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Letter Re: Population Density, Traffic and Getting Out of Dodge
survivalblog.com ^ | 11/27/12 | James Rawles

Posted on 11/26/2012 9:42:52 PM PST by Kartographer

Coming home on Sunday I saw 15 accidents in a 20 mile stretch, one accident involving six cars in a tailgating fender bender. Most others were 1-2 cars, or single run off the road flat tire accidents.

This was under a 'holiday' weekend Wednesday and Sunday. What is going to happen when these folks are 'bugging out' like they hear on television? And if there is a real emergency? Where are they going to go if everyone along an Interstate Highway is bugging out at the same time? All points of the compass are going to be a parking lot within 10 miles of any major population center. Then What? Everybody gets out and walks? They wouldn't make it 100 yards before collapsing.

I don't think I can last long enough to get a piece of property and make preps, outside from the city. So I am trying to prep on site, until after the wave flows over us. I fear the European crisis and the Middle East war expanding. It is coming like a freight train and I can't get out of the way.

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To: djf; Kartographer; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; Bride Of Old Sarge; ...

I have heard both sides: that bugging out will make you die, and bugging in will make you die. Only you and your tribe know your situation best.

There was an article on another prepper forum (wish I had saved it for now) about a group in lower Michigan who planned to bug-out on horseback. One weekend, they put their plan to the test. They were riding something like 75 miles, sixteen people in the line of march. By the end of the trek, none of the original horses were with the party, and thirteen of the sixteen riders had quit. That’s over an 80% attrition rate.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 11:36:07 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: ProfoundMan

I think the bug out scenario most might be concerned with is the total collapse of the economy and government, and the fate of good folks living in large metro areas subject to the collapse and all the suspected problems associated with food, water, sanitation, law and order, fire protection, education, etc, etc.

Much will depend on the state of the State in which you live as well as the population of the metro area. Any where on the Eastern seaboard, has a huge bugout problem because of folks trying to leave the large metro areas. Can the western part of the eastern seaboard absorb the millions of people leaving metro areas?

I don’t know why, /s but I’m starting to enjoy the fact that I’m six hundred miles from the nearest population center of any size or concern. Folks also should acccess the last time there was a major bugout scenario like Katrina, and try to factor in the known regional, problems times the entire USA.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 11:46:57 PM PST by wita
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To: Marcella

Thanks for sharing!

Sorry for your loss.


23 posted on 11/26/2012 11:56:42 PM PST by wita
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
if the economy collapses, whatever that means, we'll have feral inner city yutes riding around in stolen cars with stolen gas with their stolen guns....no one will be safe....rape, assault, murder....

better get to know your neighbors...

invite sound family members into your home....the more bodies to protect your house/family the better.....

we're going all have to learn to become families again...

24 posted on 11/27/2012 12:52:27 AM PST by cherry
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To: Kartographer

Or, .... the correct firearms, the needed number of compatriots, the perfect volumn of ammunition, ... and nuetralize everything that moves in an ever increasing circle around the currant location.


25 posted on 11/27/2012 1:31:20 AM PST by exnavy (Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Old Sarge
By the end of the trek, none of the original horses were with the party, and thirteen of the sixteen riders had quit. That’s over an 80% attrition rate.

Horses adn people in poor condition. Trail riders cone into our area for recreation. Few can make over 10 to 15 miles in a day and heaven forbid doing that several days in a row. A well conditioned cow pony can do 30-50 miles a day for several days on reasonable terrain.

26 posted on 11/27/2012 3:59:31 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: oldenuff2no

Morals and ethics are the only thing keeping you from being murdered today. Other peoples morals and ethics.


27 posted on 11/27/2012 4:17:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cherry

“if the economy collapses, whatever that means, we’ll have feral inner city yutes riding around in stolen cars with stolen gas with their stolen guns....no one will be safe....rape, assault, murder”

They won’t be riding far. Look at what just happened in NY/NJ. They only went to neighboring towns. They sure won’t be walking far either.

It won’t be just “feral inner city yutes” who do loot. Here in Florida after hurricanes the looters are out before the wind dies down.

Looters, thieves, rapists and so forth will hit every area up until the roads are blocked and the gas runs out. Then it will be the govt forces doing the stealing.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 4:27:08 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Other peoples morals and ethics.

And now after the recent election we know where many of those people morals and ethics lay.
29 posted on 11/27/2012 4:41:01 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
We bought our 12 acre farm in rural Kentucky two weeks before the 2008 election. We moved here from our home of 45 years, Seattle, in August of 2011. You can't see the house unless you are on the top of the property near the house. The "yard" is about 8 acres.

It is like paradise. Literally. And it is how we feel about it. Every day.

The monthly payments are less than the taxes were on our place in Seattle. The commute is longer, but I drive it at 65-70 mph almost all the way. I still enjoy it.

I've built a few buildings since, and a large garden about 40 feet in front of the house, but here it is a month after we moved and I had completed the rear deck.

I can shoot deer or Turkey out my bedroom window, though the latter is very skittish. We have 22 chickens now that free-range around the house. For fun I hand feed them cracked hickory nuts from our trees. They climb all over me trying to get at them. Evenings are quite often just as beautiful and inviting as the photo suggests. And when the SHTF, it won't be pretty, but we'll survive. Probably.

I highly recommend going Galt. It can be done.

30 posted on 11/27/2012 4:42:19 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Marcella

Thanks. This is an excellent story because it shows an atypical scenario and unexpected emergency. Also, that shelter from heat can be as important as shelter from cold. And it demonstrates why a bug-out kit is needed. No matter how strong your intent to stay put, some situations can force you to move and create a need to move quickly.


31 posted on 11/27/2012 4:53:10 AM PST by tentmaker (Galt's Gulch is a state of mind...)
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To: cuban leaf

That is the most awesome picture...congrats to you.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 5:10:25 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: cuban leaf

If you EVER plan to sell that place, please let me know.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 5:12:08 AM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America; Old Sarge; djf; blam; The Duke; WakeUpAndVote; JRandomFreeper; ...
"What about finding a ‘hideout’ somewhat close to home"

This is something I am carefully considering. My thought is possible look at a out of the way long vacant commercial building of some kind. Something with a drive in back door so I can pull in vehicles out of sight something with a 'front showroom' which would be visible to the passerby, which I would not use, but set-up like a stage; thrash empty paint buckets, piles of debris. Something with a large 'warehouse' like area in the back in which camp could be set-up. Possibly using prefab yard barn type structures for live space something small and cozy using the building merely as a 'windbreak' 'weatherbreak' and the flat roof would lend itself to a good place to setup an un-observable solar array.

The set-up would appear as a vacant empty building with of no interest to looters and thieves and the view-able front area would actually be set-up as a 'fly trap' should anyone decide to enter they would quickly find out that they 'done put their foot in it'. Of course strict light, sound and outside movement protocols would have to be set would have to be observe, but I think such a set-up could get you through the initial 'shock awe' of a major event.
34 posted on 11/27/2012 5:13:40 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Interesting thread. Thanks for posting — and for adding me to your ping list!


35 posted on 11/27/2012 5:14:59 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: cuban leaf

Welcome to the Bluegrass, FRiend!


36 posted on 11/27/2012 5:24:34 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around.")
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To: cuban leaf

Beautiful! I love the Bluegrass.

I’m sure many here have read Rawles’ books - Patriots, Survivors, Founders...
the stories contain several bug out scenarios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wesley_Rawles


37 posted on 11/27/2012 5:40:39 AM PST by spankalib (The downside of liberty is the need to tolerate those who despise it.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“I can think of a worse case scenario, but it involves a wedding”

Ok, now that just made me spit coffee. Thanks for the morning chuckle!


38 posted on 11/27/2012 5:53:50 AM PST by LadyBuck (In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher')
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To: LadyBuck; JRandomFreeper; Marcella
“I can think of a worse case scenario, but it involves a wedding”

And considering we are talking about Johnny here a shotgun is surely involved in the scenario as well. ;-)
39 posted on 11/27/2012 5:57:53 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
The set-up would appear as a vacant empty building with of no interest to looters and thieves

wouldn't that make it attractive to people trying to do what you are doing?

40 posted on 11/27/2012 6:30:59 AM PST by Abundy
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