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Schoolboy, 12, who admitted 22 offences including sexual assault, theft ... is released.....
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Posted on 01/03/2013 7:31:32 PM PST by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Schoolboy, 12, who admitted 22 offences including sexual assault, theft and criminal damage is released without sentence because he has an IQ of just 58

A boy of 12 who carried out more than 20 criminal acts was today released without charge - because the courts have no legal way to deal with him.

A judge heard the child's behaviour has 'deteriorated beyond control' but his low IQ means that he cannot properly understand the court process.

The judge described the situation as the 'perfect storm' as there is no way that the court could accept a guilty plea from him, as he cannot understand the implications of his acts, and they could not follow doctor's recommendations, as the boy had not been convicted.

The boy initally entered 22 guilty pleas in July for offences including sexual assault, racially aggravated assault, theft, common assault and criminal damage.

The case has since been back before the courts 15 times in a bid to find a way to deal with the boy, who is originally from Portsmouth, Hanmpshire.

But psychiatric and psychologists' reports established the youngster - who is now in foster care - has an IQ of just 58.

That puts him in the bottom three per cent for his age and unable to understand the implications of his acts.

Because of the reports, district judge Anthony Callaway allowed new, not guilty pleas to be entered for all the charges under common law powers. Making a finding of fact, district judge Callaway found the boy had committed the acts around Portsmouth city centre, mostly in May and June.

But because the boy could not participate in any meaningful way in court proceedings, he could not be found guilty.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: child; crime
I fail to understand how he can have an IQ of 58 but be smart enough to commit that many crimes.
1 posted on 01/03/2013 7:31:40 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Send him to military school, up the iq ,
then apply the punishments .


2 posted on 01/03/2013 7:36:39 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Morgana

With an IQ of 58 I see a career in Congress in his future.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 7:37:50 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: Morgana

At an IQ of 58, he’d still have enough intelligence to seek out his instinctual desires, just not enough intelligence to know how to restrain himself or empathize with his victims.

He’d be in an institution, but the liberals closed those. So, he will have to be taken care of when he breaks into somebody’s home.


4 posted on 01/03/2013 7:42:45 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

I don’t know if liberals in England shut down mental asylums. This is not American.


5 posted on 01/03/2013 7:47:35 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Morgana

I’ve always heard that ignorance of the law is no excuse. This little monster will destroy many more lives until someone “deals” with the situation. I’m tired of hearing of these “Disturbed” kids that don’t get help and constantly get released by the courts. Then people cry about how could this happen....


6 posted on 01/03/2013 7:47:59 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: Jonty30
...just not enough intelligence to know how to restrain himself or empathize with his victims.

Empathy and constraint aren't that closely linked to intelligence. I've never in my life seen a person with Downs Syndrome that wasn't empathetic. Meanwhile, highly intelligent people who lack empathy are the most deadly psychopaths.

We are agree on the need to institutionalize such persons.

7 posted on 01/03/2013 7:49:40 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Morgana

I’m sure he was easy to catch as he didn’t know to cover his trail. He probably did the deeds in the daylight in front of anyone who was around.

As a psychological examiner, I tested a young man for Texas Rehab. who was just out of prison for stealing car tires from a service station. He had a low IQ, which is why he tried to steal the tires out in the daylight in the middle of the day. He didn’t have enough intelligence to try to hide his deed from anyone. I doubt he knew he was stealing.

This is a catch 22 for people with low IQs. If they don’t have a family member who takes care of them, feeds them properly and knows where they are at all times, anything can happen.


8 posted on 01/03/2013 7:53:33 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Morgana

At the risk of receiving the ire of everyone here, there was a time when such things were dealt with.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Suppose a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or mother, even though they discipline him. In such a case, the father and mother must take the son to the elders as they hold court at the town gate. The parents must say to the elders, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey. He is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of his town must stone him to death. In this way, you will purge this evil from among you, and all Israel will hear about it and be afraid.


9 posted on 01/03/2013 7:55:19 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; Jonty30
mental asylums

Yes most of the asylums where shut down.
This occurred during the 80's and early 90's.
Only the very worst or new cases are held in asylums for any period of time.
If your medication holds you at a tolerable level,out the door you go!
It is called: Care in the community.
As a result tens of thousands of new care jobs were created to 'help out', and make the mess work.

10 posted on 01/03/2013 7:58:45 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. Back from the Edge of the World, the results may shock you!)
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To: All

Did this kid sit down and take an IQ test ?


11 posted on 01/03/2013 8:03:23 PM PST by Celerity
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To: Jeff Chandler

He’s not an American, so he wouldn’t be eligible to run for Congress. Hmmm, for what federal office could a foreign born idiot with an IQ of 58 run?


12 posted on 01/03/2013 8:07:34 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Morgana
He is acting out. A person with low intelligence doesn't act with reason. They see something they are interested in or think they want or want to touch and they touch the object. If that is a person they may be in violation of the law by touching in a sexual manner or other seemingly violent or violating way.

He can not be held legally responsible with a conviction because he doesn't have the mental capacity to aid in his own defense.

with his low IQ a good dose of adolescent testosterone and he becomes a walking hormone with no internal controls at all.

This is a very sad situation and the only real answer is a life of institutionalization. I do not know if the British system, or any system is set up to care properly for this type of person.

13 posted on 01/03/2013 8:09:59 PM PST by Jim from C-Town
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To: Morgana

Hmmmmm if at the time of an offense we can spank our dogs with a rolled up newspaper, and make the dog understand good from bad, right from wrong, and if we can rub their noses in their bad, and make the animal, the pet understand not to do THAT again where the animal, the pet did it, then how can it be this kid with an IQ above that of an animal cannot be taught right from wrong, etc?

Must be a bunch of Liberals trying to figure out what to do with this kid, because anybody with sense would know what to do.


14 posted on 01/03/2013 8:11:31 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

Then there is the Arab option: Strap a suicide vest on the person. Tell him/her to walk over to x, then blow them up at a convenient time.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 8:13:24 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Well, that might be a little too Old Testament for today. A good institution that will help him while protecting the general public is highly in order.
16 posted on 01/03/2013 8:14:17 PM PST by Jim from C-Town
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

they kid here is not stubborn just stupid. Literally. 58 on the IQ? I am surprised he can tie his own shoes.

They did not have institutions back then but they had a way of dealing with crazies or out of control people. Usually tied them to a tree or something.

FReepers are correct he needs in an institution.


17 posted on 01/03/2013 8:16:44 PM PST by Morgana (Happy New Year)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I do not know if the British system, or any system is set up to care properly for this type of person.

Once he becomes a serious danger to others ,or more likely seriously harmed or killed ,there are special prisons for the mentally unstable.
Broadmore,Ashworth,Rampton.

18 posted on 01/03/2013 8:18:10 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day. Back from the Edge of the World, the results may shock you!)
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To: Rembrandt; Jim from C-Town; Morgana

Those were some interesting responses.

There are some great requirements in this law: Mom and Dad both have to bring the kid forward after trying to discipline him. All of the men must take part in his death.

“All Israel will hear about it and be afraid.”

It could be summed up as “don’t be a dick and you won’t get killed.”


19 posted on 01/03/2013 8:24:07 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Poison his jail food, see if he can comprehend the meaning of that act.


20 posted on 01/03/2013 8:32:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

That’s Old Testament... shall we then stone you for gathering wood on the Sabbath?


21 posted on 01/03/2013 8:33:47 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Java4Jay

If it were legal to stone me for gathering wood on the Sabbath, I think I’d have my **** together and get enough wood to see me through on the day before the Sabbath.


22 posted on 01/03/2013 8:39:06 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop)
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To: Morgana

This versus the kid in trouble for pointing his fingers and saying POW?

Lord, it’s time to end it.

It’s time.


23 posted on 01/03/2013 8:43:06 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: rockinqsranch
“Hmmmmm if at the time of an offense we can spank our dogs with a rolled up newspaper, and make the dog understand good from bad, right from wrong, and if we can rub their noses in their bad, and make the animal, the pet understand not to do THAT again where the animal, the pet did it, then how can it be this kid with an IQ above that of an animal cannot be taught right from wrong, etc”

Don't try that in SanFracico, you will get busted for abuse!

24 posted on 01/03/2013 9:00:03 PM PST by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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To: Morgana

The actual criminals are all who practice political correctness and leftist politics, worldwide! This boy would of been properly taken care of, if it wasn’t for the ongoing and worsening of political correctness and leftist politics!


25 posted on 01/03/2013 9:11:53 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: Morgana

Put him in the monkey cage at the zoo.....


26 posted on 01/03/2013 10:22:19 PM PST by varmintman
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To: Morris70

Lose your way to DU? Putz


27 posted on 01/03/2013 10:28:26 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (That Queer Kenyan muzzy bastard is not my president. ENFORCE the Bill of Rights.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
I’d [...] get enough wood to see me through on the day before the Sabbath.

It would be very easy because you'd have no use for firewood on Sabbath.

28 posted on 01/03/2013 10:47:25 PM PST by Greysard
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To: S.O.S121.500

They claimed his iq was too low.
Just thought military school raise it a few notches then he takes his medicine.

If your intelligent enough to do the crime, then your intelligent enough to do the time in my book.


29 posted on 01/03/2013 10:48:05 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Greysard

You get the Sabbath goy to build your fire on the Sabbath.


30 posted on 01/04/2013 1:00:45 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Morgana

He might have Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. They have limited intelligence, but also often have violent and criminal tendencies. Hard to say if the latter is inborn, or is the result of growing up with a parent of the type who would give one such an affliction.


31 posted on 01/04/2013 1:03:07 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Morgana

Someday soon, a victim, or the father of a victim, or the brother of a victim will kill the boy.
You can only hope it happens before the boy kills somebody.
(shrug)
What can you do?


32 posted on 01/04/2013 1:11:31 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Morgana

This is a child we used to refer to as “retarded” but that’s not acceptable anymore; today he gets mainstreamed. In the bad old days the rest of us were protected from unfortunate children like him, and I bear him no ill will, by separating him from society to protect us and him. sooner or later he’s going to cross the wrong person and end up injured or worse.


33 posted on 01/04/2013 3:40:22 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Morgana

Here’s my two cents. A low I.Q. and criminal behavior are two separate things. For example, my local grocery store hires Down Syndrome and “mentally challenged” people to help pack groceries and pack the car (if requested). Unlike some of the shoppers who ignore them, I have introduced myself to all of them. They know me by name. They are kind, interesting, opinionated, helpful and most of all.. assets to the store. One day, Arnie, told me that he saw a Dad hit his child in the store. He was so upset. “No one should hurt someone else, especially a child. People should help each other and never hurt someone”.

My point is that evil can exist in the highest I.Q. and the lowest. However, that is evil. Goodness can be chosen by either group as well. IMHO.


34 posted on 01/04/2013 5:15:18 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Morgana
they kid here is not stubborn just stupid. Literally. 58 on the IQ? I am surprised he can tie his own shoes.

Lots of "inner city" kids know that a low IQ score is a "get out of jail free" card. So they deliberately score low.

35 posted on 01/04/2013 5:23:04 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Morgana

That is the average IQ of someone from Central Africa.


36 posted on 01/04/2013 7:11:41 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: jakerobins
I’ve always heard that ignorance of the law is no excuse. This little monster will destroy many more lives until someone “deals” with the situation. I’m tired of hearing of these “Disturbed” kids that don’t get help and constantly get released by the courts. Then people cry about how could this happen...

This is more than ignorance of the law; it's ignorance of right and wrong. The child literally doesn't know what he's doing, and that he shouldn't do it.

Other comments about institutionalization are spot-on. This is precisely the sort of person who needs to be in constant psychiatric care. He's dangerous to the public and doesn't know it.

37 posted on 01/04/2013 7:17:27 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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