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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 1 JANUARY 4, 2013
Free Republic | Jan 4, 2013 | greeneyes

Posted on 01/04/2013 11:01:40 AM PST by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


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Greetings from Missouri. The first thread of the New Year. Hope you all had a great time. We have beautiful sunny weather, and the snow is melting, since we are just a few degrees above freezing.

We enjoyed our garden salad this holiday season with fresh veggies from our garden, indoors and out.

Still have several green peppers on the plants, and new starts of peppers, lemons, spinach, and lettuce in the indoor area.

Have a great weekend. God Bless.

1 posted on 01/04/2013 11:01:51 AM PST by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

Upstate NY here. Cold and snowy but forcing tulip bulbs even as we speak. I have an Aerogarden which I’m growing cukes in. Will be starting the notoriously slow growing peppers and eggplants the end of the month. Loving all the garden mags!! Oh and will be the first year of asparagus to harvest in the Spring. (New Jersey Knight)


2 posted on 01/04/2013 11:07:09 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the Garden List.


3 posted on 01/04/2013 11:08:36 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the Garden List.


4 posted on 01/04/2013 11:09:35 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the Garden List.


5 posted on 01/04/2013 11:10:32 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
I am so happy to see this thread!

I'm a newbie with interest in GMOs, Victory Gardens, and English-style gardens.

I read stuff but haven't really stuck with it. Maybe with thread, now is time!

Do you have a ping list?

6 posted on 01/04/2013 11:16:01 AM PST by hummingbird (Support Hummingbird Migration!)
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To: greeneyes; Hetty_Fauxvert

Pinging to you.


7 posted on 01/04/2013 11:16:11 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Can I get on your ping list?


8 posted on 01/04/2013 11:18:07 AM PST by hummingbird (Support Hummingbird Migration!)
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To: AbolishCSEU

LOL. Yes, now all of a sudden I have so many gardening magazines and catalogs, that I haven’t had time to really do them justice.

What’s the old saying? When it rains it pours?.LOL


9 posted on 01/04/2013 11:18:26 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Hi Greeneyes!

Happy New Year!


10 posted on 01/04/2013 11:18:43 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: greeneyes

Now that is the kind of landscaping which can get my blood flowing :-)

Seriously, it is the main office building in Canada of the company which makes Viagra.

11 posted on 01/04/2013 11:19:55 AM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: hummingbird
Yes I do have a ping list, and will be happy to add your name. I started this little hobby just to have some decent tomatoes with great flavor(not available from stores usually)and fresh veggies without worry about pesticides and E-Coli, and maybe save a few bucks.

I grow heirlooms to avoid GMO’s. Next summer will only be my fourth summer, but we have many who are much more experienced and knowledgable. So dive right in, and welcome.

12 posted on 01/04/2013 11:23:51 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: left that other site

Right back at you. Hope you had a good holiday.


13 posted on 01/04/2013 11:31:43 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Just began starting seeds for this year. Am late because we just bought this property which was nothing but trees. Just about finished with the greenhouse so will be year round from now on as I’m in SC. This year I will be all non GMO and heritage seeds. Even non GMO feeds for all our animals as I am growing fodder in the greenhouse as well. Looks like it will be a good year!


14 posted on 01/04/2013 11:34:08 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: entropy12

I can’t believe it! Plant Porn for real.


15 posted on 01/04/2013 11:34:25 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I watched a couple of old movies.

It was actually quite nice, as I used to do a five-hour solo music act every New Years Eve, and wouldn’t get in till 3:00AM.


16 posted on 01/04/2013 11:37:48 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: CynicalBear

GMO free and year round is about as good as it gets JMHO.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 11:39:41 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Thanks for adding me to ping list!

"I grow heirlooms to avoid GMO’s."

How do you do this? GMOs really spook me.

18 posted on 01/04/2013 11:43:54 AM PST by hummingbird (Support Hummingbird Migration!)
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To: greeneyes
Not much gardening is happening here. :)



19 posted on 01/04/2013 11:44:43 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: left that other site

LOL. We started a low key celebration a tradition several years ago. We have family and friends over for dinner with traditional foods and an international dish to try.

We tried Chinese inspired Hot Pot - kinda like fondue. So all our meat, fish and veggies were cooked at the table. The kids loved it, and tried more veggies than they ever had before.

We didn’t have to worry about entertainment either. It took most of the night for dinner. LOL.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 11:44:58 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: hummingbird

Bakers Creek Seeds is one company that sells heirloom seeds. They test them to make sure they are not GMO.

There are other companies too that you can google. I like Baker’s Creek because they are headquartered in a Missouri town near where I grew up. Plus, they sell only non GMO and are serious about preserving the heritage.

You will pay a little more, maybe but you can save your seed for the next year. GMO free corn is getting harder to come by, so I only get my corn seeds from them now.


21 posted on 01/04/2013 11:50:19 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: trisham

Beautiful Scene for the Holidays, but seriously don’t you have even 1 indoor plant? Green bells do really well indoors just in case you are interested.

Also the Peace Lily will help oxygenate your room, it’s not edible, but needs less light and is beautiful plant.


22 posted on 01/04/2013 11:54:06 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Chinese Hot Pot sounds Wonderful!

In Japan a similar dish is called “Shabu-Shabu”(Splash-Splash)


23 posted on 01/04/2013 11:59:32 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: greeneyes

Getting some slow soaking rain today, but we really need runoff rain. Highland lakes chain is only 43% capacity and should be around 70% or more this time of the year.


24 posted on 01/04/2013 12:11:40 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: greeneyes
Happy new year and 1st edition thread of '13.

I guess I am still procrastinating some, but I did get out my seed inventory and made some choices.

My young ghost peppers have taken a turn for the worse and had some leaves shrivel up and drop off. The soil feels like it is too hard and needs some loosening up. I don't know if I should re-pot them this time of year or not; I would really hate to lose them. Doctoring sick plants is really the toughest part of learning to grow stuff.

25 posted on 01/04/2013 12:15:19 PM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: left that other site

Well, it was different and a big hit with the kids who could win awards for picky eating and great aversion to trying anything that could be a veggie.LOL.

So we might have to try it again.


26 posted on 01/04/2013 12:16:41 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Wow, you still have peppers? The last ones here are drying on a rack. Brrr, it’s freezing in Texas. Some places nearby had snow but we’re in a little warm pocket so it’s just wet and cold.

Yesterday, I froze the last of the ripened tomatoes and finished off the last of the green tomatoes into baked goods. I’ve been trying out several green tomato recipes lately. Here’s the ones from yesterday (all are keepers!):

GREEN TOMATO MUFFINS - makes 2 dozen mini bite sized muffins

1 C diced green tomatoes
1 C flour
1/4 C oil
1 egg
1/3 C water
1/3 C shredded cheese (I used a wee bit of cheddar and one stick of string mozzarella)
dash of salt
1 1/2 T honey
1/2 t baking powder

Bake at 400 about 15 minutes.

GREEN TOMATO BREAD - makes one 8x4” loaf

1 1/2 C flour
1 C diced green tomatoes
1 C sugar
1 egg
1/2 C oil
dash salt
1/2 T baking powder
1 1/2 t cinnamon
dash nutmeg
1 t vanilla

Bake 350 for 45 minutes.

GREEN TOMATO COOKIES - makes 3 dozen 3” drop sized cookies

1 C green tomatoes, pureed (using an immersion hand held chopper thingy you’ll get like half puree and half chunks which is fine)
2 C flour
1 1/2 C oatmeal (quick oat works)
1 C sugar
1 C brown sugar
6 oz white chocolate chips (or take a meat hammer to white almond bark leftover from Christmas)
raisins - however much equals two little boxes
1 egg
1 t vanilla
1 t baking powder
1 1/2 t cinnamon
1 t pumpkin pie spice
dash salt
< 1/4 C water (or however much to get it moist enough)

Bake at 350 for 12 minutes. The best are done when the bottoms get brown. Brown bottoms as in not pale but not burned but to the crispy point.


27 posted on 01/04/2013 12:19:01 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: greeneyes

Red bananas look very nice but I have a lot more of the yellow ones growing. Inevitably the home grown bananas are smaller than the supermarket bought. These red bananas need to ripen more, then they look deeper red all over. I'll put them back in the paper bag. They look great but taste same as the yellows

28 posted on 01/04/2013 12:20:57 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: greeneyes

Another similar dish is Mongolian Fire Pot.

The principles are the same, but some of the ingredients differ.


29 posted on 01/04/2013 12:24:32 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Well, it is better than no rain, but I understand your concern. Are you doing any kind of water collection off your roof? Texas has quite a few articles about the worth and methods of doing that.

I ran across the information when I was researching info on cisterns and water collection. I didn’t save the link though. I think it was one of the university extension services that had a bunch of info.

IIRC, there may also be some kind of tax credit for implementing.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 12:25:16 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: rightly_dividing

My lemon tree sometimes has trouble, but it is usually aphids that they get in the summer when the plant is outdoors.

Any plants that I am growing indoors, I use compost, vermiculite, and peat is roughly equal proportions, or potting mix. Garden soil tends to have too many soil-borne problems in my experience for indoor growing.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 12:28:48 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bgill

Also in the cold/wet part of TX today. Not going to complain about rain as we need as much as we can get at the moment.

Here’s my project for the day:
http://www.globalbuckets.org/2009/06/can-2-buckets-reduce-world-hunger.html

I like the idea of “self-watering” as I have heat related issues so tough to get out and do the necessary watering in July/Aug/Sep when it’s 105 and needs it the most


32 posted on 01/04/2013 12:29:46 PM PST by Mac n Jac (www.vetsfightingms.org)
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To: greeneyes
Purple jalapenos grown in a small container in my window:

Sliced them up with some black-eyed peas for New Year. Got the seeds from Pepper Joe.

Here's the plant they came from:

Yes, that's snow outside.

33 posted on 01/04/2013 12:34:20 PM PST by real saxophonist (I show my friends my 1911. I show my enemies my Glock.)
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To: trisham

Ooooh, Trisham! So beautiful, so serene. Actually, you are gardening if you planted Spring bulbs.. they are just sleeping. Sshhhhh!


34 posted on 01/04/2013 12:37:00 PM PST by momtothree
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To: trisham

Ooooh, Trisham! So beautiful, so serene. Actually, you are gardening if you planted Spring bulbs.. they are just sleeping. Sshhhhh!


35 posted on 01/04/2013 12:37:38 PM PST by momtothree
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To: bgill

Thanks for the recipes. Yes, I still have peppers indoors. I dug up 4 plants at the end of summer, stuck them in pots and set them in front of my SW facing patio doors.

They have been blooming and producing steadily. Two of the plants are fooled you jalepeno, and the others are green bells.

All my green tomatoes are various shades of red. I still have a few left for salads, but they will be gone within a week possibly.

I am seriously thinking about going ahead and planting some more tomatoes even though it is 3 months early, as I plan to grow some in pots outdoors anyway. So why not get them going for a jump start-maybe I could even have vine ripened by the time I am eating the spring lettuce.LOL


36 posted on 01/04/2013 12:44:53 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: dennisw

Bananas don’t grow in Missouri. However, I did see that they have developed a dwarf that is supposed to be adapted to a cooler climate, so I just might have to try it.

Hubby said our best bet for banana flavor is to grow pawpaw tree which is native to Missouri, but I have never eaten one.

Thanks for the picture.


37 posted on 01/04/2013 12:48:00 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: left that other site

That sounds good too. I am thinking that a Spring or Fall get together out doors at our council fire pit using a good old fashiioned cast iron dutch oven and wood fire might provide an interesting combo of early American Pioneer and Asian traditions. LOL.


38 posted on 01/04/2013 12:51:12 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: real saxophonist

Thanks for the pictures. This is my first year for growing peppers indoors. Had I known they would do so well, I would have done it sooner. Planning to grow many more indoors next year.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 1:01:38 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

When I got home after celebrating Christmas at my brother’s place, I was overjoyed to find a stack of gardening catalogs waiting for me. Timing is everything! Granted, I don’t have any money to order with, but the pictures make these cold winter days better.

Mom sprung for a pack of watermelon seeds for me to start on my next plant breeding project. I’ve been looking for a small (less than 5 pounds) watermelon, with good flavor and vigorous growth, that produces well, and if it has the rind that turns yellow when ripe that’s a bonus. I thought I’d found the right one when I bought some Golden Midget seeds, but it was the sickliest, most pathetic-looking plant I’ve ever grown! No vigor at all! Since other growers I talked to had the same experience, I decided to try something else. I’m going to start with Fairy watermelon, which is a hybrid, and if it meets my standards I’ll start breeding it into an open-pollinated variety. I’ve been making progress on doing that with a pumpkin variety. It’ll take a few years to get the characteristics to stabilize, but I think I can do it. Besides, plant breeding is more fun than the lottery!

It’s looking more and more like I’ll be camping out at my land most of next year, and to be honest, I’m looking forward to it! I’ve never felt “right” being in the city, I need open spaces and fresh, wild air. I’d rather have a job to work at, gardening for a living has it’s risks, but at the same time I think it could be the best thing I could do right now.


40 posted on 01/04/2013 1:17:44 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: AbolishCSEU
Upstate NY here. Cold and snowy but forcing tulip bulbs even as we speak. I have an Aerogarden which I’m growing cukes in. Will be starting the notoriously slow growing peppers and eggplants the end of the month. Loving all the garden mags!! Oh and will be the first year of asparagus to harvest in the Spring. (New Jersey Knight)

I just ordered all my garden stuff for the spring and decided to get some asparagus myself.

It's going in soon as possible, like June or so if it stops snowing by then.

But hey, it IS after Mother's Day. ;)

41 posted on 01/04/2013 1:18:08 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: greeneyes
Anyone use one of these green houses? I picked one up at HD yesterday, onsale for $50. they had one set up and couldn't pass it up. The size 6x5x6.5 which seems a bit on the smaller side, but good enough to start my seeds early this year.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 1:19:53 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: greeneyes

Living in a 3rd floor flat, container gardening is all I have. Right now I have some cherry tomatoes in a couple of hanging baskets, and various peppers in various pots. Hopefully I’ll have some habaneros soon. Yes, with snow outside. Northern Colorado.


43 posted on 01/04/2013 1:27:40 PM PST by real saxophonist (I show my friends my 1911. I show my enemies my Glock.)
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To: hummingbird
"I grow heirlooms to avoid GMO’s."

How do you do this? GMOs really spook me.


In the seed description, watch for terms like "heirloom" or "open-pollinated", some will also have stories in the description, like with Mortgage Lifter tomatoes, which were developed in the 1930's by a man desperate not to lose his house.

The majority of hybrids are *not* GMO, but if you save your own seed it's a bit of a gamble, because the characeristics aren't stable beyond the first generation. So, a plant from a hybrid tomato seed will match what it says on the packet, but seeds saved from that plant might be different. If you're just thinking about saving your own seed from year to year, it would probably be best to start with heirlooms. They're more reliable.

Be aware that most corn is contaminated with GMO genes, even if the seed producer didn't intend it. That's because corn is one of the most popular GMO plants, and the pollen can travel for miles, getting to plants several fields away. If you want to try an heirloom corn, check to make sure it's been tested for the presence of GMO's first.
44 posted on 01/04/2013 1:31:52 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: greeneyes; Black Agnes

Here’s a link from Black Agnes regarding catnip:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2974976/posts


45 posted on 01/04/2013 1:37:39 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Ellendra

I like the sugar baby watermelon and minnesota midget cantaloupe.

Both are open pollinated varieties that have been around a long time, and have produced pretty well, though not last year with the heat and drought.


46 posted on 01/04/2013 1:41:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: CJ Wolf

Sometimes small fits. I’ll bet a hundred watt bulb or two could go a long way to heating enough at night to maybe even grow stuff in the winter too.

I’d probably put that door right up to the door to my house so I wouldn’t have to go out in the cold, and give it a go. LOL.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 1:44:58 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Thanks, that mix sounds like Mel's mix if my memory is working right.

I used whatever potting soil that my wife had when I stepped them up to 4" pots. Now I regret that. I guess I will have to mix my own now. I hear that if you ever start mixing your own, you can never go back to ready made potting mix.

48 posted on 01/04/2013 1:46:54 PM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: real saxophonist

Do you use grow lights, or do you have a decent window or two?


49 posted on 01/04/2013 1:48:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: hummingbird
Another non GMO seed company is Southern Exposure Seed Exchange.

Southern Exposure Seed Exchange

I got 3 varieties of non GMO corn, 2 for my chickens and 1 for us humans. One of the varieties, Jellicorse, supposedly sets ears in extreme heat temps.

Another good company that sells hybrids and open pollinated varieties but NOT GMO stuff is Johnny's Seeds.

Johnny's Seeds

A lot of the hybrids that Johnny's does sell are ones they've developed in house. They're your grandmother's hybrids. All the tomato hybrids parents were tomato plants. All the pepper hybrids parents were peppers. And so forth. There are other similar companies such as Territorial Seed.

We're going to try to grow chicken feed this year. I've got the corn seed from Southern Exposure (Jellicorse and Texas Gourdseed), some grain sorghum varieties, and some millet ordered from R. H. Shumway.

Look for companies that have at least signed the 'safe seed pledge'.

50 posted on 01/04/2013 1:56:10 PM PST by Black Agnes
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