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The Great Republican/Democrat switch-er-oo
self (vanity) | 11/25/2012 | self

Posted on 11/25/2012 4:04:54 PM PST by LiberConservative

I'm conservative/libertarian. My family are all Obama 'Rats/moochers/OWS types. We had just watched the movie "Lincoln". I opined that it was good (and unusual) to see a Hollywood movie cast middle-aged, white, male Republicans in a favorable light. Yes, of course, the conversation immediately became about race. A few of my family said that at some point in history Republicans became and Democrats and vise-versa. I thought my head was going to explode. I am a huge fan of history and absorb it - especially the civil war. But I had never heard this before. Should I buy more duct tape?


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: democrat; flipflop; lincoln; republican; vanity
Discuss. Thanks in advance.
1 posted on 11/25/2012 4:05:05 PM PST by LiberConservative
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To: LiberConservative

Is that why Byrd, the lovable KKK Democrat, was in the government until his death?


2 posted on 11/25/2012 4:10:01 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: LiberConservative

There was a bunch of democrats who switched parties after Kennedy outlawed segregation, maybe that’s what they were referring to?


3 posted on 11/25/2012 4:11:18 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: LiberConservative

I mean, some people like to say Republicans were “liberal” because they supported Industrialism and Capitalism.

Bourbon Democrats in the South were very much right wing in that they wanted to preserve the landed Planter aristocracy and agricultural interests.

However, I don’t really think going back to the 19th Century is really relevant in terms of modern politics.


4 posted on 11/25/2012 4:11:39 PM PST by Shadow44
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5 posted on 11/25/2012 4:12:15 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: LiberConservative

Take ‘em to see Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Hunter and show them what Lincoln did to “Obama ‘Rats/moochers/OWS types” back in his day. LOL!


6 posted on 11/25/2012 4:13:37 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: LiberConservative

Look up Whigs.


7 posted on 11/25/2012 4:13:58 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: LiberConservative
A few of my family said that at some point in history Republicans became and Democrats and vise-versa.

This is the old "neoconservative" ploy.

What actually happened is that when the socialist effectively took over the democrat party many of the patriotic American democrats moved over to the Republican party. None of the Republicans became democrats.

An example would be Ronald Reagan who famously said " I didn't leave the democrat party, they left me".

8 posted on 11/25/2012 4:15:42 PM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: LiberConservative

Look at which party blacks voted for after the Civil War. Look at which party they overwhelmingly support now.


9 posted on 11/25/2012 4:16:21 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: LiberConservative

Sorry, but I think there was a general switch c.1900-1920.


10 posted on 11/25/2012 4:18:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: LiberConservative; LS

This is an item of faith among the Left, that Republicans became racist for courting the working class White vote in the South starting in the 60s. As with many items of Leftist conventional “wisdom”, it is pure crap.

Two articles for you:

The Dixiecrat Myth
http://www.black-and-right.com/2010/03/19/the-dixiecrat-myth/

Urban Legends: The Dixiecrats and The GOP
http://www.freedomsjournal.net/2011/10/22/urban-legends-the-dixiecrats-and-the-gop/

The first article references FReeper LS, aka history professor Larry Schweikart.


11 posted on 11/25/2012 4:20:10 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: LiberConservative

The Democrats haven’t changed at all, it’s always been about race with them. The races may have changed , but from the “Trail of Tears” to slavery and the KKK and now with race quotas and affirmative action the progressives have always pushed one race over another. This current bunch just does a better job of dressing their racism up as “compassion”.


12 posted on 11/25/2012 4:22:09 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>>Sorry, but I think there was a general switch c.1900-1920.

Right around the time the Democrat Woodrow Wilson instituted segregation and reinvigorated the KKK.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 4:27:26 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: LiberConservative

Patronage was the life blood of the Democrat party from the time of Andrew Jackson; entitlements are patronage writ large, never so explicitly than now, when the patronage “job” is to show up and vote one day every four years. On the other hand , the Republicans have always been for “free labor;” never more explicitly than in Lincoln’s time, but the line is becoming clearer again.


14 posted on 11/25/2012 4:27:39 PM PST by gusopol3
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To: LiberConservative
http://www.lifeslittlemysteries.com/2934-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
15 posted on 11/25/2012 4:28:25 PM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: LiberConservative
Just to confuse the social justice types in your family try this on them:

This guy says that the reason for the civil war was to preserve the union. And he said the union was in jeopardy due to the international bankers who did not want the U.S. to be able to print it's own 'greenback' currency. Apparently, the bankers who print the money want a monopoly, globally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKmqAX0Fqw0

16 posted on 11/25/2012 4:32:05 PM PST by x_plus_one
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To: YankeeReb

There is more to it that just race.

What has happened in the last generation is a trend toward outsourcing American jobs.

This is a loss for all Americans. Yet we as Republicans have supported this right up to the point is has now cost us the Whitehouse.

Granted the media bias has been particularly heavy this time, and I believe we have not actually lost yet. At least not permanently.

But we lost the last election. And it was because we had no counterpoint.

It is important for Republicans to get out of the outsourcing mode, and start finding ways to build up America.

America.


17 posted on 11/25/2012 4:33:07 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: LiberConservative

The switcheroo started with FRD and finally finished when LBJ and MLK Jr. struck a deal to pass the Civil Rights Act by the ending of the democRATS opposition to it. And LBJ’s Great Society he said “ I’ll have them niggers voting for democRAT for the next two hundred years”. Damned if he wasn’t right.

In disgust the Strom Thurmond’s and a few others became Republicans.

That was the end of the Republicans.

We should simply admit that now and move on and create a new party that embraces liberty not socialism lite.


18 posted on 11/25/2012 4:35:59 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: LiberConservative

19 posted on 11/25/2012 4:36:14 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: LiberConservative

That’s a pretty common meme from the Dems.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 4:40:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: LiberConservative

Give them this little nugget.

That was posted during the 2008 election or close to it....

I am a conservative. I am a Republican.

Among other things, this means that—based on no evidence whatsoever—I have been called a racist exactly one million times.

* I have been called a racist as a collective slur of all Republicans, by hundreds of thousands of lefties from the media to academia to Hollywood, for the last half-century.

* I have been called a racist by Barack Obama.

* I have been called a racist in comment threads.

* I was recently called a racist in an email pursuant to this article—an article which had exactly jack.squat to do with race.

* I have been called a racist to my face. Never by a black person, but by more than one white liberal.

Well, I finally snapped back. You know I’ve snapped when I write in second person.

Do I feel bad about that? Not at all.

They’ve been making it personal—silencing all debate with a single word—for decades. To blazes with the rascals.

Print this out, and the next time it happens to you, either directly or indirectly, you tell ‘em this:

Oh stop it. Not one more word.

Stop trying to project your own racism upon us.

YOU, in fact, are the real racists.

Historically, your Party’s racism and atrocities are undeniable. Yours was the Party of Slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, and opposition to every piece of civil rights legislation the GOP tried to pass. The KKK is the terrorist wing of the Democratic Party . . . .YOUR Party.

But even today, your racism continues. Oh sure, you smile and say how much you support blacks and how many wonderful, “articulate” blacks you admire, but beneath that lie is a contempt you show with your every action.

It is YOUR boot on the throat of every person whom you’ve made into a government dependent.

The black family, once the equal in cohesion to the white family, is now rent asunder. Welfare rules you created and touted as humane for 40 years have driven black men and black women apart. Most black children now grow up without a dad in the home. The blood of the black family is on YOUR hands.

It is YOUR abortion mills that are bringing about a slow genocide of blacks in America.

Those are YOUR abortion mills, which are carrying on the work of YOUR hero, Margaret Sanger . . . the feminist, eugenicist, and nazi darling . . . you know, the one who wanted to make sure the word didn’t get out about her plan to “exterminate the negro.”

It is YOUR people who say that the drop in crime in the 90s was brought about by the abortion of what YOU called would-be criminal black babies.

It is you who think so little of black people that you constantly tell them, in word and in deed, that they are not able to compete on a level playing field. It is you who seek to drive this message home every chance you get. It is you who uses this lie to keep them on a plantation of government dependence and electoral vassalage.

All we want blacks to do is build familes, get rich, and participate in the building of a civil society . . . .just like what we want for everyone else. And you call US the racists?

Oh, and let’s go back in time, shall we?

The Republican Party fought—and its people died—to end Slavery.

Then, we fought and died to end segregation, and to bring voting and other civil rights to all the freed slaves.

Died? Yes, died. We died because YOU created the KKK to kill Republicans and blacks, and to take away the gains we were trying to make.

And you did a damn good job of it, too. You drove us out of the South.

We fought for civil rights for 100 years. You opposed our every effort.

You opposed our attempts to end segregation. You filibustered our civil rights bills. You even fought against us when we proposed anti-lynching legislation.

Your officials turned firehoses on people marching for freedom. Your governors stood in the doorways of schools to prevent little black girls and boys from entering.

It was a REPUBLICAN president who had to send the National Guard — the National Guard! — just so that these children could go to school.

Civil Rights did not become possible because you started supporting it. Civil rights became possible because you stopped standing in the way of it.

More of our politicians supported Civil Rights legislation than yours did. Yours filibustered it! It finally made it through because of the tireless efforts of the Republican minority leader.

Oh what, now you want to tell me that it was only the SOUTHERN Democrats who were the racists? Okay fine. Half of your party were slaveholding, segregationist, KKK-creating, Jim Crow upholding opposers of civil rights.

Gee, only half? You must be very proud.

Guess what, NONE of my party ever was. We didn’t stop fighting for civil rights until civil rights legislation was finally passed.

You wanna tell me that only half your party was bad? Fine. That half of your party controlled your attitude towards race from the foundations of this nation all the way up until the 1960s. That half of your party WAS the problem. Without them, we would have done away with segregation and poll taxes and lynchings 140 years ago.

Oh, and let’s look at the South. When Democrats controlled the South, it was a bastion of segregation. Now, Republicans control the South . . . and look! We didn’t bring back segregation and literacy tests for voting. It may not be perfect yet, but it’s not the segregated place you made it anymore.

You have the nerve to call me a racist? To call us racists? Why? Because I am a Republican? You have a lot of nerve. Or is it because I have white skin?

You’d better not be saying that, because that’s called blood guilt. That says that I’m guilty by nothing more than my biology. That idea was very popular in Germany in the 1930s, but I have to say, we don’t much appreciate it now.

Oh, and funny thing, that idea was also popular among YOUR ideological forebears for almost two centuries. Interesting that you’re pushing a similar notion here in 2011.

My ideological forebears fought and died to put an end to the injustices YOUR ideological forebears wrought. I am proud to follow in their tradition. I have NOTHING to be ashamed of.

For what your ideological forebears did . . . and for what you’re doing today . . . you might want to think about feeling a bit of shame yourself.

You are still capable of feeling shame, aren’t you?


21 posted on 11/25/2012 4:41:42 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Outsourcing jobs is a problem with the economics of profits. Unions hurt profits so I am in favor of shipping those manufacturing jobs overseas. Bringing in manufacturing jobs into right to work states, e.g., republican/red states means no unionization in most cases. These factories make more profit, but keep their prices high so as not to destroy the union plants whose profits are low; there is a reason the foreign car manufacturers did not go to the North or UAW states. The most profitable business model is to find a democrat monopoly like the MSM and counter with a FOX, or a GM plant and build Hondas. There is less competition, and your profit as the competitor is higher because you do not have overhead associated with the democrat social model. While GM is shipping jobs overseas from the Blue States, the Germans and Japanese are shipping jobs to the Red states. Should have been a campaign commercial on this.


22 posted on 11/25/2012 4:43:37 PM PST by Jumper
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To: LiberConservative

The Democrats werer the party of slavery, then they were the party of Jim Crow, then they became the party of abortion and the destruction of the black family.

Your relatives are clueless.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 4:45:48 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Cigarettes are like squirrels: Perfectly harmless until you put one in your mouth and set it on fire)
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To: oldbrowser

Um, Arlen Specter switched parties and became a Democrat.


24 posted on 11/25/2012 4:46:46 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Ouderkirk

25 posted on 11/25/2012 4:49:55 PM PST by mnehring
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To: LiberConservative

Also; .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fEqkphVOkHc#t=5s


26 posted on 11/25/2012 4:55:15 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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27 posted on 11/25/2012 5:25:28 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Ouderkirk

Yes, and Martin Luther King and Frederic Douglas were both Republicans. A higher % of republicans voted for the civil rights act of 1964 than did democrats.


28 posted on 11/25/2012 5:35:19 PM PST by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: Jumper

Yes and no.

We gained come jobs in red states, but we also on balance outsourced a (bunch) more jobs than we gained.

So on balance we fell further behind. 16 trillion now.

No sign that will improve. Should get much worse in fact.


29 posted on 11/25/2012 5:39:19 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: LiberConservative

LBJ stopped Eisenhower from implementing his own Civil Rights Act in 1959. Can’t have a Republican get away with helping the Black folks you know. If I recall, LBJ was the Democrat.

Al Gore’s Father, Senator Al Gore Sr. and Bill Clinton’s “mentor” Senator J.W. Fulbright both voted against the Civil Rights Act. As I recall they were both Democrats.

Robert Byrd, well need I say more?


30 posted on 11/25/2012 5:47:26 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As the Chinese say, erections have consequences...)
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To: x_plus_one
This guy says that the reason for the civil war was to preserve the union. And he said the union was in jeopardy due to the international bankers who did not want the U.S. to be able to print it's own 'greenback' currency. Apparently, the bankers who print the money want a monopoly, globally.

Very odd notion. The US was on the gold standard, which didn't let anybody "print the money," prior to the war. And there was essentially no demand by anybody to go to a different currency system.

The CSA and USA started printing money to help pay for the war.

IOW, paper money didn't cause the war, the war caused paper money.

31 posted on 11/25/2012 5:55:21 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Boiling point; Ouderkirk

Add to it that it was JFK’s justice department who wiretapped King, attempted to entrap him with hookers, and imprisoned him. It wasn’t until Kennedy saw how a political calculation to pander to this group and struck a deal with King’s family to get King out of jail in exchange for political endorsements. (and LBJ took it one step further and saw that creating a dependency class would keep people indebted to the Democrat part for, in his words, 200 years- using very Democrat language I won’t repeat here).


32 posted on 11/25/2012 6:00:02 PM PST by mnehring
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To: LiberConservative

There was a point made by ol’ Zo, I believe, that I thought was good: for those who think there was some kind of party switch with regards to civil rights, just tell them this - that when the South was Democrat, it was racist as hell with slavery, Jim Crow, KKK, etc. As it became more Republican, it became less racist. Now that the South is no more racist than the rest of the country, they are mostly Republican. Therefore, we can conclude that the more Republican a region is, the less racist it is.


33 posted on 11/25/2012 6:11:58 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: LiberConservative

It’s a lie.


34 posted on 11/25/2012 6:20:36 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: LiberConservative
I'd strongly advise heading off to your local shooting gallery to exercise your Second Amendment with abandon, naming each target a different member of your family.

A couple of double tap head shots just might adjust their attitude, as it's obvious these people are dead, dumb and blind to the truth.

There are none so blind as those who will not see!

35 posted on 11/25/2012 6:39:06 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: sauropod

mark


36 posted on 11/25/2012 6:44:35 PM PST by sauropod (For Barack so loved the poor, he created millions more of them.)
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To: LiberConservative
My family are all Obama 'Rats/moochers/OWS types.

Enjoy life...without them.

37 posted on 11/25/2012 7:11:50 PM PST by PGalt
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To: LiberConservative

1.) Get out a complete roll of Duct Tape.

2.) Wrap your head tightly with the complete roll of Duct Tape.

3.) S-L-O-W-L-Y spell out the name of the political party in the 1960’s whose Leader made the following exhortation: “ ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU - - - - “

Liber? Liber C.? Stay with me pal! I’ve got an Ambulance on the way! Liber - - - ?


38 posted on 11/25/2012 7:39:43 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_faq


39 posted on 11/25/2012 9:42:45 PM PST by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: LiberConservative

The so called change came about due to the changing economic factors in the South. Before the rise of the Sun Belt, the South was an economic backwater to the rest of the country. Southern Democrats were big supporters of the New Deal. They were big government supporters, remember segregation was big government. Roosevelt looked the other way on segregation in order to keep the South solidly within the New Deal coalition. When the northern unions chased many businesses into the Sun Belt, a rising professional and managerial class rose in the South. These folks were the ones to lead the GOP to prominence in the South. They were not the same statists as the segregationist Democrats were. They were against big government, knowing the basis of the economic success of the Sun Belt. Once this occurred, the political change came. The other factor was the political mobilization of evangelicals, and ironically Jimmy Carter was original motivator. Evangelicals strongly went to the polls for the first time as a block to support Carter in 1976. This backfired on the Democrats in that they quickly moved to the GOP as they were horrified by the liberal social policies of most of the Democrat Party.


40 posted on 11/25/2012 10:00:07 PM PST by gusty
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To: Sherman Logan

Watch the video, then comment.


41 posted on 11/26/2012 1:18:20 AM PST by x_plus_one
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To: Ouderkirk; FreedomPoster
The switcheroo started with FRD and finally finished when LBJ and MLK Jr. struck a deal to pass the Civil Rights Act by the ending of the democRATS opposition to it. And LBJ’s Great Society he said “ I’ll have them niggers voting for democRAT for the next two hundred years”. Damned if he wasn’t right.

In disgust the Strom Thurmond’s and a few others became Republicans.

That was the end of the Republicans.

We should simply admit that now and move on and create a new party that embraces liberty not socialism lite.

In Reply #ll FreedomPoster provides links that show that your gloss is superficial and your conclusion is wrong. I especially like http://www.freedomsjournal.net/2011/10/22/urban-legends-the-dixiecrats-and-the-gop/, which make points including:
  1. Not all Southern Democrats bolted to the “Dixiecrat” party, and Strom Thurman was one of only three prominent Dixiecrats (out of five Dixiecrat Governors and 21 Dixiecrat Senators) to go over to the Republican Party. The rest returned to the Democrat fold, fought the Civil Rights acts of 1957, 1960, and 1964 as Democrats, and retired as Democrats. So Strom Thurman was not at all typical of Dixiecrats in general.

  2. There is a difference between Republicans having respect for the Tenth Amendment and states’ rights, on one hand, and segregationists trying to use the Tenth Amendment to trump the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, on the other. As the example of the Eighteenth Amendment (Prohibition) and the Twenty First Amendment (repeal of Prohibition) illustrates, it is nonsense to use an earlier amendment to trump a later amendment.

Democrats have always used the segregationists to tar Republicans and the Tenth Amendment, but no subsequent amendment has actually repealed the Tenth Amendment. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments reflect the fact that the original intent of the framers of the Constitution was to leave out the Bill of Rights, on the principle that the powers of the Federal Government were defined and few, and anything outside of those bounds was forbidden without a Bill of Rights - including things that would not be articulated in any bill of rights which the framers could devise. The Nineth and Tenth Amendments intend to establish that the first eight amendments are to be a floor under our rights - not a ceiling above them, as is all too often the case in practice. Just as the Federalists feared when they opposed the inclusion of a bill of rights.

So appeal to the Tenth Amendment is legitimate - just not the particular appeal made by the segregationists, which Republicans have never been.


42 posted on 11/26/2012 1:34:40 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: x_plus_one

Ahh, the old Rothschilds/Jews/international bankers did it meme.

Sorry, but I have better things to do than watch 2.5 hours of somebody viewing history thru their anti-semitic lens.

Were the Rothschilds influential? You bet. Did they or do they “control the world?” Nope.


43 posted on 11/26/2012 2:22:47 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: All

Thanks so much FRiends. I have a lot of reading to do. I won’t try to change any minds, but I’ll at least know I have my sanity. You folks are the BEST.


44 posted on 11/26/2012 5:30:39 PM PST by LiberConservative
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