3560 km.

It would have made a whole lot more sense to upgrade the Condor than to try to make a ANYTHING launched on huge sled attached to a two mile monorail powered by 36 V-2 rocket engines work.


8 posted on 01/04/2013 12:29:25 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Tublecane
He only plotted; we actually firebombed his cities. Take that, innocent German civilians!

That's the last war we actually won. Bet those "innocents" wish they had stopped him before he launched a war on half the world.
9 posted on 01/04/2013 12:29:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DogByte6RER

"The old RPSSCRP trick, eh?"

10 posted on 01/04/2013 12:30:43 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: cripplecreek
Gee - can we use that logic on Afghanistan or Iraq civilians today?

Why not? Why can't we firebomb and carpet bomb their cities?

That's the last war we actually won. Bet those "innocents" wish they had stopped him before he launched a war on half the world.

11 posted on 01/04/2013 12:31:52 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Actually, if they had pulled it off we might not be stuck with Michael Bloomberg trying to run things!!

Or you would have an eighty-foot radioactive Bloomberg.

12 posted on 01/04/2013 12:34:00 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: DogByte6RER

It would have worked better for the Japanese. They would have had the earth’s rotation working in their favor.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 12:35:50 PM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: 2banana

Kill them till they beg us stop and kill them for a while longer to make sure they get it. Then give them our list of demands. If they want to negotiate, kill them till they unconditionally surrender.


14 posted on 01/04/2013 12:38:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DogByte6RER
The head of the Luftwaffe Hermann Goering banged his sci-fi stuff on the table in anger
15 posted on 01/04/2013 12:40:03 PM PST by mikrofon (Fixed It)
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To: DogByte6RER
"This awesome, fiery blast would propel the craft forward at a coma- inducing 1,200 miles per hour."

The Silverbird would have been travelling at a jaw-rattling 13,000 miles per hour.

Did the author learn space science from Flash Gordon comic strips?
16 posted on 01/04/2013 12:41:02 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: null and void

I am not sure you have that right.

Japan: Earth’s rotation adds to velocity. Good for orbiting a sattelite.

Germany: Earth’s rotation adds to ground speed. Good for reaching a ground target at lower speed/less time.

At least, that’s my take on it.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 12:47:26 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

By golly, I think you’re correct.


18 posted on 01/04/2013 12:50:26 PM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: DogByte6RER

19 posted on 01/04/2013 12:57:48 PM PST by iowamark
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To: cripplecreek

That’s fancy rationalizin. I don’t suppose it matters he never actually launched anything against Western Europe and with us merely said we were at war, though they posed no considerable dire t threat. Oh, aside from a spy or two and transatlantic shipping routes. But blame the Brits as much fir that.

I wonder, in future should some smart aleck say you deserve to die for failing to stop Obama, how would you respond?


20 posted on 01/04/2013 12:59:49 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: null and void

The Japanese used hot air balloons to drop bombs on North America. People were killed (4 or 5?) in Oregon.


21 posted on 01/04/2013 1:07:38 PM PST by wny
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To: Tublecane
I wonder, in future should some smart aleck say you deserve to die for failing to stop Obama, how would you respond?

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it but its pretty obvious the F-tards like yourself would rather run to someone like the UN to save you because you don't have the steel to do what it takes.

BTW, you are aware that Hitler was bombing civilians, right?
22 posted on 01/04/2013 1:17:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DManA
Another secret document shows Hitler ordered his space plane department to conduct an outreach to Muslims.

Relations Between Nazi Germany and the Arab World--Wikipedia

23 posted on 01/04/2013 1:18:04 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: DogByte6RER

"Hitler wanted to bomb this quadrant in his initial plan to destroy New York, however..."

"Yeah, well Hitler was a fool. He had to deal with crossing the Atlantic. I don't plan on using a bomb."

24 posted on 01/04/2013 1:26:53 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: cripplecreek

What on earth does the UN have to do with it? They kill innocents, too. Or at least countries operating under their auspices have.

Oh, I forget, everyone unpleased by thoughts of children roasted alive on city streets because of whom their patents voted for for is a limp-wristed, lillywhite world government leftist.

Yes, the Nazis bombed civilians. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Also, the British started it.


25 posted on 01/04/2013 1:27:50 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: 2banana
The Germans did have the Condor (Fw-200). A long-range reconnaissance and bomber aircraft with a service range of 3560 km.

It would have made a whole lot more sense to upgrade the Condor than to try to make a ANYTHING launched on huge sled attached to a two mile monorail powered by 36 V-2 rocket engines work.

The Junkers JU 390...the "New York Bomber"

26 posted on 01/04/2013 1:29:36 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Tublecane

You’re aware that those German factories we bombed were full of civilians (largely slave labor) aren’t you?

Too bad you and Gandhi weren’t there to negotiate a peaceful settlement for us. The war couldn’t have gone on for much more than another decade or so.


27 posted on 01/04/2013 1:34:25 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: wny

ding! Yep, you right. They used hot air balloons. Killed a family in Oregon.


28 posted on 01/04/2013 1:38:24 PM PST by Theoria
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To: DogByte6RER

Brit tabloids just love to extend WW-II into perpetuity.

God forbid they turn their focus to the abyss the UK is spiraling in to today. The muslim invaders must be laughing their heads off.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 1:43:27 PM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: 2banana

Yeah and it is well known that goat skin tents burn like hell.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 1:43:48 PM PST by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: cripplecreek

Are you under the impression that they only bombed factories directly involved in armament production, or is it that anything connected to the economy which somehow down the line contributes to killing on the front is fair game? That’s been our policy, if not officially, since Sherman, so I guess yours is the established opinion. But it still seems uncivilized and frankly criminal to me.

By the way, I suggest you read up on what “strategic” bombing actually entailed. That factory business is a myth, by the way. They deliberately targeted barracks, apartment complexes, homes, etc. The only way you can accurately call it strategic bombing is if strategy was to kill as many civilians as possible to frighten the nation into surrender. And that’s what it was, essentially: a terror campaign.

You can say it would’ve drug on for a decade. Don’t ask what would happen if we demanded something else than unconditional surrender. Modern warfare means unconditional surrender, and peace is something to worry about afterwards, perhaps shortly before the next war. I bet if they had instituted the barbaric Morgenthau Plan you’d say that was necessary, too.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 1:58:59 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Run along boy, you’re a joke.


32 posted on 01/04/2013 2:00:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Before I run I want one of you Death From Above cheerleaders to tell me outright that terror bombing is good, and that there’s no such thing as a civilian, with no qualifications. I want to know whether you really know that’s what you believe in.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 2:06:17 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

It’s because of people like you that some wars go on and on and on... There needs to be a clear winner and the people need to feel it, unpleasant as that is.


34 posted on 01/04/2013 2:19:50 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Tublecane

Don’t want you to miss your Klan Pink rally.


35 posted on 01/04/2013 2:20:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DogByte6RER

Not really “news”, except to people who don’t read history. The Nazis were famous for drawing-board plans that never materialized.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 2:36:32 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Soft war is never won.

I remember hearing a recording of a message broadcast across Germany after the surrender. It began with the line “We aren’t here to be your friends”. It then explained that any further resistance would be met with overwhelming force of arms. Then there was a round of trial free executions for low level nazis who thought that they could just blend in and disappear.

The allies weren’t completely lawless at the end of the war either. My grandfather said that there were a fair number of allied troops who were charged with crimes against the German people. Apparently it was a big deal when a soldier got dunk and opened fire on a bunch of German POWs.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 2:40:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s great. When your arguments are stupid, you can always fall back on name-calling. Are you going to threaten violence next keyboard commando? In case you miss the subtlety, you’re an ill-informed dumbass.


38 posted on 01/04/2013 2:43:30 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus
The Nazis were famous for drawing-board plans that never materialized.

Their leadership was largely loony tunes. In fact a good many of the German scientists were robbing them blind by putting minimal effort into things they knew wouldn't work and blowing money on their own interests.
39 posted on 01/04/2013 2:47:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ozzymandus

Pathetic pieces of trash get all the respect from me that they deserve.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 2:49:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

“There needs to be a clear winner and the people need to feel it”

Ah, the old no peace without victory philosophy, victory here being judged by the standard of unconditional surrender. I wouldn’t have thought it necessary, but I’ll here briefly mention how the aim of total victory in WWI led rather directly to Naziism and Bolshevism.

Or do you not consider that peace to have been Carthaginian enough? Should we have razed cities and occupied for 50 years the great war losers like we did the losers of 45? Do you honestly consider whatever it was that followed WWII peace?


41 posted on 01/04/2013 3:14:05 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: DogByte6RER

“...powered by 36 V-2 rocket engines. “

Getting ONE V2 to work took painstaking care. Trying to get thirtysix to work in concert has BOOM written all over it.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 3:22:52 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: DogByte6RER
Goering was a WWI flying Ace but he wasn't much of an organization man. The Luftwaffe was an elitist corps that never achieved its potential because its chief failed in his vision. The critical failing of the Luftwaffe was very short range which never was expanded to meet the competition, and which hindered the Luftwaffe time and time again.

This space shot, one of Hitler's "secret superweapons" was never more than an autistic late-night fantasy.

43 posted on 01/04/2013 3:31:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2banana
Gee - can we use that logic on Afghanistan or Iraq civilians today? Why not? Why can't we firebomb and carpet bomb their cities

Brand new Year, same old ignorant drooling a--holes.

44 posted on 01/04/2013 3:35:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Tublecane
They deliberately targeted barracks, apartment complexes, homes, etc. The only way you can accurately call it strategic bombing is if strategy was to kill as many civilians as possible to frighten the nation into surrender. And that’s what it was, essentially: a terror campaign

Who do you mean by "they," punk?

45 posted on 01/04/2013 3:40:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: DogByte6RER

Most of the German secret projects, including this one, were gigantic waists of resources that relied on technology that didn’t exist or provided little return.

This was wildly outside of German capability. But even if it wasn’t, you are talking about a giant investment to deliver a bomb that could have been delivered by a much simpler and cheaper U-boat design.

German secret weapons were generally just wishful thinking.


46 posted on 01/04/2013 3:55:09 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: zot

This is new to me.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 5:54:05 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
This is new to me.

Me, too. I knew the Germans had a lot of far-out plans, but I hadn't heard of this one. The radioactive sand was a viscous idea. I'm glad they didn't use it on London.

48 posted on 01/04/2013 7:02:15 PM PST by zot
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Who do you mean by ‘they,’ punk?”

Allied command. Churchill was simply mad for it.


49 posted on 01/04/2013 7:19:10 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: cripplecreek

Crimes against individual German people, surely, but not “crimes against humanity.” That was something of which only axis members could be guilty, even if the acts in question were known to have been committed by the allies as well. Which gave us the satisfaction of punishing evil alongside our good friends the Russians.


50 posted on 01/04/2013 7:24:14 PM PST by Tublecane
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