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IQ tests are “meaningless and too simplistic”, claim researchers
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 13:29 EST, 19 December 2012 | Nicholas McDermott

Posted on 12/19/2012 9:22:47 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Smokin' Joe
"That assumes...."

No, it doesn't assume anything, and neither should you. The data is what it is, and the math indicates a strong correlation.

21 posted on 12/20/2012 7:39:29 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: driftless2
In the sixties many leftists tried to spread the lie of the tabula rasa or blank slate.

The "tabula rasa" theory is the basis of free enterprise and personal liberty. It implies that anyone has the potential to rise above their circumstances through effort.

IQ is considered determinative, which makes it a convenient tool for nanny-state authoritarians to maintain their power over everyone else.

22 posted on 12/20/2012 7:46:23 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Buffalo Head
There are plenty of high IQ individuals out there who will never have a high income--or do they not count? They didn't use it.

If a talent isn't applied nor developed, it doesn't mean squat. That is my point.

ALL other things being equal, your numbers will work out every time. Otherwise, you don't have a valid experiment.

But all other things are not always equal, and thus, you will find among those ranks people who applied what they had to work with and did better than those who may have had a higher IQ.

23 posted on 12/20/2012 8:31:11 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I will not even attempt to explain statistical analysis to you. Suffice it to note while the average male is statistically significantly taller than the average female, that does not appropriately imply that every male is taller than every female. Don't let the trees blind you from seeing the forest. Good bye.
24 posted on 12/20/2012 9:28:35 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

Adios!


25 posted on 12/20/2012 9:51:59 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: tsomer
Tabula rasa came from Greek philosophy. Claiming that any of that has to do with free enterprise and personal liberty, especially when people like John Money used tabula rasa to raise the notion of “gender identity” as a “social construct” rather than anything definite—IOW, he used tabula rasa to justify transexualism and his work therein (so-called gender reassignment) as well as his theories on sexuality in general (mostly homosexuality)—is way, way beyond specious.
26 posted on 12/20/2012 10:42:59 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: tsomer
No it isn't. I don't know where you picked that up. It's a leftist tool to spread the myth that since all people are born with no hardwired intelligence, every person on earth has the same apitude as every other person, and everybody has the same opportunities to excel in whatever field they want. And since nobody is hardwired to succeed in certain areas, anything anybody knows or does is the result of society putting it there. You couldn't have done it on your own, so whatever you earn is not yours. And males and females only act they way do because the patriarchy decides what the sexes know and how they act.

While everybody should have the same opportunity, people are different. Some people have high aptitudes in some areas (math,science, etc.) that others don't. The facts are incontrovertible: if you don't have the necessary high intelligence for a lot of jobs that need people with high IQs or aptitudes, you're not going to succeed. And the sexes are different as well as a number of studies have conclusively proved.

27 posted on 12/20/2012 11:44:31 AM PST by driftless2
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To: tsomer
The "tabula rasa" theory is the basis of free enterprise and personal liberty.

Nope. It's the basis of the idea that mankind is infinitely malleable, that he can be changed and molded to fit the new socialist world.

It's the human equivalent of Lysenkoism, that genetics is a lie.

Eugenics is not the study of human differences and how they are (or are not) inherited, it's the promotion of selective breeding (or forced non-breeding by sterilization).

But let's assume that the Nazis and others who supported eugenics in the 20th killed 15M people.

The most aggressive supporters of the tabula rasa theory are Communists, since they can then dodge the question of how they're going to get around innate human nature. According to them, there IS no innate human nature. Tabula rasa.

The TR boys killed upwards of 100M people in the 20th, possibly as many as 150M.

If we're going to discredit a theory because of how it is used, shouldn't it be TR that's discredited, not eugenics?

28 posted on 12/20/2012 2:18:36 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Olog-hai

I was a bad bad boy back in the 60’s and 70’s. Anyone remember those Minnesota test’s?
I never ever answered one correctly, I just randomly marked them.


29 posted on 12/20/2012 2:43:54 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Olog-hai

Okay, I think I confused “tabula rasa” with human potential for maturation and adaptation. More than anything else, the notion of the mind as a blank slate implies a neutral state, that under the proper direction can be influenced, or set into motion, and through work, acquire whatever skill and understanding required to do what they want.

I was primarily referring to the intellectual capacity, which is what IQ tests claim to measure— much less to motivation, though this is also influenced externally.

I guess I should have wiki’d the term before jumping; I didn’t realize that as you imply ‘tabula rasa’ means it is of some totally plastic or malleable substance. There is an elastic core to people and I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise.

If you know of an appropriate term for this notion, I’d appreciate hearing it. And, thanks for the correction.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 11:38:34 AM PST by tsomer
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To: Sherman Logan
Nope. It's the basis of the idea that mankind is infinitely malleable, that he can be changed and molded to fit the new socialist world.

Not in the sense that John Locke referred to it-- his definition of the individual was more general and complex.

Eugenics is not the study of human differences and how they are (or are not) inherited, it's the promotion of selective breeding

I understand this, but determinism is implicit in genetics. Eugenics is it's practical application.

The most aggressive supporters of the tabula rasa theory are Communists,

Classic Liberal thinkers also, but not carried to the absurdly simplistic-- ultimately deterministic--extent of Stalin and Mao.

31 posted on 12/21/2012 12:33:06 PM PST by tsomer
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