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The Antipsychotic Prescribed To Adam Lanza Has A Troubled History All Its Own
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Posted on 12/19/2012 8:32:06 PM PST by traumer

By now the whole country is fully embroiled in the Gun Control debate, spurred by the grisly murder of 27 people, mostly kids, at the Sandy Hook Elementary school last Friday.

Guns might not be the only problem though. New York Magazine wrote a piece about shooter Adam Lanza's supposed "aspergers" syndrome as a "red herring" meant to distract from the real problem (guns, of course, the subject goes without mentioning).

Inside the piece though they report Adam Lanza's uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine. Fanapt was the subject of a Bloomberg report when it passed regulators, after previously getting the "nonapproval" stamp. Why wasn't it approved, you might ask?

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1 posted on 12/19/2012 8:32:10 PM PST by traumer
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To: traumer

Do we know for sure he was on that drug?


2 posted on 12/19/2012 8:38:53 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto

I thought they said there was no evidence of him being on drugs, including prescription drugs.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 8:42:59 PM PST by Montanabound
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To: traumer

A few years ago I went into a massive depression. I was irrational and easily upset.

I started seriously thinking about committing suicide. Yes, I thought about my family, but I’d convinced myself that they’d be much better off without me.

I started to plan it. The only time that I had control over my depression was when I was planning my death.

This went on for about two weeks.

One night, I was looking up some info on the internet for my son and it hit me - this wasn’t me. This wasn’t WHO I’ve always been. This isn’t how I thought or had anything to do with my general attitude toward life.

About two months prior, I’d been prescribed Synthroid for an underactive thyroid. I’d noticed that it was causing me anxiety, but not much else.

That was the only thing that had changed recently, so I looked up “synthroid side effects”.

“Suicide, suicidal ideation, suicide attempts...”

Well, holy crap.

I stopped taking the medications and within 3 days the desire to kill myself went away.

For anyone who’s never seriously been suicidal, let me tell you, this is not an emotional decision. It’s scary logical, rational even. Your life is dirt. You are dirt. Your very existence on this earth is harming the ones you love. There is no point in continuing to pollute the earth with your inglorious self. It is a complete absence of hope or any sense of self-worth.

And the more you accept that you’ve got to go, the lighter the depression. You don’t get help because you really believe that you’ve got the answer.

I pushed aside the depression and need to die for the three days that it took to get the drug out of my system.

But seriously - had it not hit me how entirely out of character this really was for me, I don’t know if I’d have made it.

The stupid part of all of this? I had been mentally FINE until I was given this drug. Every woman in my family who’s ever been given Synthroid had a bad reaction. I knew this, but nobody had ever told me what it was. AFTER this crap, it all came out. The horror stories that I’ve heard from my little old aunts...

Moral of the story: If you find yourself suddenly in a very dark place, first examine your environment.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 8:59:37 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

One of the best descriptions of suicidal depression I’ve ever read. In such a state, suicide seems reasonable and just; survival seems selfish and parasitic.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 9:12:11 PM PST by tsomer
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To: Marie

I would point out that depression is very common in people who have an under-active thyroid, Marie.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 9:16:25 PM PST by FrogMom (Chicken Little is coming, and he's right!)
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To: Marie
Good post. I have a relative diagnosed bipolar, but under control. She got Shingles and the doctor prescribed her Elavil, an older antidepressant also used for pain. She is an older individual and I had taken her to one of her appointments when he wrote the prescription. I said “Excuse me, but with her bipolar I really don't think this is a good choice.” The doctor knew her medical background and said “Oh it's such a small dose it won't hurt.”

Four months later she was manic, had no sense of reality and wanted to die. She started giving away things, not making sense and becoming more and more paranoid. Thank God she wasn't a violent young person but a generally likable elderly one. Took almost a year to get her back on track.

7 posted on 12/19/2012 9:16:44 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: Marie

Great Post!

So glad you realized it on your own...so many don’t.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 9:18:10 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: traumer

Drip, Drip comes out the information about Adam Lanza, misinformation after misinformation, suddenly a controversial anti-psychotic drug Fanapt comes into the picture. Supposedly stating Asperger’s Syndrome would have a negative connotation that would make Americans scream why was not something done. Mental Illness, psychotic wait the Bun Laws have provisions to check for the diagnosis of psychiatric problems that are a threat to society.

The media has fallen on this story as more information drips out day by day, it will become apparent it was not the Gun that was at falt it was the person with a psychotic problem, sounds like Adam lanza researched a few other shootings - Columbine, Aurora, CO (notice the hard drive demolished). Yet the media stated there was massive amounts of information available with the computers, We have been here before in CO, when the powers to be were notified in advance about the potential problem. what about Ft. Hood warning signs.

There is a problem does not anybody else see a pattern Fast and Furious, Ft. Hood, Arizona, Virginia, Colorado, Connecticut. Notice everywhere a conservative area (except Connecticut but conservative town Newtown), whereby gun laws are in place. Yet the federal government seems to be involved in some shape or form. reduction of funding for schools to deal with potential violence. Lets follow the footprint - leads back to DC.

But also the media reporting everything to a certain extant, each time the issue becomes more violent and more innocents die. What will it be next, high school, - check, college - check, elementary school - check, military base - check, political gathering - check, movie theater - check and where will the next hit be. It will be someplace high profile and will be massive amounts of casualities. Where, when and whom is the next target? The media does not want to report the issue of what happened in Bath, MI. But that killing field was months in the work, before it was accomplished, ye maximize casualities not achieved.

Not trying to be morbid, but something will happen that will top the other issues that recently happened. The criminals have decided to make war on America, and the corruptocrats in DC will cater to the criminals to ensure chaos reigns supreme. Van Jones?


9 posted on 12/19/2012 9:21:40 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: traumer

I believe this “uncle” was found to be misinformation and a hoax. Saw it in passing and did not note url. Will try to find you a link.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 9:25:12 PM PST by amom
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To: Marie

I’m glad you made it! You aren’t alone either!


11 posted on 12/19/2012 9:25:43 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: traumer

If you think you might need help for an underactive thyroid, see if you can get Armour Thyroid or one of the similar natural thyroid replacements.


12 posted on 12/19/2012 9:27:14 PM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: traumer

There’s too much bad reporting comming from agenda driven msm. However sources like the New Yorker may have some value to them. For all we know this unfortunate soul may have been influenced by the Mayan thing. Hope that his autopsy is honestly reported and if the kid was on anything it comes out.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 9:27:32 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: traumer

I feel so sorry for Nancy and Adam Lanza. The perfect patsies dragged through the mud even after death by true evil and their MSM accomplices.

This is no uncle (unless drinking buddy = uncle) and there is no mention of Fanapt in this article http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505 linked to by BS Insider.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 9:28:23 PM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: Ditto

Do we know ANYTHING for sure ?


15 posted on 12/19/2012 9:32:09 PM PST by traumer
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To: FrogMom; Marie
And that's the trouble with so many meds— they work in some people and do the opposite in others.

Take Ritalin— a Stimulant that works to help some people calm down and concentrate, others not so much...

There are so many antidepressants, antipsychotics, stimulants, benzodiazepenes, etc out there that doctors and even nurse practitioners prescribe like candy and many times they have no idea what they will do. Some they will help greatly. Others they won't and doctors rely on the sick person or family member to monitor themselves or their loved one. And then there's always “give it a little more time, it will work.” What happens in that “little more time”? Most antidepressants say you need to wait a month for them to work, in the meantime...

16 posted on 12/19/2012 9:33:51 PM PST by MacMattico
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To: traumer
IF you believe you have an underactive thyroid, you can see if you can get your doctor to prescribe Armour THyroid extract or a similar drug (made from natural sources).

Other things which positively affect brain functioning are fish oil/cod liver oil, coconut oil, and other saturated fats, even butter.

There is a book, "Beyond Prozac," which discusses some of these substances and their use in fighting depression. Not panaceas, but things which may bring improvements.

The author also discusses the use of antidepressants such as Prozac.

Some years ago I was depressed enough that I considered going to an MD and getting a prescription for Prozac or similar. Fortunately a friend urged me to consider that book and taking natural supplemtns, which helped.

I'm also in a long-term relationship and have 6 cats, all of which keep me saner than otherwise.

Best wishes to everybody, and as much as possible, have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

17 posted on 12/19/2012 9:39:34 PM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: Marie

Goodness! So very glad you were able to sort it out. I am familiar with similar effects from other medications on other people. Scarey how very convincing the thoughts can be. Thank you for your post.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 9:45:07 PM PST by amom
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To: Marie

Synthroid is a simple thyroid hormone replacement pill. Low thyroid can lead to depression, and boosting thyroid levels commonly relieves that.

I’d challenge you to provide any link that suggests suicide or suicidal impulses are a side effect of Synthroid.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 9:58:58 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

http://www.drugcite.com/?q=SYNTHROID

suicidal and self-injurious behaviors (1.03% or 1 out of every 100 people taking it)

As I understand the problem; Synthroid only contains T-4. T-4 is converted into the liver into T-3. Some people may have trouble with this, leaving them with a T-3 deficiency.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 10:15:51 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: traumer
An early source of "uncle" comment was the article
Asperger’s Is a Red Herring to Explain the Newtown Massacre.

There is now this note at the end of the article "...Editor's Note: This post originally cited a report in the Daily News that quoted Adam Lanza's uncle as saying he was taking an anti-psychotic drug called Fanapt. The Daily News subsequently deleted the quote. It is now unclear whether Lanza was taking Fanapt..." http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2012/12/aspergers-is-a-red-herring-to-explain-newtown.html

It turns out that the "uncle" may be one Johnathan Lee Riches.

photo here can be seen here:
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/man-identifying-himself-as-jonathan-lanza-uncle-of-adam-news-photo/158439067

and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Lee_Riches

21 posted on 12/19/2012 10:28:07 PM PST by amom
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To: Marie

No, no, no—that is raw data for every adverse event reported by anyone to the FDA with that individual somehow suspecting a link to the drug—with dozens and dozens of such ‘reported’ events for one of the safest and most widely taken drugs around. That 1% is the percent of all reported effects, not a percent of the people taking it.

Millions and millions of Americans take Synthroid or its equivalent, and they often take it after the first presenting symptoms that caused thyroid testing included depression. Then, it takes weeks for the drug to be fully built up in your system, so it doesn’t have immediate effect.

That raw list of any supposed side effects has everything, including the kitchen sink, in it. You would never find suicide or depression listed as an actual side effect of the drug.

Taking too much of it and getting too much thyroid in your system can lead to the like of heart palpitations and so anxiety could presumably come from that, but that is an overdose level.

If people can’t convert T-4 to T-3 adequately that can lead to the drug not accomplishing its goal or having the intended effect, but it doesn’t cause suicidal thoughts or actions.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 10:30:25 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
I’d challenge you to provide any link that suggests suicide or suicidal impulses are a side effect of Synthroid.

I found numerous links by doing a simple Google search using the terms adverse side effect synthroid. Many comments are as stated here.

23 posted on 12/19/2012 10:35:13 PM PST by amom
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To: amom

Would you like to share one that is actually from a legitimate medical authority?


24 posted on 12/19/2012 10:37:25 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Would you like to share one that is actually from a legitimate medical authority?

Maybe you'd rather research it for yourself so you can satisfy your questions adequately. Feel free to ping me to your results.

25 posted on 12/19/2012 10:46:43 PM PST by amom
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To: 9YearLurker; Marie

I looked in the PDR and in the literature, but I couldn’t find anything like that. On the contrary, hypothyroidism (which Synthroid is intended to treat) includes depression among possible symptoms.


26 posted on 12/19/2012 10:48:18 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: amom

The answer is that you can’t find one—levothyroxine is one of the most widely used and tested drugs with side effects only from overdosage and not including depression or suicidal thoughts or impulses.


27 posted on 12/19/2012 10:58:18 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ottbmare

Exactly.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 10:58:48 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker; ottbmare

I took the medication and had a nervous breakdown that included suicidal thoughts and feelings. I found references online from respected medical resources that said that this could be one side effect of that medication.

I stopped taking the medication and had a resolution of all of my symptoms within 3 days. At that point, once I stopped taking the Synthroid, I was NOW hypothyroid (for two months) until I could get back to my doctor for a prescription change to Armour thyroid.

In my hypothyroid state, my depression was resolved.

I never had these problems again.

That is my personal experience. I have spoken with other women who’ve had the same experience with that medication. I’ve spoken with THREE doctors about this who’ve seen similar negative reactions to Synthroid. In the words of one of my doctors, “It works great for most people, but some people can’t handle it.” (Another of my doctors told me that she preferred to prescribe it because ‘it is easier to test the accuracy of the blood levels than Armour.’ NOT that patients did better on Synthroid over Armour.)

The closest I can come to understanding why is that Synthroid may not convert as well into T-3. I’m not saying that this is the problem, only that this is MY best guess.

You say that millions of people use Synthroid without adverse reactions? True. And millions of people use Prosaic without any problems yet we still discuss the few that do.

If you don’t like it, you can lump it. I know what I went through and how to avoid going through that again.

Armour or compounded thyroid all the way for me, baby.

And NO, I’m not saying that EVERYONE should stop taking Synthroid. Do what works for your own body. I have a friend who’s been thriving on it for years. We’re not clones and what works perfectly well for one person may not work for another.


29 posted on 12/19/2012 10:58:58 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie

You should only ever have been prescribed Synthroid for hypothyroidism, been started on a very low dose and then tested and likely had that dose increased over time. The condition for which you should have been prescribed Synthroid or Armour causes depression. It is possible that you responded better to the dosage or prescription for Armour.

However, you just now misread the link you gave me as a respected medical resource saying that, when it wasn’t and it didn’t.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 11:04:25 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Not statistically significant of course but I’ve been on synthroid for many years - never a problem like Marie’s fortunately.


31 posted on 12/19/2012 11:13:23 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: traumer
"Adam Lanza's uncle said the boy was prescribed Fanapt, a controversial anti-psychotic medicine."

I knew it would eventually come out that Adam Lanza was on some sort of psychoactive pharmaceutical. There it is.

Congress should definitely look into these mass shootings, but they'd better take note of the root cause, or nothing they do will change it.

More info on the connection between these mind altering prescription drugs and mass killings can be found here: SSRI Stories.com

32 posted on 12/19/2012 11:41:26 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: traumer

AL’s “uncle” was a scammer. Uncle Jonathan L has largely been scrubbed from news accounts. There is as far as I know no credible primary source for AL having been on psych meds.


33 posted on 12/19/2012 11:51:28 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Marie

Thank you for this eloquent and meaningful contribution. I tried to express something similar in a recent thread about birth control, when I wrote about the adverse side effects of the pill and how severely it had affected me. The point is that any medication, whether for blood pressure or a foot fungus, can have powerful adverse side effects.
I.see it as the Grace of God that you were able to use your mind to find the way out of that terrible dark place.
Bless you.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 11:54:55 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Windflier

Please see my post 21 on this thread. Not that he wasn’t on an SSRI...just that this particular story was inaccurate.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 11:56:28 PM PST by amom
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To: MacMattico

What a shocking story. So sad, and so unnecessary for her to have suffered. Thank God that you were there.


36 posted on 12/19/2012 11:58:34 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: amom; Windflier

windflier see amom’s post 21 and my previous. While I would not be surprised to find that AL was on psych meds, we do not currently have a credible primary source for this assertion.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 11:58:46 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Marie

Thank God for your recovery. There are similar reports about Prozac.


38 posted on 12/19/2012 11:59:32 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: FreedomPoster

We will. The ME has asked for specialists to come and help find any biological causes for Lanza’s behavior. He said there is absolutely nothing about Asperger’s that would fit what he did.


39 posted on 12/20/2012 12:16:22 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

I concur on that last.

We have not yet seen a toxicology report. Hopefully we will soon.

This could have been paranoid schizophrenia presenting itself on top of the ongoing Aspergers, for one reasonable conjecture.

If there was any ongoing psych consultation going on, that guy is probably hunkered down with his lawyer waiting on subpoenas before saying anything. Or dead (if the school psychologist was working with him, and that’s why he went there).

But there’s little but conjecture at this point.


40 posted on 12/20/2012 12:38:16 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: 9YearLurker

I think that Synthroid is a synthetic form of the thyroid hormone, and it may not work the same way as natural-sourced substance would.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 2:40:13 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: 9YearLurker

I think that Synthroid is a synthetic form of the thyroid hormone, and it may not work the same way as natural-sourced substance would.


42 posted on 12/20/2012 2:40:19 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: FreedomPoster

He did have a personality disorder and parts of paranoia and schizoid behavior can manifest itself in that disorder. While I am glad that there is a medical expert who said that the diagnosis of asperger’s syndrome may have been faulty and that it has nothing to do with what he did I’d rather wait for 100% confirmation before I can breathe easier that a murderer did not have what I have.


43 posted on 12/20/2012 3:00:10 AM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: traumer

Why is there no information from the father? I have yet to see anything from him.


44 posted on 12/20/2012 3:11:47 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: pbmaltzman

You’ve got the experience of what, probably more than 100 million people having taken it on an extended basis. It alleviates depression, once the hormone levels are back up into normal range again—it doesn’t cause it.


45 posted on 12/20/2012 4:01:05 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Montanabound

Yesterday I read he was on no drugs and the so-called “uncle” was a scammmer


46 posted on 12/20/2012 4:02:16 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Ditto

There is very little about this case that we “know for sure”.


47 posted on 12/20/2012 4:24:14 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Marie

Moral of the story: If you find yourself suddenly in a very dark place, first examine your environment.

Particularily, your medicine cabinet. I prefer my garden to anything man has created. God gave us everything we need, we just have to find the matches.


48 posted on 12/20/2012 4:49:16 AM PST by Josephat
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To: 9YearLurker

Look, if somebody takes Synthroid and it works for them, good for them... but I’ve read that many people do better on either Armour Thyroid or a similar substance (Biothroid, etc.) which is directly made from natural thyroid extract. I have not taken either substance. I am taking coconut oil, which supports thyroid function.


49 posted on 12/20/2012 4:53:24 AM PST by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman

That’s a whole different question and issue than Synthroid causing depression and suicidal ideations—which is simply gross misinformation.


50 posted on 12/20/2012 4:57:46 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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