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Fighting Shaped Human Hands
The Journal of Experimental Biology ^ | December 19, 2012 | The Journal of Experimental Biology

Posted on 12/21/2012 3:34:08 AM PST by Makana

— The human hand is a finely tuned piece of equipment that is capable of remarkable dexterity: creating art, performing music and manipulating tools. Yet David Carrier from the University of Utah suggests that the human hand may have also evolved its distinctive proportions for a less enlightened reason: for use as a weapon.

In a new study, Carrier and colleague Michael Morgan publish their theory that human hands evolved their square palms and long thumb to stabilise the fist and produce a compact club for use in combat.

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Outdoors; Science
KEYWORDS: combat; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; human; science
If only Bruce Lee could read this...
1 posted on 12/21/2012 3:34:21 AM PST by Makana
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To: Makana

And remember kids, this marvelous piece of adaptable engineering crawled up from the mud, climbed down from the tree and just ... you know ... happened.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 3:41:36 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Makana

...and a forefinger for the nose. How convenient was that?


3 posted on 12/21/2012 3:46:01 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Makana

Oh crap. Now SanFranNan will be calling for a ban on hands...


4 posted on 12/21/2012 3:47:23 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Makana
Fighting Shaped Human Hands

God Shaped Human Hands

5 posted on 12/21/2012 3:53:57 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Hot Tabasco
Actually, BETTER than a forefinger is the 'swiss knife' concept of different sizes for various angles.

adaptability is the key.

6 posted on 12/21/2012 3:55:14 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Makana

Chuck Norris’s hands didn’t evolve; they punched their way into existence. Primordial soup was actually primordial rock until it met Chuck Norris.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 3:57:02 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Makana

Let me guess, there is a government grant involved.

One thing I’ve noticed is how differently a strange menacing dog treats you when you have a stick in your hand. Wielding sticks is an overlooked human talent. Take some kids to the woods, and the first thing they do is find a really good stick. Look at photos of primitive people; they almost always have sticks in their hands. It’s what hands are for.


8 posted on 12/21/2012 4:14:24 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Makana

If hands were made for fighting then why do they break so easy? Anyone who’s spent any time in the ring will know what I’m talking about. Boxing gloves are there to protect YOUR hands, not the other guy’s face.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 4:14:56 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Hot Tabasco
and a forefinger for the nose. How convenient was that?

C'mon......don't you know that the forefinger is for pulling the trigger ???
I'm surprised the study didn't come to that conclusion...

10 posted on 12/21/2012 4:27:56 AM PST by Mopp4
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To: laweeks

no doubt the same god invented the boot ~ get real, all living things are designed however they are designed to fight and survive!


11 posted on 12/21/2012 4:40:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Born to Conserve

Which is why the notion doesn’t work. Just about any old stick or rock is a much better weapon than the hand, however it is shaped.

It is ridiculous to think the shape of the hand as weapon could have conferred any evolutionary advantage when much more efficient weapons are lying around all over the place.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 4:44:52 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Born to Conserve

Several years ago, I was friends with a young mother. My own kids were about 8 and 10 and her son was about one.

She was a neighbor who’d come visit with me for parenting advice and one thing that I stressed was that boys and girls were different.

I told her to watch her son on walks. Before he turned two, he’d be finding sticks to carry and swing about. Girls rarely did this.

I remember when he was about a year and a half old she called me excitedly yelling, “He found a stick! He found his first stick!! I mean he made a bee-line for it! That was amazing!”

I assured her that her son was very advanced for his age. ;-)

It’s pure instinct and I’ve never known a boy who didn’t do this. Sometimes girls will, but boys are positively driven.

Sadly, I’ve known plenty of mothers who shout, “Put that down!” They don’t understand that this is a natural thing for little boys to do.


13 posted on 12/21/2012 4:58:50 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: circlecity
Boxing gloves are there to protect YOUR hands, not the other guy’s face.

Actually, gloves are there to protect the other guy's face, primarily. They make boxing look less violent, the reason they were invented. While at the same time making it much more dangerous for the boxers, which was purely an unintended consequence.

In the old days men boxed bare-handed. Bare hands cut up the faces, and blood went everywhere, upsetting women, wimps and liberals. (But I repeat myself.) Since the hand makes a lousy club, despite this article, a boxer just couldn't hit hard enough to actually do damage to the other guy's brain without breaking his finger bones.

So he didn't hit that hard. Not more than once per hand, anyway.

Bring in padded gloves. They spread the impact across both the hands and the face. A boxer can punch as hard as he wants without breaking his hands. Facial skin damage is minimized, so women and wussies don't get offended by flying blood.

But the recipient of the punches has his brain bouncing off the sides of his skull, resulting in multiple mini-strokes, which eventually produces the condition known as being "punchy." Look at Muhammad Ali.

Punchiness was more or less unknown before the invention of the boxing glove. The faces of veteran boxers were scarred to the max, but their minds were still functional.

This is one of the great classic examples of how liberal policies to address surface unpleasantness often make the situation a great deal worse, but in ways that are less obvious and thus acceptable.

To them. Nobody bothered to ask the boxers if they'd rather bleed a little and be scarred or suffer permanent serious brain damage.

This is actually similar to the difference in injury rate between (American) football and rugby. With all its "protective" equipment football allows the players to hit each other with full power, while rugby, with no pads, enforces lower impact speeds. Football has a much higher incidence and greater severity of injuries.

14 posted on 12/21/2012 5:09:38 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Makana

Yes, our hands evolved to fit the grips of handguns.

:^)


15 posted on 12/21/2012 5:21:50 AM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: Makana
... suggests that the human hand may have ...

Tell me, again, why we're supposed to consider "scientists" more reliable than my 8-year-old. James is full of theories about dinosaurs that are just as provable as this man's "suggestion" that the hand "may have."

16 posted on 12/21/2012 5:46:37 AM PST by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: Makana
human hands evolved their square palms and long thumb to stabilise the fist and produce a compact club for use in combat

Uh huh. Because an opposable thumb wasn't useful for other things, like, say, gripping tools and manipulating items found in nature ... Characteristics that would give their owners a huge step up on the evolutionary ladder.

The fact is, the human fist, unless it's in the "hands" of someone like Mike Tyson, isn't a particularly formidable weapon. Just about any animal can do major damage to a man. The only thing that saves us is our brains, and in the case of a lot of Democrats, that would have consigned them to the category of "snack."

This strikes me as a couple of irrelevant revisionists looking for a vehicle to justify their salaries ...

17 posted on 12/21/2012 5:57:01 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
The palm is more powerful than the fist, and once it has made contact, the fingers are there to seize and rip and tear. Take an early man's use of his bare hands as daily tools especially digging tools for roots, tubers, etc. and you have dextrous and tough digits that are very weaponized. Tiger Kung Fu practicioners strive to recreate this hand development by driving their hands and fingers into gravel, pushups on their fingertips, seizing canvas bags full of chains and tossing them in the air using their fingertips, etc. I once had a discussion with a University of Wyoming student who thought early man couldn't have processed meat before he had mastered toolmaking, and I countered that early man had much stronger fingers from daily use than I, and after using my teeth to make an initial hole in the hide, I could field dress, section and butcher out an antelope carcass with my fingers.

In addition, when primates strike with their "hands", it's also with the palm heel as the point of blunt contact, then once contact is made, the fingers to seize and tear. I refer to the unfortunate incidents where chimps seem to go for tearing people's faces off.

Psalm 144: "Blessed be the LORD my Strength; Who teaches my hands to war, and my fingers to fight."

18 posted on 12/21/2012 7:36:37 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: knarf

I am still waiting for pinkies to disappear : )


19 posted on 12/21/2012 8:16:05 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: fattigermaster

I studied Yi Li Chuan kung fu for a number of years and we learned what they called a “dragon” or “two-point” fist. The strike was with the first knuckles of the index and middle fingers with the fist loosely held and the knuckles in line with the forearm. But this was an internal style and we were told that it was not the force of the blow that mattered but the concentration of “chi” at the instant of contact. The palm was considered more effective as a striking instrument, for the reasons you describe. Although Yi Li was not about grabbing and holding.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 8:22:09 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Hot Tabasco
...and a forefinger for the nose. How convenient was that?

And a fingernail on the end of it! Brilliant!

21 posted on 12/21/2012 8:32:31 AM PST by Starstruck (Washinton is presently building a diving board on the fiscal cliff)
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To: IronJack

When you get to a certain level of proficiency and grip strength, heavy strikes are unnecessary. I’ll slap a shoulder and let fingers dig in, and that arm is no longer effective, nor can he pull away.

If you’ve ever given deep massage, you know as you work to loosen a muscle you shouldn’t press your fingers underneath it, because it hurts. All the nerve packages going down a limb are put underneath the stressbearing muscles for protection. If you grab a bicep by the lower insertion (near the elbow) in your hands, and squeeze as though you want your thumb and fingertips to meet underneath the muscle, not only is there great pain but the movement of the lower arm by the bicep is reduced almost to nil.

The object is to develop the grip and technique so seizing any part of the body...even a pec or a handful of belly skin...you’re able to hang on even if your body weight is hanging from that grip. Takes time to develop even close to that. Another part is to learn the body well enough to know what muscles and joints are vulnerable and what angles to work on them from. For instance, the hand on the shoulder move, if your L hand is on his R shoulder, your R hand grasping his throat, press your R elbow against your L hand, “straightening” his body so his free arm is away from you, and can’t reach you. His R arm is partially immobile from fingers penetrating underneath the muscle of his shoulder, and your L elbow guards against what limited motion it has. Then settling into a solid stance to guard against any wild motions, you can give his windpipe a suggestive squeeze and ask just how badly your attacker wants to continue. Catch and release, no harm done except some black fingerprints, maybe some trouble speaking if he was hard to convince.

I had problems when I was young breaking the last outer bone in my hand using a normal fist, so many years ago I started training what they call a “goose fist”. If you’ve ever made a goose shadow on the wall with your flashlight, you hold your hand very much the same, don’t even make a fist, really...just touch your thumb to the middle of your forefinger and tighten the fingers together so it cups the palm. It takes a little training, but it has advantages...your hand remains open for seizing, plus it focuses the point of impact on the middle knuckle. If you press a fist into modeling clay, you get an impression of knuckles and fingers, press a goose fist into clay and you get one deep depression from the isolated middle knuckle.

Anyway, martial arts is always great exercise, head to toe, and my favorite spiel is, if exercise is a part of your daily life anyway, why not pursue an exercise that might save your bacon someday?


22 posted on 12/21/2012 9:35:21 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: IronJack

When you get to a certain level of proficiency and grip strength, heavy strikes are unnecessary. I’ll slap a shoulder and let fingers dig in, and that arm is no longer effective, nor can he pull away.

If you’ve ever given deep massage, you know as you work to loosen a muscle you shouldn’t press your fingers underneath it, because it hurts. All the nerve packages going down a limb are put underneath the stressbearing muscles for protection. If you grab a bicep by the lower insertion (near the elbow) in your hands, and squeeze as though you want your thumb and fingertips to meet underneath the muscle, not only is there great pain but the movement of the lower arm by the bicep is reduced almost to nil.

The object is to develop the grip and technique so seizing any part of the body...even a pec or a handful of belly skin...you’re able to hang on even if your body weight is hanging from that grip. Takes time to develop even close to that. Another part is to learn the body well enough to know what muscles and joints are vulnerable and what angles to work on them from. For instance, the hand on the shoulder move, if your L hand is on his R shoulder, your R hand grasping his throat, press your R elbow against your L hand, “straightening” his body so his free arm is away from you, and can’t reach you. His R arm is partially immobile from fingers penetrating underneath the muscle of his shoulder, and your L elbow guards against what limited motion it has. Then settling into a solid stance to guard against any wild motions, you can give his windpipe a suggestive squeeze and ask just how badly your attacker wants to continue. Catch and release, no harm done except some black fingerprints, maybe some trouble speaking if he was hard to convince.

I had problems when I was young breaking the last outer bone in my hand using a normal fist, so many years ago I started training what they call a “goose fist”. If you’ve ever made a goose shadow on the wall with your flashlight, you hold your hand very much the same, don’t even make a fist, really...just touch your thumb to the middle of your forefinger and tighten the fingers together so it cups the palm. It takes a little training, but it has advantages...your hand remains open for seizing, plus it focuses the point of impact on the middle knuckle. If you press a fist into modeling clay, you get an impression of knuckles and fingers, press a goose fist into clay and you get one deep depression from the isolated middle knuckle.

Anyway, martial arts is always great exercise, head to toe, and my favorite spiel is, if exercise is a part of your daily life anyway, why not pursue an exercise that might save your bacon someday?


23 posted on 12/21/2012 9:36:22 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Makana
In a new study, Carrier and colleague Michael Morgan publish their theory that human hands evolved their square palms and long thumb to stabilise the fist and produce a compact club for use in combat.

Following this logic, the arm should be tipped with a hoof to make the club concept work.

The hand evolved from an arboreal ancestry. It then got freed up to handle tools and weapons. Nothing new in this.

24 posted on 12/21/2012 1:38:46 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Makana; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Makana.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


25 posted on 04/07/2013 10:48:57 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
"and a forefinger for the nose. How convenient was that?"

don't forget those handy-dandy nails on the ends for scratching what itches...

26 posted on 04/07/2013 11:18:19 AM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Use Weaponized Prayer)
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To: Sherman Logan
Finally! Some one who thinks as I do about "protective" sports equipment.

They make the sport more dangerous not less.

People used to ask me why I wouldn't have my nieces wear elbow/knee pads and were shocked at my response that a skinned knee will not do them any major harm.

Heartless!

But while they had a number of owies they never did themselves any major damage.

Their friends on the other hand were in and out of emergency because the "protective" gear made them feel like they wouldn't get hurt so they did stunts that were down right stupid.

27 posted on 04/07/2013 11:19:13 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: Sherman Logan

I see some scary parallels to modern padded-to-the-max football helmets.


28 posted on 04/07/2013 11:36:00 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Bob

For some reason, the last part of your post didn’t appear when I replied to it. You’re absolutely right regarding football helmets encouraging actions that cause serious brain injuries.


29 posted on 04/07/2013 11:43:23 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yup.

Another example of the modern and/or liberal tendency to avoid surface unpleasantness while doing much greater harm out of sight is the ending of corporal punishment for minor crimes.

Used to be a 17 year old kid who committed minor criminality would be flogged, spend a few days on his belly and resolve NEVER to do that again.

Today we lock ‘em up for a week or two to be intimidated, brutalized and/or gang-raped repeatedly by older and tougher convicts, but we pretend that doesn’t happen. So we can continue patting ourselves on the back for our superior “humanity” to our ancestors.


30 posted on 04/07/2013 12:09:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Disambiguator

Maybe the grips of hanguns “evolved” to fit the grip of our hands?


31 posted on 04/08/2013 3:35:45 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: fattigermaster

The West had pretty good fighting skills, too.

32 posted on 04/08/2013 8:43:24 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Marie

Hear! Hear! Great wisdom.


33 posted on 04/09/2013 3:54:50 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: SunkenCiv
Opposable thumbs make using so many tools possible.

This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for fighting , this is for fun . . .

34 posted on 04/10/2013 3:44:59 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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