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Did Obama Cheat? How to Answer the Question
American Thinker ^ | Nov 17, 2012 | Paul Murphy

Posted on 11/17/2012 11:40:15 AM PST by patriot08

November 17, 2012 Did Obama Cheat? How to Answer the Question By Paul Murphy

There are 15 states with photo ID requirements for voting. Mr. Obama lost in all of them. In places with the weakest controls, specifically counties in Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvania, he generally drew turnouts in the 90% or greater range and won by better than 95% of the vote. Losers tend to look for external explanations, and a lot of conservatives looking at numbers like those from Florida's St. Lucie County (where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters) are starting to question the legitimacy of the electoral results as reported. That's not good news for democracy, because the system works only if we trust it -- and having a majority in the GOP write off a minority who think the results were rigged serves nobody. Not even Democrats. So what we need is an independent means of testing the electoral result. The traditional way of doing this is, of course, to assume legitimacy, then gather anecdotal evidence of vote-cheating, promote that to sworn testimony through.... (Read Full Article)

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: obama; voterfraud; yes; yesobamacheated
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To: patriot08
I'm getting tired of so many conservatives making conservatives look like idiots. We are supposed to be the intelligent group.

There are 15 states with photo ID requirements for voting.

This is correct. The states are: Idaho, South Dakota, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Hawaii, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida.

Mr. Obama lost in all of them.

President Obama won Hawaii, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. So he won 5 of the 15.

The other 10 are conservative states where he was not expected to be competitive. Conservatives like voter ID photo ID laws, so it's not surprising that conservative states passed these laws, or that Obama lost them.

The writer got his facts wrong, and then used faulty logic to try to make a point unsupported by his facts.

In places with the weakest controls, specifically counties in Florida, Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvania, he generally drew turnouts in the 90% or greater range and won by better than 95% of the vote.

The only criteria the writer has for "weakest controls" is that he claims it, based on the outcome. The claim of 90% turnout was false, and debunked in several news stories. No claim for the 90% is ever accompanied by an actual link to voting results. Obama did win some precincts by 95% or better, but so did every democrat running in those precincts over the last 10 years, because there are in fact places where everybody is a liberal democrat.

Losers tend to look for external explanations,

Especially easily deceived losers who like to grasp at straws and live in a fantasy world.

and a lot of conservatives looking at numbers like those from Florida's St. Lucie County (where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters)

That claim is false, started by an idiot who saw a report on the number of ballots returned, and didn't know that there were two ballots per voter. Now lots of conservatives repeat this stupid claim because they can't be bothered to check the facts.

are starting to question the legitimacy of the electoral results as reported.

This is one of those "action sentences" used by writers who don't have anything useful to say, but want to suggest that other people have bought into their delusion.

Sad thing is, there are real issues, but they are being buried by the absurd global conspiracy arguments being made, which act only to make conservatives look stupid.

That's not good news for democracy,

That's not good for conservatives, when our own side makes us look like fools.

because the system works only if we trust it -- and having a majority in the GOP write off a minority who think the results were rigged serves nobody.

Not sure what the writer's point is here -- he starts out talking about trusting the system being important, and then faults people for not buying into rediculous conspiracy theories. Not even Democrats. So what we need is an independent means of testing the electoral result.

Something the writer has no clue about how to actually do. For example, you could take a precinct where you think the results are odd, and then look at the historical data for that precinct. I did this for several of the precincts mentioned in various blogs, and found that the results of this election match historical norms.

You can also compare results to polls, and in this case you find the polls match the election results, even unvarnished trivial looks like the RCP average, which shows that Obama was leading in 3 of the 4 swing states mentioned in this article. The traditional way of doing this is, of course, to assume legitimacy, then gather anecdotal evidence of vote-cheating, promote that to sworn testimony through.....

That's hardly the "traditional way" of testing the results. What that is is simply the traditional outcome of an election. We "assume" legitimacy because there's no value in assuming fraud. Do you go to the grocery store assuming that all the food has been poisoned, and then buy equipment to test all your food when you get home to be, sure it is safe? No, you assume that if there was poison you'd find out about it pretty quickly.

The system works, because unlike the fantasy world occupied by the conspiracists who give conservatives a bad name, in the real world people who run for office actually want to win more than anything, having invested their lives in the process, and therefore are highly motivated to examine the election outcome and find evidence that they were cheated.

A perfect example of this is Allen West, who isn't the exception, but the norm. He saw things that looked wrong, and he pushed for a recount. We don't know how that will turn out.

I've never known a politician who would walk away from a fraudulent result without a fight. People who would do so would never get into politics in the first place.

21 posted on 11/17/2012 12:23:08 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: hosepipe

The one party system probably started long before W but I failed to notice it until W’s second term he suddenly changed and seemed to have a severe case of the body snatchers. Now we know he and daddy are just as lib as the Clintons.


22 posted on 11/17/2012 12:27:16 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: patriot08

BTW, I’m sure there was voter fraud, and I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere it was enough to throw an election.

Unfortunately, I also am sure that we’ll never know about it, in no small part because of the vast conspiracy theory meme being thrown around.

Nobody can actually look for real fraud, because there is too much disinformation; people are grasping at straws, and missing the substance.


23 posted on 11/17/2012 12:29:55 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: patriot08

<>(where Mr. Obama got 247,713 votes from only 175,554 registered voters)<>

That is pure bs. Any lame brain at American Thinker with a computer could check and find out that Obama got 66,246 votes in St Lucie.

When are “conservatives” going to quit with this blatant lie.

http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

Now what is true and worth noting is that the Democrat Supervisor of Elections Dirty Gerty Walker got 76,000 votes — 10,000 more than Obama — while her Republican opponent got 41,000 — 15,000 less than Romney. How is that even remotely possible???

That should raise eyebrows.


24 posted on 11/17/2012 1:02:10 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: patriot08
Did Obunga cheat?

Is the bear Catholic? Does the Pope....

/R Crumb

25 posted on 11/17/2012 1:34:56 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: ncfool; Captainpaintball
Why haven't we heard anything from John Fund, talk radio, etc?

Why is this not contested by the GOP?

This may explain it...

Why the GOP won't challenge voter fraud.

Includes interview snip with True the Vote spokesperson.

26 posted on 11/17/2012 1:41:27 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/CountyReportingStatus/


27 posted on 11/17/2012 2:03:15 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: bgill

Whole Bush family are one worlders...


28 posted on 11/17/2012 2:25:08 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: bgill; rawcatslyentist; Whosoever

Running the inventor of Romney-care against the inventor of Obama-care..
WHAT COULD GO WRONG?..


29 posted on 11/17/2012 2:28:09 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: tumblindice

When these counties are announced, IF SOMEONE VOTED for Romney, LET HIM or HER COME FORWARD and announce that his/her WAS NOT COUNTED!!

Where are these people???????


30 posted on 11/17/2012 3:14:13 PM PST by noah (noah)
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To: patriot08

We no longer have a democracy, with our Pravda main stream media and crooked election system.


31 posted on 11/17/2012 4:14:30 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: hosepipe

There haven’t been any article 2 eligible candidates from either party for the last 2 elections. No, just a coincidence, back to the salt mines serf.


32 posted on 11/17/2012 4:26:18 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You need to stop posting such fact-driven and common sense responses on these threads. You’ll put a real crimp in people’s delusion of having been “stabbed in the back.”

Wait, never mind. Looking downthread I see nobody has bothered to try to refute your comments, just continued on with the conspiracy claims.

FWIW, I’m in Florida, and they asked to see my driver’s license and looked it up to see if I was registered before I was given a ballot.


33 posted on 11/17/2012 4:34:10 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rawcatslyentist
There haven’t been any article 2 eligible candidates from either party for the last 2 elections.

On what basis are Romney, Ryan, Biden or Palin ineligible?

34 posted on 11/17/2012 4:36:02 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: patriot08

The RNC and DNC made their Consent Decree 30 years ago, in 1982. The agreement in effect gives a carte blanche to the Democrat Party to commit vote fraud in every voting district across America that has, in the language of the Consent Decree, “a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations.”

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/


35 posted on 11/17/2012 6:01:25 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Sherman Logan

Romneys father was Mexican, McLame was born in a Panamanian hospital.


36 posted on 11/17/2012 6:34:29 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: patriot08

Did you put this political essay in chat?


37 posted on 11/17/2012 6:35:05 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Mortrey

Preposterous. Not buying it.


38 posted on 11/17/2012 6:35:19 PM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Romney’s father was born in Mexico to two American citizens, making him by the laws of the time an American citizen, though arguably not a natural-born citizen. Romney himself was born in the USA to two American citizens, making him NBC by even the most stringent standards I’ve seen proposed.

You seem to be proposing that the parents of a presidential candidate must themselves be NBC, which I think carrying the argument a generation too far.

Are you proposing that the child of two American citizens serving overseas in the US military should be ineligible for the presidency because his parents served their country? Doesn’t that sound just a trifle harsh even to you?


39 posted on 11/17/2012 7:03:53 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

It just seems more than coincidence that the RNC aka DNCII chose these two to run against a clearly non American candidate.


40 posted on 11/17/2012 7:10:22 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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