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Florida man describes being shot by police Taser as he sprayed fire with garden hose
Miami Herald ^ | November 13, 2012 | KAMEEL STANLEY

Posted on 11/14/2012 8:00:59 PM PST by Altariel

PINELLAS PARK -- The fire was all around Dan Jensen.

He could see it. He could smell it. He could hear it.

It was close enough to touch. It was burning down his neighbor's house. It was creeping toward Jensen's own fence 10 feet away, and he started spraying the fire with his hose.

Police ordered Jensen to get back, and he complied.

But after a few minutes passed without firefighters arriving, a frustrated Jensen stepped forward and leaned down to grab the skinny gray garden hose once again.

That's when he heard the order.

"Hit 'em! Take him down! Tase him!"

Within moments, Jensen was on the ground. He felt electric.

"It was all over me," Jensen said. "Crawling all over me."

The 42-year-old commercial fisherman is still struggling to comprehend exactly how things deteriorated so quickly Thursday. He said he doesn't understand why police shot him with a Taser that night as he tried to battle a house fire at 3420 Beechwood Ter. N.

Jensen's family, friends and neighbors have been quick to defend him and accuse police of crossing a line.

"It was wrong," he said. "There's no way around it. … I was fighting a fire. I wasn't fighting police. I thought they were here to help me. Instead, they hurt me."

Police said they can sympathize with the stress Jensen was under. But they said he put himself and officers in danger when he refused to back down from fighting the fire.

Pinellas Park Capt. Sanfield Forseth told the Tampa Bay Times authorities could have even charged Jensen with obstruction, but decided against it.

Jensen's attorney, Heidi Imhof, said she believes authorities are trying to deflect attention from their actions that night. She called the Taser use "excessive force."

"They can't just Taser anyone," she said. "He's an unarmed person on his private property trying to fight a fire."

Imhof said the officers had other options. They could have yanked Jensen away, she said, or just turned off the water.

The agency's policy says officers must issue a warning before using a Taser, "except when such warning could provide a tactical advantage to the subject."

Imhof said her client was never warned.

Jensen said he's "disappointed" in police.

He said that when they arrived on the scene, they told him to back off and let insurance take care of it. He did for a few minutes but grew impatient and irate. He picked up the hose again because he thought firefighters weren't getting there soon enough.

Officials told the Times it took six minutes for fire fighters to respond.

"That's my home," Jensen said Monday, his voice breaking. "That's my family."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; florida; pinellaspark; taser
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1 posted on 11/14/2012 8:01:06 PM PST by Altariel
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To: Altariel

Wannabe cops....not real ones.


2 posted on 11/14/2012 8:03:06 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Altariel

Gee, I can’t imagine why anyone would hate the pigs. He must not have had a dog they could shoot.


3 posted on 11/14/2012 8:03:15 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Altariel

He’s lucky they didn’t shoot him in order to save him.


4 posted on 11/14/2012 8:03:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Altariel

Pretty sure I’d be in jail for punching out the cop.
I don’t care if it was a week later.

Try to find a jury to convict me!


5 posted on 11/14/2012 8:06:44 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Altariel

I used my garden hose on a fire while waiting for the fire dept. once. I got a brief honorable mention in the newspaper for it. No tazers. Of course, I live in the good old U.S. OF A unlike the guy in this story.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 8:06:51 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: Altariel

” Police said they can sympathize with the stress Jensen was under. But they said he put himself and officers in danger when he refused to back down from fighting the fire.”

Warren v. District of Columbia
Police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals.

Published: June 28, 2005
WASHINGTON, June 27 – The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

How are they in danger when they know they have no duty to protect him, according to SCOTUS?


7 posted on 11/14/2012 8:07:20 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

If it only took 6 minutes for firefighters to get there, how were the police there first?

This story makes no sense.


8 posted on 11/14/2012 8:08:33 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Altariel; Daffynition
he sprayed fire with garden hose

I misunderstood. I clicked because I wanted to learn more about this special garden hose. I was thinking "American ingenuity... the Republic will surely survive."

Sigh.

9 posted on 11/14/2012 8:09:06 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Altariel

There was a time in American history when the liberal use of tar and feathers delivered a very clear message. It is long past time that this tradition was revived.


10 posted on 11/14/2012 8:10:13 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: Altariel

All citizens are suspects. Suspects will comply or be tazed. Welcome to the New America.


11 posted on 11/14/2012 8:10:39 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Altariel

I hope that guy sues the hell out of those pigs.


12 posted on 11/14/2012 8:11:14 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Altariel
The 42-year-old commercial fisherman is still struggling to comprehend exactly how things deteriorated so quickly Thursday. He said he doesn't understand why police shot him with a Taser that night as he tried to battle a house fire at 3420 Beechwood Ter. N.

It is because he isn't an "official" government agent. Only "official" government agents are authorized to fight fires.

13 posted on 11/14/2012 8:13:31 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Simple. The police have a system worked out, so when they get a code over the radio that means they don’t have to run around or put themselves in any danger, they rush over to those calls so they can stand around and drink coffee. Then, they take their sweet time getting to the tough calls, hoping the suspects will have fled already, so they can stand around and drink coffee.


14 posted on 11/14/2012 8:14:30 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Altariel
Police said they can sympathize with the stress Jensen was under. But they said he put himself and officers in danger when he refused to back down from fighting the fire.

I detest these small-brained idiots with a little authority. They don't know it's not enough to SAY that he put himself and officers in danger when he refused to continue fighting a fire that threatened his property.
How exactly, you morons?
Obama may get away with that crap, but you incompetents can't.

Pinellas Park Capt. Sanfield Forseth told the Tampa Bay Times authorities could have even charged Jensen with obstruction, but decided against it.

Then charge him, pea-brain! I relish the thought of a trial and the decision of a jury.
Or be prepared to lose a suit for abuse of power under color of authority. I would contribute to this victim's defense.

15 posted on 11/14/2012 8:16:57 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Altariel

I can’t wait for the day that citizens start paying these thugs with badges back, up close and personal. Like when they are shopping, or at the movies, or...

Just walk up behind them and WHAM!


16 posted on 11/14/2012 8:18:28 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: RC one; LucyT; Nachum; MestaMachine; DAVEY CROCKETT
I used my garden hose on a fire while waiting for the fire dept. once. I got a brief honorable mention in the newspaper for it. No tazers. Of course, I live in the good old U.S. OF A unlike the guy in this story.

Would that be in California recently?

Under new law Homeowners may face 6 years in prison and fines of $100,000 Dollars a Day for Washing Car in Driveway

Snip: Cities throughout San Diego, south Orange and southwest Riverside counties must enforce the law, and set up 24-hour hot lines for people to report violations by their neighbors.

17 posted on 11/14/2012 8:22:46 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Ezekiel

18 posted on 11/14/2012 8:24:42 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I am glad that I don’t work there. Around here the police assist homeowners with anything that they have got to help keep fires under control until we arrive. They worry us because they often run into burning rooms with extinguishers or garden hoses and no protective clothing. The police that I work with are determined to protect people and property. I have been to dozens of incidents where the police and/or residents have put out or kept fires from spreading using garden hoses. I thought that I worked in a screwed up liberal part of the country... but at least a little common sense still prevails around here.


19 posted on 11/14/2012 8:27:22 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Altariel
I thought they were here to help me.

"You fool!" [/Gilbert Gottfried]

20 posted on 11/14/2012 8:27:38 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: Altariel
"The firemen arrived in 6 minutes".

Bravo Sierra!

The various activities and scenarios DON'T FIT THE LIE AT ALL !

Leni

21 posted on 11/14/2012 8:28:36 PM PST by MinuteGal (Tuesday, November 6, 2012.....A Day that will Live in Infamy)
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To: publius911

What irks me mist is that dangling over our heads are thousands of laws, of which no one—not regular citizens nor cops nor lawyers—has comprehensive knowledge, any one of which we can be guilty of at any moment. That, not absence of rules, represents the bad kind of anarchy. The worst are the elastic charges like obstruction, disorderly conduct, etc. through which cops on the scene become absolute dictators.


22 posted on 11/14/2012 8:36:00 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Altariel

I pray the sadistic bastards that did this get raped repeatedly by their enormously well-endowed cell mates.

I’m all for the proper use of TASERs, but I would stipulate that the proper use is as an alternative to deadly force when deadly force is otherwise indicated.


23 posted on 11/14/2012 8:43:22 PM PST by dangus
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To: Altariel

sorta makes you wonder if when you see a fire or a crime in progress, should you do something about it or just stand by and watch?


24 posted on 11/14/2012 8:44:27 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: Altariel

water and volts don’t mix


25 posted on 11/14/2012 8:45:32 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Altariel

“let insurance take care of it...”??

seriously??

There was a day when cops would help fight the fire until the firetrucks arrived, even drag out people and kittens from the house.


26 posted on 11/14/2012 8:48:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Ezekiel

Right there with you. I thought he had rigged a flamethrower using a water hose.


27 posted on 11/14/2012 8:48:34 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: publius911

The cops were the only ones doing any obstructing!


28 posted on 11/14/2012 8:51:08 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: fireman15

Lucky for me, I live in same type of community. The local police and firemen are our friends and neighbors.


29 posted on 11/14/2012 8:51:40 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: 1st Division guy

I remember seeing a fire in an apartment building. Me and my brother, who was driving, turned around and started knocking on doors to get people out of there.

We never got credit for anything, never even thought about it.


30 posted on 11/14/2012 8:55:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

how were the police there first?

What’s left out of the story is a donut shop is right across the street.


31 posted on 11/14/2012 8:56:39 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: coconutt2000

And the context fit too! I mean, that he would have been tased for using such an ingenious homemade weapon. It had such potential for being a “God Bless America” moment. :(


32 posted on 11/14/2012 8:56:55 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Altariel
Imhof said the officers had other options. They could have yanked Jensen away, she said, or just turned off the water.

But that way they couldn't have watched him twitching in agony on the ground. So cool!

Change the police department personnel policies to screen for sadists. Fire the sadists on the force (or at least keep them away from the public). Don't hire the sadists who want a badge for all the wrong reasons.

33 posted on 11/14/2012 8:58:46 PM PST by TChad
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To: MamaDearest

I said the good old US of A, not the people’s Republic of California. I live in Ohio. We ever start passing BS laws like that and we’ll be moving to Arizona.


34 posted on 11/14/2012 9:04:04 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: fireman15

It sounds like your local community still employs peace officers, not LEOs.

Peace officers are decreasing in number, as LEOs increase.

This shift is a bad one for liberty.


35 posted on 11/14/2012 9:04:57 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Tazers = Electric Whips


36 posted on 11/14/2012 9:08:30 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Altariel

I don’t recognize my nation anymore.


37 posted on 11/14/2012 9:16:19 PM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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To: Talisker

Another THX 1138 moment brought to you by big government!


38 posted on 11/14/2012 9:19:00 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MamaDearest

“Under new law Homeowners may face 6 years in prison and fines of $100,000 Dollars a Day for Washing Car in Driveway”

I followed that link because I thought that you were kidding.

You were not.

You know, the Russians made a big damn mistake letting East Germany go. I think that the entire Stasi wound up here.

No wonder property values in California crashed and will probably not come back in our lifetimes. Apparently, the only thing you can do in or around “your” (and I use the term loosely) house is sleep and store your car so that you can go to work and pay the mortgage and property taxes on it! What a deal!

And they claim that slavery was abolished!


39 posted on 11/14/2012 9:22:05 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: TChad

“Change the police department personnel policies to screen for sadists.”

That won’t work, because then there won’t be nearly enough applicants. So, who will protect us then? :)


40 posted on 11/14/2012 9:23:42 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“I don’t recognize my nation anymore.”

I don’t live in the country that I was born and raised in - but I didn’t move. Weird.


41 posted on 11/14/2012 9:25:57 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Daffynition

Actual photgragh taken before tazing incident

Obviosly the guy was out of control :-/

42 posted on 11/14/2012 9:40:21 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: The Antiyuppie
That won’t work, because then there won’t be nearly enough applicants.

I know you are kidding (especially in this economy), but it is worth stating clearly that cops aren't all sadists, and there are good cops who are very valuable to their communities. I hope they are more common than I think they are.

So, who will protect us then?

How 'bout the good cops protect us from the bad cops, and we protect ourselves from the criminals?

43 posted on 11/14/2012 10:02:16 PM PST by TChad
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I don’t recognize my nation anymore.

I don't even recognize many of my neighbors anymore. I am only sure that they are not who I thought they were.

44 posted on 11/14/2012 10:06:37 PM PST by TChad
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To: Altariel

Like Washington warned: government is only force.

Government finds it very easy to give its armed agents a pass at the use of force. As in this outrageous case, everything can be solved by force. Tasers make using that force easier so it lowers the bar and lazy police will reach for their trusty Taser rather than taking a more peaceful option that might be more work.


45 posted on 11/14/2012 10:08:04 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

Indeed; I pray we will turn back and heed President Washington’s wisdom.


46 posted on 11/14/2012 10:48:59 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

How dare someone man up and try to help out! That’s for the government to do!


47 posted on 11/14/2012 10:54:44 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Me neither, and I was born in 1970.


48 posted on 11/14/2012 11:05:07 PM PST by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: TChad

If there were any good cops there would not be any bad cops.

“Good” cops who do not arrest, charge and testify against the abuses
they witness other LEO commit are not !good cops” they are every bit
as bad as the ones who commit the crimes under color of authority.


49 posted on 11/15/2012 1:00:30 AM PST by nvscanman
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To: Altariel
That's nice work, boys!


50 posted on 11/15/2012 2:15:25 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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