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6 Home Defense Carbines, 5 are NOT ARís
The Daily Caller ^ | March 15, 2012 | Michael Piccione

Posted on 12/26/2012 7:00:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s talk home defense.

First things first, shotguns are devastatingly powerful. Nothing can compare to the 12 gauge at close range. Even birdshot, which is still one mass of moving lead at close range, will tear a human to shreds. In my battery I have a Remington 870 and a bandoleer of slugs and buck ready to go for when the SHTF. You don’t lose much with a 20 gauge at close range either and you gain some agility with a smaller gun, and more family members are likely to respond better to the 20.

The second point I’d like to make is on handguns for home defense. Shoot the biggest cartridge you can handle.

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Hi-Point Carbine

This is the least expensive gun on the list with a suggested retail price of $285. You can get them in 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP. The added barrel length as a rule of thumb will add 300 feet per second making even a 9mm a good stopper and even better with +P loads. The specs on this gun make it a good home defense choice; 16.5” barrel, length 31” and it weighs 6.25 lbs. Now here is the rub, some folks flat out hate these guns. Others love them. I’m indifferent right now because I don’t have a lot of range time to make up my mind but that will change because my neighbor just got one...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Military/Veterans; Outdoors; Reference
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; selfdefense
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1 posted on 12/26/2012 7:00:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Comments on one of these threads is guaranteed.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 7:01:53 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The best gun is the one you have when you need it. As long as it goes bang then it will be a game changer. Nobody wants to be shot with even a .22

For the home I prefer a 12 guage or a .45 but I found some tests which found the 5.56 round had the least penetration through sheetrock walls. It only went through 3 simulated walls.


3 posted on 12/26/2012 7:05:52 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am interested in the Hi Point carbine in .45 cal. I would appreciate any range reports from current owners.


4 posted on 12/26/2012 7:07:30 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t have anything with which to defend myself. Come on in...


5 posted on 12/26/2012 7:14:32 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SVTCobra03

I’ve had the C9 9mm pistol for some time now and think it’s probably the best value for the money out there. Can’t afford the carbine at this time.


6 posted on 12/26/2012 7:14:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: driftdiver

12ga/45 is safe bet. I like how the first two listed were my favorite rugers.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 7:16:15 PM PST by enraged
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The second point I’d like to make is on handguns for home defense. Shoot the biggest cartridge you can handle.

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8 posted on 12/26/2012 7:16:21 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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454 Casull = too much recoil

HiPoint carbine - I’d go with the 45ACP

AR - be sure to have something like Hornady TAP ammo or maybe some frangible ammo for inside the house.

And please tell me where I can get an AR for $650.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 7:17:14 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think I’d opt for an old, honestly-used lever gun in .44 or .357 rather than a highpoint. JMO.


10 posted on 12/26/2012 7:19:05 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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Not recommended for apartment dwellers...


11 posted on 12/26/2012 7:19:25 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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And please tell me where I can get an AR for $650.

I could tell you where but that's not the problem. The problem is when. Do you have ready access to a time travel machine?

12 posted on 12/26/2012 7:20:08 PM PST by BipolarBob (Bitter, clinging to my Bible and AR-15.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Keep your eye out for an old Marlin camp carbine in .45acp.


13 posted on 12/26/2012 7:29:05 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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AR - be sure to have something like Hornady TAP ammo or maybe some frangible ammo for inside the house.

No frangible! Frangible is for shooting steel and breaking up. Drywall is not harder than the cartridge. It will tear through your home and your neighbor's home.

#4 Buckshot in a 12/20 gauge shotgun with a light or 45/40/9 in handgun with a light.

14 posted on 12/26/2012 7:31:34 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: smokingfrog

Wal-Mart, until Sandy Hook happened. Had some really nice ones.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 7:31:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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16 posted on 12/26/2012 7:36:19 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The section on handguns was ignorant. There are many valid reasons that a SHTF handgun should be a 9mm, such as weight of the ammo, ubiquity of the ammo, cost of training with the round, etc. An invalid reason to knock the 9mm would be its non-performance in the hands of gang bangers using FMJ ammo from Wal*Mart.

Most unabashed fans of bigger bore handguns have likely never shot at a target trying to avoid being hit. They also likely never have seen how hard it is to achieve solid hits in a two way shooting range.

If higher capacity carbines trump the shotgun's low capacity but generally more powerful ammunition, for ease firing and time of firing without reloading, and ease of other family members being able to achieve hits with it, etc,, the double stack 9mm holds the same type of advantages over the single stack .45ACP or 6-8 shot .357 Magnum revolver.
17 posted on 12/26/2012 7:37:49 PM PST by Goldsborough
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I know someone is in the house, I’m with the Saiga 12 at the top of the stairs as wife calls 911 holding her 870. If I have to investigate, I’m taking my M&P .45 and light. A rifle and shotgun can’t corner/quarter as well and are easier to grab by bad guy hiding.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 7:40:06 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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I thought frangible was what air marshals used. Or are they using something like Glaser safety slugs?


19 posted on 12/26/2012 7:40:29 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Last month at the gun show in Monroeville Pa., they were selling complete lower AR recievers in Polymer for 149.95. Uppers from Midway were selling at a starting price of 409.00.

How well does a polymer reciver stand up? Glocks, Rugers, Springfields seem to do OK. I don't know.

20 posted on 12/26/2012 7:46:39 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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