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Scientists claim that homosexuality is not geneticóbut it arises in the womb
io9.com ^ | Dec 11, 2012 8:00 AM | George Dvorsky

Posted on 12/11/2012 5:42:41 PM PST by Olog-hai

A team of international researchers has completed a study that suggests we will probably never find a “gay gene.” Sexual orientation is not about genetics, say the researchers; it’s about epigenetics. This is the process where DNA expression is influenced by any number of external factors in the environment. And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself. …

Specifically, the researchers discovered sex-specific epi-marks which, unlike most genetic switches, get passed down from father to daughter or mother to son. Most epi-marks don’t normally pass between generations and are essentially “erased.” Rice and Friberg say this explains why homosexuality appears to run in families, yet has no real genetic underpinning. …

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KEYWORDS: genetics; geneticsmeananything; homogene; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; lavendermafia; pseudoscience; science
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1 posted on 12/11/2012 5:42:51 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

More likely in the coach’s private office than the womb...


2 posted on 12/11/2012 5:45:17 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: Olog-hai

That influence is the pervert down the street or at sport camp who grabs a young kid and screws up his life forever. It’s a predatory thing.


3 posted on 12/11/2012 5:45:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Olog-hai

DUH


4 posted on 12/11/2012 5:45:39 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: Sacajaweau
It’s a predatory thing.

Yes, and it runs in families because predators have greater access to family members.

5 posted on 12/11/2012 5:49:29 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Olog-hai

Sounds like they are trying to add some dogma to their new religion.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 5:52:42 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Olog-hai

.....and how long before there are claims of similar epi-marks in the DNA of pedophiles?


7 posted on 12/11/2012 5:53:54 PM PST by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: Olog-hai
Utter bs! They don't want to admit seduction and molestation as the main elements in men having sex with men...reproduction.
8 posted on 12/11/2012 5:55:07 PM PST by Stepan12
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To: DannyTN

They don’t see that?? What a joke...


9 posted on 12/11/2012 5:55:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Olog-hai

Scientists claim, studies suggest....well, that clinches it, fellas. Close the books ‘cause now we know.


10 posted on 12/11/2012 5:56:58 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Olog-hai

It’s a choice, like any other behavior.


11 posted on 12/11/2012 5:57:43 PM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: Olog-hai

Faggotry is little different from alcoholism. And I’ll pi** away a nickle on AIDS research just as soon as I flush one for researching why an alcoholic’s liver does poorly.


12 posted on 12/11/2012 5:58:18 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: massmike

As Ann Coulter said “then guess who gets a aborted”


13 posted on 12/11/2012 5:58:41 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Olog-hai; All
Please feel free to add to the above list of junk sciences.
14 posted on 12/11/2012 5:59:24 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Olog-hai

Er, you guys are not quite getting this.

1. The theory is interesting, and more importantly, as stated, its easily testable. That means that this can clearly be discarded if it doesn’t test out, unlike other vague explanations that hang on because they are untestable. This thing either is true, shortly to be determined, or its gone and everyone can go back to their favorite theories.

2. If it does test out, then potentially not only can this be tested for, it can also potentially be prevented or even cured. Gene therapy perhaps.

3. At least a simple early pregnancy genetic test probably can be produced. That would make an interesting sort of leverage on abortion policy, for one thing.


15 posted on 12/11/2012 6:07:58 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Olog-hai

“Scientists” should stick to science instead of making things up


16 posted on 12/11/2012 6:09:23 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

My BS meter keeps pegging out.


17 posted on 12/11/2012 6:15:21 PM PST by Venturer
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To: buwaya

If it does test out, then potentially not only can this be tested for, it can also potentially be prevented or even cured. Gene therapy perhaps
...........................................................
Wouldn’t it be Homophobic to cure it.

What would the queers say if you said there wouldn’t be any more of them?

This needs rethinking I am sure homosexuals would be against this.


18 posted on 12/11/2012 6:17:50 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Olog-hai

Really? Try soy baby food products.


19 posted on 12/11/2012 6:19:32 PM PST by Banjoguy (The Mayor of San Antonio is the smoothest liar I have ever seen.)
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To: Venturer

If there is a test or a cure I predict it will be in wide use very quickly outside the US. Most of the world is NOT PC.

The populations of China and India find this sort of thing quite useful. To begin with they will start aborting all the gay babies.

Then the test/cure will be available in the US. Then the fireworks begin. What to choose ? Choice ? Abortion ? Gays ?


20 posted on 12/11/2012 6:24:35 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

This theory explains the children that come out different. It might not be the only answer to sexual orientation nd imprinting (molestation) may also play a role, but no doubt something is hard wired as well. There are many children who play differently than their gender. They were not molested. They are good people, beloved children of Gd, but they act like the opposite gender, not their own. This does demand study. Epigenetics helps to explain these discrepancies because there is no gay “gene,” just gay behavior and sometimes looks as well.

I believe they are onto something. Knuckle dragging freepers love to think that molestation creates all homosexuality, but they would be very wrong. Ask the good decent men who are very straight but their lives have been greatly damaged by mole station by a man in their childhoods. It definitely doesn’t turn all boys gay.

I hope it will be testable too either way, and if its true that people will not abort babies who have it just as I wish they didnt abort babies with down.


21 posted on 12/11/2012 6:27:06 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Olog-hai

Looking on the bright side, this may be the first step towards a cure.


22 posted on 12/11/2012 6:32:08 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: massmike

Not too far down the road, what with weirdos like Dan Savage saying that it is time to “acknowledge the existence of good pedophiles” (actual quote).


23 posted on 12/11/2012 6:48:09 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: null and void

Several years ago a homosexual-oriented group tried to push the idea that homosexuality was a genetic trait because they found that very frequently a homosexual had an uncle on the mother’s side (the mother’s brother) who was also a homosexual. They missed the obvious, that the mother stupidly trusted her brother who was secretly molesting her sons.


24 posted on 12/11/2012 7:04:06 PM PST by RightWingConspirator (Obamanation--the most corrupt regime since Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe)
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To: buwaya

It is THE sort of think Hillary C is FOR. Genetic testing to “decide” where a child can be placed in society. In this case— gays can be “aborted” with ease if known in advance.

So, depending on your “preference” as a parent, and in line with the Planned Parenthood nazism, this would be ultimate eugenics. For the purity of the child and all.

The gays don’t want this. Anymore than the study long ago about male babies born during the London Blitz— percentage homo quite high vs. control population which was not in the blitz. Mothers had high adrenalin from fear all the time— and the male babies were “feminized” (in all basic embryology texts, or at least it was at one point) by the high adrenalin blood levels in the mother.


25 posted on 12/11/2012 7:14:34 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: meyer

“It’s a choice, like any other behavior.”

Acting on the inclination is indeed a choice.

But I think being so inclined is a mental disorder, not a choice.

We should treat that inclination as such and not try to pass it off as “another normal” like the agenda promoters are trying to do.


26 posted on 12/11/2012 7:18:20 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Yaelle
I believe they are onto something. Knuckle dragging freepers love to think that molestation creates all homosexuality, but they would be very wrong. Ask the good decent men who are very straight but their lives have been greatly damaged by mole station by a man in their childhoods. It definitely doesn’t turn all boys gay.

Nobody has ever said that being molested turns all boys gay just just as being beaten as a child does not mean that you will grow up to beat your kids.

It does however result in a statistically significant higher chance of those things happening and for similar reasons.

The victim does not want to be a victim, they want to be strong. The abuser is strong. The way to be strong is to be an abuser and have your own victims.

And the cycle continues.

27 posted on 12/11/2012 7:27:06 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: Venturer

Epigenetics is a relatively new science ~ but this is not about a ‘gaijin’ or ‘gay gene’ either!


28 posted on 12/11/2012 7:27:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: MarineBrat

Everybody has the genes to metabolize alcohol except some people don’t. There’s your answer. The metabolic pathways have been long known.


29 posted on 12/11/2012 7:32:56 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: buwaya

“At least a simple early pregnancy genetic test probably can be produced. That would make an interesting sort of leverage on abortion policy, for one thing.”

At least one circumstance for abortion will be made illegal.


30 posted on 12/11/2012 7:36:39 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Olog-hai

I believe that homosexuality is congenital. There are also many birth defects that are also congenital as well. Why would it be genetic when it ends the genetic line? What possible purpose would that serve the gene pool as it won’t continue the line and therefore not add any more variance?


31 posted on 12/11/2012 8:00:31 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Crucial

How do you explain bisexuality?


32 posted on 12/11/2012 8:11:50 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I cannot remember the scientist, but it was someone talking about how horrible AIDS was for medical research. It was politically popular and pulled in money that could save far more lives by studying malaria, tuberculosis and diseases that kill more per year than AIDS had at that time.


33 posted on 12/11/2012 8:14:58 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Olog-hai

I’ve always thought of heterosexuality and homosexuality as on a kind of spectrum with bi-sexuality in the middle but maybe that’s too simplistic. What’s your take on it?


34 posted on 12/11/2012 8:17:38 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Olog-hai

Someone brought up a really good point earlier. If this is a genetic defect they found via testing, now they can start testing for it. And many parents would choose to abort. How could liberals then disagree, if parents can abort for any other genetic defect and even for their convenience?
Yet you’d see the left and especially LBGT become pro-life in a hurry.


35 posted on 12/11/2012 8:18:14 PM PST by tbw2
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To: tbw2

This news arrives on the same day a report came in about a young girl whose cancer was cured with a modified HIV virus ~ see: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2246312/Girl-7-beats-leukaemia-revolutionary-treatment-using-HIV-virus-wire-immune-system.html . There are a number of other ways to rewrite your cell nucleus ~ glipizide and glucophage do it ~ then there’s this thing about using polymer nano particles to carry all sorts of stuff into the cell nucleus ~ so it’s pretty clear people might even make an attempt to CURE homosexuality ~ probably within weeks!


36 posted on 12/11/2012 8:40:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: buwaya
If there is a test or a cure I predict it will be in wide use very quickly outside the US. Most of the world is NOT PC.

PC = Pro Cweer?

37 posted on 12/11/2012 9:06:07 PM PST by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: Sacajaweau
That influence is the pervert down the street or at sport camp who grabs a young kid and screws up his life forever. It’s a predatory thing.

Or simply as the bible states in Romans Chapter 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
38 posted on 12/11/2012 9:29:46 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: muawiyah

>>Everybody has the genes to metabolize alcohol except some people don’t.

Not sure I see what you’re getting at. To metabolize is to process through the body. To extract energy and new materials, and to remove undesired materials. Everyone’s body metabolizes alcohol. I’m an alcoholic, and I make a conscious choice every day to be sober, because it’s the right thing to do.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 7:49:56 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: MarineBrat
There are some people, e.g. many American Indians, who have a very reduced capability to metabolize alcohol. Then there are several Sa'ami tribes in Scandinavia who have many members with NO capability to metabolize alcohol.

That creates a serious social problem ~

I suppose there are other causes of alcoholism ~ perhaps various sorts of liver damage.

The only part of it under the control of the victim is to make sure alcohol consumption is within the ability of the body to metabolize it in a relatively short time.

40 posted on 12/12/2012 8:22:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>>The only part of it under the control of the victim is to...

I cringe at the use of that word (victim) in this context. As if someone did something to someone, and someone else owes sympathy and restitution. The victim isn’t the alcoholic... it’s their family members and others who suffer from the effects of the alcoholics poor decisions. The alcoholic is the victimizer of their own family and friends. Once he can look at it in that context he is free to own and fix the problem.


41 posted on 12/12/2012 9:11:33 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: MarineBrat
All of which is probably true. But it's irrelevant to the question of what causes alcoholism ~ and I identified three causes or you, two of them genetic.

Then, there are folks with liver damage from non-alcohol related causes and they could become alcoholics as well because of the damage.

Best bet is that if you have a Sa'ami ancestor you know about, or a Sioux/Lakota Indian ancestor, who was an alcoholic, you should not consume alcohol under any circumstances ~ EVER!

42 posted on 12/12/2012 9:22:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

>>I identified three causes or you, two of them genetic.

I’m not convinced that there’s any genetic component to alcoholism.


43 posted on 12/12/2012 9:45:53 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Oh, you are very right. Many abusers were abused, and the cycle keeps going. Imprinting is a fact. Especially about the power and the violence. But orientation doesn’t always imprint. Many SNAP (victims of sex abuse bu any kind of authority as a child - clergy, teachers, etc) members are hetero male adults that are still hetero and their homo rapes as kids have devastated their lives.


44 posted on 12/12/2012 1:58:41 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Crucial

Yes, I think so too. It is the equivalent of many conditions at birth and the children affected deserve as much love, no matter what is different about the way they were born.


45 posted on 12/12/2012 2:00:38 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: MarineBrat
You can look up the genetics of alcoholism and there's the process all laid out for you right down to the detailed chemistry.

I think you are confounding genetic alcoholism with alcohol abuse. Two different things ~ many people ~ the majority actually, who are unable to metabolize alcohol do not use it and so do not develop any of the pathologies associated with the condition ~ that is, they do not develop alcohol abuse problems.

46 posted on 12/12/2012 5:52:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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PGR88:

Sounds like they are trying to add some dogma to their new religion.

Yes indeed. They will squirm and twitch and writhe just to avoid the truth - homosexuals are made, not born; and the main method is by being molested when young by an older homosexual.

47 posted on 12/12/2012 10:13:35 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

>> lj: and the main method is by being molested when young by an older homosexual.

>> article: And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself. …

Ergo, don’t have sex with your pregnant wife... /g


48 posted on 12/12/2012 10:26:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: little jeremiah

this is frigging stupid, homosexuals have some severe mental issues, they get turned on by the same sex and then carry out their sex which is unhealthy as medical facts will back up like where is the colon, where is the prostate, are they supposed to be hit with a penis, yuck I;ll stop there.

They re not born like that and for these fools , probably the same fools which said we would have 10 katrina’s every year after katrina and the earth will warm so much we’ll die in a few months.


49 posted on 12/13/2012 7:13:04 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: muawiyah

You should let them know down at Alcoholics Anonymous then, because they call themselves alcoholics instead of alcohol abusers.


50 posted on 12/13/2012 10:23:17 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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