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The Windows 8 Sales Data Is In, And It's Horrible News For Microsoft
Business Insider ^ | 11/30/2012 | Nicholas Carlson

Posted on 11/30/2012 8:52:10 AM PST by SeekAndFind

NPD research published some horrible news for Microsoft yesterday.

* Despite releasing an entirely new operating system on October 22 of this year, Windows PC sales shrank 21% between 10/21 and 11/17 versus the same period last year.

* Windows 8 tablet sales during that period were "almost nonexsistent" – just 1% of all Windows 8 sales.

“It hasn’t made the market any worse, but it hasn’t stimulated things either,” Stephen Baker, an analyst at NPD, told the New York Times. “It hasn’t provided the impetus to sales everybody hoped for.”

No kidding.

Yesterday, we reported other bad news:

Asus CFO David Chang's comment that "demand for Windows 8 is not that good right now."

Microsoft cut its order of Surface tablets for the year to two million units, down from four million.

This is a very scary time for Microsoft.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: microsoft; msn; windows8
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1 posted on 11/30/2012 8:52:16 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like New Coke.


2 posted on 11/30/2012 8:53:17 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

Could it be that the Microsoft Business is starting to fall apart?

Consider:

1. The iPad eats the consumer PC market.

Apple sold 14 million iPads last quarter, which is more than the top PC maker, Lenovo which shipped 13.7 million PCs. Throw in Apple’s 4.9 million Macs, and it’s the top computer maker by a mile.

As the personal computer market goes ...

2. Employees gradually switch away from using Windows PCs for work.

This trend has not played out that dramatically in 2012. However, British bank Barclays bought 8,500 iPads at employees insistence this year.

And, a recent survey showed that the iPhone has overtaken RIM as the smartphone of choice for enterprises

3. Windows 8 fails to stop the iPad.

It’s still early, but every single data point says Windows 8 is not going to make a dent in the iPad.

4. Loyal developers start to leave the Microsoft platform.

Not sure if this happening or not. So far, the early signs are actually positive for Microsoft. It has over 20,000 apps in its Windows app store. Windows 8 is only a month old. At the same time, Microsoft doesn’t have a Facebook app for the Surface, and one of the biggest complaints from reviewers was the lack of good apps for Windows 8.

The .NET development platform seems to have a huge loyal following individually and at the corporate level.

5. Windows Phone gets no traction despite the Nokia deal and RIM’s collapse.

This has happened. Despite everything Microsoft has tried in mobile for the last two years, consumers aren’t buying it.

6. Could Microsoft Office lose its relevance?

7. Microsoft’s other business applications start to erode.

If Windows continues to fade, and if Office starts to fade, then corporations have less reason to adopt Microsoft technologies on the back end like Exchange Server for email, SharePoint Server for collaboration, Lync for videoconferencing and real-time communication, and Dynamics for CRM and accounting.

8. Could the platform business collapses?

For the last decade, Microsoft’s fastest growing business segment has been Server & Tools, which did $7.4 billion in sales last year.

A lot of these sales come because Microsoft business apps — Exchange, SharePoint, and Dynamics — require these products. But as companies stop buying these apps, they will have less reason to buy the Microsoft platform products that run them, and the System Center ($1 billion+) products used to manage them.


3 posted on 11/30/2012 8:58:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I bought my daughter a new laptop last month. We made sure we got one with Windows 7. The Win7 machines were on sale because Win8 was coming out.


4 posted on 11/30/2012 8:59:04 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows 8 sucks.

PERIOD.


5 posted on 11/30/2012 8:59:27 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s funny but it’s not funny. Microsoft going the way of RIM will cause a lot of grief and economic loss.

These loons need to get a grip. It may already be too late.


6 posted on 11/30/2012 9:00:03 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

Ballmer needs to go.
They also need to stop with the mind numbed mantra of “The PC is dead!”


7 posted on 11/30/2012 9:01:44 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our Corporate software will not run on a 64bit platform. We are using older SAP, SAS and Siebel.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 9:01:56 AM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Microsoft created a customer base that expects failure and frustration with new Microsoft products. Even what’s left of the Microsoft loyal will wait a year or two for Microsoft to get the bugs worked out. It’s they way of the company (or at least is understood).

I’m surprised Microsoft has been so successful considering their track record.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 9:02:11 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Windows 8 Sales Data Is In, And It's Horrible News
IIRC, Windoze 8 was being sold at a steep discount too - $39?
10 posted on 11/30/2012 9:03:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has there ever been a Windows OS release that wasn’t going to be “the death of Microsoft”?


11 posted on 11/30/2012 9:03:46 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I spent the $40 to load it onto my old Vista desktop.
It’s like a new computer. Very fast. Boot up only takes about 30 seconds. Used to be almost 10 minutes with Vista.
The start button is gone, replaced by a start screen (metro interface). Get to have apps like on phones and tablets.

People will get used to it. It will do fine. It is cheap. It is better.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 9:05:39 AM PST by toast
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To: tacticalogic

they came to late to the party..

too bad.. .Windows 7 really rocks.. I like in on my home desk top


13 posted on 11/30/2012 9:05:47 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: tacticalogic

RE: Has there ever been a Windows OS release that wasn’t going to be “the death of Microsoft”?

My personal policy — Always buy the ODD numbered version of Windows, not the even numbered version :)


14 posted on 11/30/2012 9:08:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Chuzzlewit

Ashton-Tate, Lotus, WordPerfect and Novell said that too, IIRC.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 9:08:01 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Chuzzlewit

RE: Windows 7 really rocks.. I like in on my home desk top

My personal policy — Always buy the ODD numbered version of Windows, not the even numbered version :)


16 posted on 11/30/2012 9:08:52 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: tacticalogic

As a Mac user from way back who clearly recalls the “Apple Deathwatch” so gleefully maintained by Microsoft zealots for over a decade, there should be a measure of freudenschade (FR spelling mocking DU, yes it’s intentional).

But, there’s not. They’re in a bad way. Irrelevancy is looming large.


17 posted on 11/30/2012 9:09:46 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

As a standard that the industry could consolidate around Windows has always been an unqualified success (up until now).

As a pure OS - looking at Windows just as a pure engineering achievment
it’s always been mediocre to poor. Whether you want to look at performance,
efficiency, security, reliability, advanced capabilities or other metrics,
it’s never been all that good.

Windows 8 is probably the same turd just polished up a bit with tiles.

Ultimately, the market I think has voted on the quality of the OS as an OS, and probably doesn’t care *that* much about tiles, no tiles, or whatever.

Windows is OK but it ain’t great - and I suspect the market is merely
reflecting that fact.


18 posted on 11/30/2012 9:09:51 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Nobody buys an OS for the OS. They buy the OS for the apps.


19 posted on 11/30/2012 9:13:54 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: toast

I’m willing to give it a try. Actually, I’ll probably see it at work before I see it at home.

The fact is that the PC IS dying, but it will be a very slow & gradual death. Kind of like saying a healthy looking 60 year old is dying. People are doing more and more on tablets as they become increasingly capable. That trend will only accelerate. Windows 8 is MSFT trying to catch that wave.


20 posted on 11/30/2012 9:14:00 AM PST by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

You just can’t make this stuff up lol...

another Apple killer um doesn’t


21 posted on 11/30/2012 9:17:14 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind
Kinda like only watching only the even numbered star trek movies?

;^)

CC

22 posted on 11/30/2012 9:17:14 AM PST by Celtic Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows 8 RT is a STUPID CONCEPT.

I have ZERO interest in anything RT, If I wanted a lame os tablet android and apple have similar toys on the market.

They started with thier WEAKEST foot first.

The full blown windows 8 tablet at a 400 price point for the BEST model would be a market changer. by $400 I mean $400 with the keyboard and the biggest drive.

whoever is in charge of marketing should be fired and baumer should be canned for approving it.

RT should be ignobaly retired.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 9:18:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

They said the same thing early in 7 and Vista.

The fact is the general population is not early adopters. Especially not at the OS level which usually is best to put on a new computer. Add to that the speed at which the new OSes have come out and the lengthening time people are keeping their PCs. People that bought brand new machines for Vista are probably just now in the contemplating upgrade phase. I bought a new machine right after Vista came out, but I put XP64 on it, eventually I added a HDD and upgraded it to 7, I’m at least 2 years away from getting rid of it, I’ll get 8 then... unless they’ve popped out another OS by then.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 9:24:07 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I want to replace my old WIN desktop which I run off a router from my new WIN laptop and I want to buy a new I MAC desktop computer after the holidays. As a probable newbie to a MAC purchase and set-up I have a question.

Question: Will my current router running off of my Windows machine work with a MAC? Or do I have to get another router?


25 posted on 11/30/2012 9:24:45 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: eyedigress
Our Corporate software will not run on a 64bit platform. We are using older SAP, SAS and Siebel.

____

DING DING, WINNER! We are having major problems with out side customers that are using Windows 8 against our corporate software. No one has the programming resources to keep up with the of “one upmanship” of client programs that are buggier that $hit!

26 posted on 11/30/2012 9:24:45 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote
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To: SeekAndFind

Balmer destroyed MS a long time ago.. It’s entire business model has been ourdated since before that.

MS has been nothing more than a me too company for nearly 2 decades now.

Is it going to go away? No, but it hasn’t been a tech mover in nearly 2 decades and likely wont be again anytime in the future.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 9:27:07 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: KeyLargo

You’re going to need to be a little more specific.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 9:30:01 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind
Most of these Windows updates are a solution in search of a problem. I've discovered that their main purpose is to suck memory and otherwise perform functions which will render your existing software and hardware obsolete and force you to replace it.

Windows 95 was the last Microsoft operating system which I felt actually improved OS function to the point where there was enough of a "Wow!" factor which actually made you want to upgrade.

Since then, upgrades are just things that you are stuck with doing because your CPU died.

29 posted on 11/30/2012 9:30:23 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: unixfox

Since I have installed Windows 8, I have not had a system crash (did all the time with WIN7)

Easy to use and much faster than Win7.


30 posted on 11/30/2012 9:30:49 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: toast

I went from Windows XP to Windows 8 owing to the new laptop I bought, a Sony Vaio. It’s not too bad, though it took me a couple of days to get to used to it. So far, I’ve only got the BSOD once! And of course, the BSOD is your assurance as a consumer that you have, indeed, purchased genuine Microsoft software. :)


31 posted on 11/30/2012 9:31:05 AM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This isn’t windows 8 sales data first of all. This Is sales of PCs that includes the time before Windows 8 was even for sale.

Such a pathetic attempt at FUD BY the i-Linux crowd.


32 posted on 11/30/2012 9:31:18 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: toast
the start button is gone, replaced by a start screen ... Boot up only takes about 30 seconds. Used to be almost 10 minutes with Vista.
I suggest Classic Shell if you want the Start button back, and other features too.
My Vista PC would take 3-4 minutes to boot.
Much to my surprise, when I changed AV software from Computer Associates to McAfee, the boot time dropped to less than a minute.
33 posted on 11/30/2012 9:33:29 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: HamiltonJay
I suspect you might agree with my post #29. I don't think your mention of “nearly two decades” and my mention of “Windows 95” are merely coincidental, are they?
34 posted on 11/30/2012 9:33:44 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: VanDeKoik

The FUD-meisters getting FUDded, lol?

Freudenschade all over again.


35 posted on 11/30/2012 9:35:15 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows XP was fine. Windows 7 was fine.

Maybe make some upgrades, but no need to go entirely new.


36 posted on 11/30/2012 9:37:42 AM PST by lurk
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To: rbg81
IMO, portability and device synchronization are the biggest non-business selling points now. Many people fall into one of two categories. They either don't know or don't want to learn or they don't have time to learn something new (that's me). Right now Apple handles those two dynamics better than any other organization.

Freepers, I think, are for the most part smarter and more adaptable than the general public. They can manage portability and synchronization on their own and don't like being constrained by Apple products. They don't represent the majority of the general population though.

You may be correct that the PC is dying. Won't be in my lifetime though (I'm 55). Before that happens the baseline computing knowledge of the general population will have to increase substantially.

JMO. Thanks for yours.

37 posted on 11/30/2012 9:37:46 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Microsoft is the new COBOL, it won’t be going away anytime soon, but it’s mostly going to be for legacy systems.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 9:43:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

This is silly. Win8 sales are upwards of 40 million (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/windows-8-sales-40-million_n_2204935.html).

Of course box sales (online like Newegg or brick&mortar like Best Buy are low; why pay $80 for a cardboard box when you can pay $40 for the same software until 12/31?

Win8 may not be as cool as Win7 after (ugh) Vista, but it’s no dog.


39 posted on 11/30/2012 9:43:51 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: tacticalogic
Nobody buys an OS for the OS. They buy the OS for the apps.

Yep - I own what own in order to Do Stuff, not admire the OS. At home, I'm all Win 7, 32 and 64 bit. Got a utility laptop dual booting Win 7 and Ubuntu. Considering a Samsung Galaxy Note II for my next personal phone.

40 posted on 11/30/2012 9:45:28 AM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: KeyLargo
Question: Will my current router running off of my Windows machine work with a MAC? Or do I have to get another router?

Your mileage may vary, but generally Macs and Windows PCs can use the same routers. I have both Macs and (seldom-used) Windows XP computers on the same router at home.
41 posted on 11/30/2012 9:48:41 AM PST by irishjuggler
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To: irishjuggler

Thanks. I want to keep my cable router and not have to go to a wireless.


42 posted on 11/30/2012 9:51:52 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: toast

Agree. People don’t like change so they complain.


43 posted on 11/30/2012 9:53:34 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: No.6

RE: This is silly. Win8 sales are upwards of 40 million

The problem with that 40 million sales number is that it’s not very transparent.

Microsoft hasn’t explained how it’s counting licenses. Without that information, it’s a little hard to tell what that 40 million figure really means.

Many of those licenses could have been obtained before Windows 8 was even launched. A lot of companies bought the rights to Windows 8 before it was available and may now be in the license count even though they haven’t deployed Windows 8.

According to Rob Helm, managing vice president for research at Directions On Microsoft in Kirkland, Wash, a survey his company took of its customers, which are mostly large businesses, indicated adoption of Windows 8 would be slow. It showed that only 13 percent of the firms had plans for a company-wide deployment of new operating system in 2013.

Those survey findings jibe with observations made Wednesday by the CFO of Asus David Chang and Nomura security analyst Richard Sherlund, a widely respected Microsoft watcher.

Chang told the Wall Street Journal that the demand for Windows 8 is not that good right now.

In the long run, all this early speculation about Windows 8 adoption may be producing more heat than light on the subject. It’s just too hard to tell from one month’s experience. everybody’s trying to spot a trend based on one data point. It’s really too soon to tell. We’re all obsessed with instant analysis.


44 posted on 11/30/2012 9:54:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

M$ business model was always based on monopoly.

Monopoly always works for a few decades, then eventually fails when either competition finds a way into the market or the entire environment changes and the monopoly’s product or sales model no longer makes sense.


45 posted on 11/30/2012 9:57:35 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: VanDeKoik

RE: This isn’t windows 8 sales data first of all. This Is sales of PCs that includes the time before Windows 8 was even for sale.

Yep. All the sales figures are from October 26 until November 17. That’s 23 days of sales. Worst, it does not include Black Friday, when the Christmas shopping season kick off.

Also, If Microsoft says it sold 40 million licenses then it should be allowed to prove that. It is unlawful for a publicly traded company to lie about prospective sales because that could influence its stock prices.


46 posted on 11/30/2012 9:57:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: No.6

“This is silly. Win8 sales are upwards of 40 million (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/windows-8-sales-40-million_n_2204935.html).";

It’s funny how they completely keep overlooking that in their deranged drive to somehow prove how awful Windows8 supposedly is.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 10:00:37 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: tacticalogic

To some degree true. However

1. Increasingly apps are being made multiplatform and in many cases are web based. In the PC world apps are less important then they used to be.

2. Ultimately if the OS itself sucks, users are going to become unhappy, developers are going to become unhappy and at some point you reach a tipping point. That’s ultimately my point here - after years and years of at best, mediocrity out of Redmond, the whole eco system and mindshare is shifting - and it may have nothing fundamentally to do with tiles.


48 posted on 11/30/2012 10:00:37 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Tenacious 1
Microsoft created a customer base that expects failure and frustration with new Microsoft products. Even what’s left of the Microsoft loyal will wait a year or two for Microsoft to get the bugs worked out.

I've rushed a couple of computer purchases just to avoid new versions of Windows.

49 posted on 11/30/2012 10:01:31 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Big Bird is a brood parasite: laid in our nest 43 years ago and we are still feeding him.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The PC is not dying. How do people think all these neat mobile devices and tablets are programmed? Not on a mobile device or tablet.

Try running a debugger on a 7 inch screen with an on screen keyboard. Sheesh. Commercials on tv promoting all the social media advances are so obtuse and targeted for the “look at me” demographic. “The next big thing yada yada...” and it is some palm size gadget that allows to share your music playlist, big frickin’ deal. Heck even the smart phones are getting bigger than smaller.

For the people who only surf, waste time on fb and other social crappers, and post youtube videos of inane, stupid stuff, yes they don’t need a PC. For those that actually work they will need a keyboard and at a minimum a 17 inch screen (if not two), 8+ GB of RAM and a xxGB hard drive.

Attention follow up rant: Come to think of it I am sick of hearing about the cloud as well. Yeah let’s put all out data out of our control where any small thing denies us access and anyone can get to it. I do software design and I hate this crap, it is always the newer generation of “engineers” that want everything cloudy and install pant loads of plug-ins and extensions to get their open source crap to run. I look at the achievements made in the 30’s-80’s (aerospace travel for one) without massive computing power and I am sometime feeling we are moving backward. Most technology advances came from space and military research (even medical stuff) and now it is all deriving from what is best for sharing your life BS.

Ah I feel better.


50 posted on 11/30/2012 10:02:23 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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