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Rogue Dentistís 30-Year Crusade Against Wisdom Teeth Removal Extracts Results
Yahoo News ^ | Mon, Dec 3, 2012 | Liz Goodwin

Posted on 12/04/2012 9:41:47 PM PST by nickcarraway

Dr. Jay Friedman relishes his role as dental outcast. Like a pesky younger brother who enjoys watching his siblings squirm, the 86-year-old dentist and public health advocate has for decades been poking and prodding at the oral health community over his personal obsession: wisdom teeth.

Friedman has argued for more than 30 years that removing a young person's healthy wisdom teeth -- called "third molars" by professionals -- is an unnecessary and irresponsible practice. While many dentists and oral surgeons have dismissed him as a traitor and a zealot, in 2007, people in the public health arena began to listen.

That's when Friedman published an article in the American Journal of Public Health claiming at least two-thirds of the millions of wisdom teeth extracted each year at a cost of billions of dollars were removed for no good reason. In pointed terms, Friedman accused his colleagues of ignoring the lack of evidence supporting the need for such surgery in order to line their own pockets.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: dentistry; health; medicine

1 posted on 12/04/2012 9:41:59 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Larry Lucido; Gamecock

You know what the difference between a sadist and a dentist is, don’t you?

Newer magazines.

Sounds like Yahoo! News is anti-dentite!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythrdCsOFJU


2 posted on 12/04/2012 9:49:48 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: nickcarraway

58 years and I have all of mine. Better than all my other molars and my dentist constantly wants to remove one. No, I say it still works.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 9:52:32 PM PST by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, I had two coming in horizontal, and two coming in at 45 degree angles. Had no room in my jaw for a third set, they’d have been pushing my other teeth forward and that would have been a mess.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 9:53:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: nickcarraway

Guy is a crackpot.

Had my Wisdom Teeth not been cut out I would have the smile of a typical Englishman.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 10:02:31 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: F15Eagle

I knew it!!!!!

I didn’t need to klick it bit did.

Several friends use that joke in various forms.

Anti denteye?


6 posted on 12/04/2012 10:04:52 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: nickcarraway

I figured if my wisdom teeth behaved themselves, they could stay. Decades have passed and so far, so good.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 10:07:40 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Vendome

And the ‘Seinfeld’ I’m watching now has Tim Whatley — or Watley. Whatever it is.

It’s the “Jimmy” episode.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 10:09:59 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: F15Eagle

Does Jimmy like posting?


9 posted on 12/04/2012 10:13:32 PM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: nickcarraway

My last day in the Navy I was checking out at various departments and when I got to the dentist I told him I had one more wisdom tooth that needed to be pulled. And believe me, it needed to be pulled. I wanted him to pull it so I wouldn’t have to pay a civilian dentist down the road. Well, the novacain didn’t work. For some reason it simply had no effect on me. I told him to pull it anyway. He had to break in two to get it out. And believe me, before he was halfway through I regretted my decision but it was too late to stop. Not something I’d do again.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 10:14:49 PM PST by Terry Mross (I haven't watched the news since the election. Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: bramps

I think Jimmy likes Elaine


11 posted on 12/04/2012 10:16:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: nickcarraway

I had mine out and suddenly became a liberal.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 10:22:29 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: Secret Agent Man
I had the same problem and when I mentioned that my 45 degree wisdom teeth scraped my cheeks inside of my mouth, my military dentist at that moment, promptly removed them with no warning.

He said, "Let me take a look, crack ... snap."

What did you do?! "I pulled it; let me get the other one, crack - pop." I went back to duty with no rigmarole.

I kept the two uppers and the only thing I have noted through the many years is that they hang halfway over the lower molars. No dentist has ever wanted to pull them.

13 posted on 12/04/2012 10:22:34 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: F15Eagle

I had no appreciation for Jewish humor until I lived on the East Coast for 4 years and it seemed 1/2 my friends were Jewish.

Before that I never got Seinfeld. Now I watch reruns and theyze always heelarryus.

Soup Nazi, two face, Elaine’s dancing( which I mimic when my lame and danced distressed friends attempt to dance) are just too damn funny.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 10:25:54 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: F15Eagle

Right now I’m watching the Ken Burns documentary of WWII.

I don’t u understand how the world could have done that....

Our response was necessary ....


15 posted on 12/04/2012 10:28:02 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: F15Eagle

Watching how American of Japanese descent were rounded up and interred.

Disgusting...


16 posted on 12/04/2012 10:29:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: nickcarraway

Is there a connection between the collective loss of wisdom teeth and our collective loss of wisdom ?


17 posted on 12/04/2012 10:59:06 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: nickcarraway
My mother still has hers. When the neurologist who claimed to have read her cat scans 'missed' them, it tipped her off that he hadn't looked at the scans. She fired him and got a more competent doctor.

Mine came in angled to destroy my cheeks, and are a memory.

18 posted on 12/04/2012 11:14:24 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: nickcarraway

I had an extra set of wisdom teeth that never came thru my gums. They used to get infected about every 6 months and I finally had a enough of it in my 20’s and had them removed. Haven’t had any infections since them.


19 posted on 12/04/2012 11:17:31 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: nickcarraway
[Insert my anecdotal story associated with wisdom teeth here]...
and so therefore the doctor is:

A) a maverick genius
or
B) a dangerous whackjob

20 posted on 12/04/2012 11:24:03 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I can understand preventative removal. Especially when done on older teens whose parents have already spent a bundle on orthodontia. Or the parents had problematic wisdom teeth and simply expect that their offspring will have similar trouble.

My husband and oldest child had problematic wisdom teeth that were removed. The younger three appear to have gotten my superior genes in regards to dentition.

Smartest thing a kid can do is choose their parents wisely ;)


21 posted on 12/05/2012 12:10:53 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: justrepublican
58 years and I have all of mine.

64 here, and I also have all my wisdom teeth, but they came in straight. My 20 year old son, however, had his removed because they were coming in crooked.

22 posted on 12/05/2012 12:39:19 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Vendome

“Watching how American of Japanese descent were rounded up and interred.

Disgusting...”

Agreed, Vendome, if they were citizens it was beyond inexcuseable. (If they were not citizens, they should have been decently repatriated if needed).

Sometimes when I think we are living in the worst of America I think of this, or of slavery, or etc., and I think no, this is not necessarily the worst we’ve been as a nation. The abortion epidemic puts in on par, I guess, although it is hard to put a weight on evil.

Still, our past was not all Norman Rockwell, not by a long shot.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 1:21:45 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

“[Insert my anecdotal story associated with wisdom teeth here]...
and so therefore the doctor is:

A) a maverick genius
or
B) a dangerous whackjob “

I read about this guy, and he doesn’t say no wisdom teeth should be removed. Just teeth that are a problem or threatening to be a problem. Makes perfect sense to me.

Some are commenting like he doesn’t want any wisdom teeth removed. That isn’t the case.


24 posted on 12/05/2012 1:23:30 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: justrepublican

Kept mine....against ten different dentists and their desires. I was in the Air Force, and they kept talking about this twice a year for at least the first fifteen years of service I did. The key to this....is that you absolutely have to get to the teeth and clean them.


25 posted on 12/05/2012 1:29:32 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: nickcarraway

This guy is a quack. Biologically speaking, wisdom teeth are there to replace loss teeth over time. Now with fluoridation and people losing less teeth, they become a serious problem for many when they start exerting pressure on the jaw because they have no where to “erupt.” I hurt for years before I finally had mine removed as a medical necessity. So yeah, they need to be removed early to prevent problems later.


26 posted on 12/05/2012 3:27:49 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler; nickcarraway
Well, we finally found a doctor who agrees with Obama’s contention that all doctors charge for unnecessary tests and treatments, in order to “get rich”.
27 posted on 12/05/2012 3:36:59 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I had a similar problem when I was about 25 years old, my wisdom teeth were horizontal, still deep in my lower jaw and causing problems. The dentist made the incisions and chiseled into the bone. He couldn’t grip the teeth with what he had in the office, left and came back with needle nose vice grips and they worked. Fortunately he had great pain killers.


28 posted on 12/05/2012 3:44:44 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: nickcarraway
Although you wouldn't know it to look at my teeth, as a youngster I never went to the dentist. Over the years I developed cavities which went unfilled. Two of my worst ones were in my very back molars. As a young 20 something, I finally went to the dentist. He pulled out the two bad molars and two beautiful new wisdom teeth filled in the spaces in no time. Eventually I did have the other two wisdom teeth pulled when I began to get earaches.

I suspect for many millenia wisdom teeth served the purpose they served me - to replace rotten teeth.

29 posted on 12/05/2012 3:55:17 AM PST by old and tired
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To: justrepublican

I don’t feel any discomfort, and my dentist cannot detect any harm, but he gives me these quizzical looks and keeps asking me when do I want my wisdom teeth removed. And I still say no.


30 posted on 12/05/2012 4:47:59 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Secret Agent Man

All of mine were coming in sideways - had them all pulled when in my 20’s. One side at a time.

My DH had one infected while he was in the Airforce, wouldn’t let him leave Vietnam until extracted. In his early 50’s, had one pulled and has permanent nerve damage (apparently the older you are when they are pulled the higher risk of nerve damage- surgeon told him point blank before the extraction he could have damage) He’s got one left and so far it’s OK. He should have had them all yanked out in his 20’s. (hindsight)


31 posted on 12/05/2012 5:17:08 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: nickcarraway

“claiming at least two-thirds of the millions of wisdom teeth extracted each year at a cost of billions of dollars were removed for no good reason”

There’s a BMW payment that needs to be made.


32 posted on 12/05/2012 5:19:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nickcarraway

Mine came in straight and I still have them all at 52. However, I can see in part where this guy is coming from. Every dentist I have ever seen wants to extract mine. IMO, all they see is a $1,000 when they see a patient with wisdom teeth.

My wife is lucky to get me to the dentist at all. Any preventative or elective activities are out of the question. If it doesn’t hurt, keep your mitts, pliers and grinders off!


33 posted on 12/05/2012 5:24:30 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: F15Eagle; Larry Lucido

No shock here, I own the complete series.

And yet, every evening at 7 I have the TV tuned to TBS for Seinfeld reruns.


34 posted on 12/05/2012 5:59:41 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: justrepublican

Bingo. It was a dental fad. Molars are provided for a biological reason. Until such time as they no longer appear, eff the dentists. Maybe that’s why their supposed suicide rate is so high—lack of molars to pull.


35 posted on 12/05/2012 7:50:11 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Vendome
Watching how American of Japanese descent were rounded up and interred.

It happend to non-citizen Italians, non-citizen Germans, and German-American citizens (I hate to use a hyphenated status) in America as well.

36 posted on 12/05/2012 8:49:07 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

BTW, My shoulder is feeling wayyyyyyyyy better all of a sudden.

Not good but not killing me all day long and that’s better enough fer me.

You?


37 posted on 12/05/2012 9:24:37 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Persevero

YOu had to bring up Norman Rockwell.

Now I’m hungry for Turkey and potatoes....


38 posted on 12/05/2012 9:26:32 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
Glad to hear about your shoulder.

They've put my neck and shoulder on hold (just as they've always put something on hold for the last eleven+ months).

I'm receiving therapy for the elbow to see if they can fix the ulnar neuropathy without surgery. For the hand, I have a continuous passive motion machine (well, it's a space-age glove with individual CPMs for each finger joint), therapy, and lots of at-home exercises.

How's the reach behind the back?

39 posted on 12/05/2012 9:47:40 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

Don’t like to complain but just finished PT and I so underperformed.

Not happy and need reprogram my head.

I guess it’s okay to have a not so great day but this was my 1st.

Uhgggg !!!!!


40 posted on 12/05/2012 11:30:10 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: higgmeister

My 25 year old son, who is in the Air Force Reserves, just got all four taken out at once by the military dentist. He had a bit of infection but otherwise was fine. I think you can say the same thing about tonsils. I had mine out last year at the age of 51. Dreadful recovery (3 weeks out of work)and I still don’t have my full sense of taste back, yet not getting colds and the flu, sinusitis, etc like I used to.


41 posted on 01/17/2013 7:44:59 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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