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Rush IS right: The conservative base DID NOT show up for Mitt & giving amnesty will not help the GOP
11/14/2012 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 11/14/2012 8:00:54 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

Rush is right! And the GOP-e along with the Morrises, the George Wills, etc, failed in their predictions. Morris admitted he had egg on his face, but I did not see George Will admit this. Maybe he did, but I didn't see it. Are the now obsolete?

Are the Krauthammers, the O'Reillys, the Vannitys, Rollins, etc also obsolete? Is Vannity still going to continue having the same ol same ol on his show? And what about the other shows on FOX News? Are they going to continue having RINOS/CINO guests/hosts on their shows?

Mitt Romney got fewer votes than McCain did. Yes, fewer people also showed up to vote for Obama, but all RINOldus Mittnus had to do was equal the turnout that McCain received (which was a surge of conservative voters driven by Palin being on the ticket (which Ryan could not match)) and Obama would have been defeated. Even better, have a conservative on the top of the ticket, and not some RINO [Mittnus], who has a long history of supporting RINOism (which the numerous past threads here at FR have shown).

Add to that Romney having a RINO past greater than that of McLame and the Romney/Ryanticket was doomed for defeat. Romney running on a promise to rubber-stamp conservative legislation did not undo the mistrust of his past record.

And the GOP-e now thinks that what cost them the election was not reaching out to Hispanics with a message of a pathway to citizenship (amnesty to illegals)? Please.

The GOP-e will try its hardest to shift the blame elsewhere, but they just can't help putting up Ford's Doles, George "read my lips" Bushs, McLames and now RINOldus Mittnus. The GOP-e loves RINOS/CINOS.

But RINOS/CINOS lose.....


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1 posted on 11/14/2012 8:01:01 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

What say you about what Rush said a couple days ago?


2 posted on 11/14/2012 8:01:44 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Is Vannity still going to continue having the same ol same ol on his show?

"And now, to help us understand all this we go to 'The Architect', Karl Rove..."

'nuff said.

3 posted on 11/14/2012 8:06:41 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Compare the voting with 2004 ~ you'll find that McCain got less than "W". Then, you'll notice that Goober this year didn't get as many as "W" that year.

Whah?

That was my RACE TO THE BOTTOM for two unpopular candidates.

4 posted on 11/14/2012 8:07:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I do not believe that Romney got less votes than McCain. I do, however, believe that many of those votes were “lost” in the counting, particularly in the swing states.


5 posted on 11/14/2012 8:07:35 AM PST by Abby4116
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Many of us including JimRob have been pointing out this outcome. A smaller amount of us did actually abstain from voting to make it a reality.

Nice to see it recognized. Hopefully more will come on board and WE will be able to select the 2016 nominee instead of the GOP-e.


6 posted on 11/14/2012 8:08:52 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Abby4116

Last time I looked it was about the same ~


7 posted on 11/14/2012 8:09:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’ve started watching CNN about 40% of the time. I’ve lost a good bit of trust in Fox. Their credibility is way down for me.


8 posted on 11/14/2012 8:09:30 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The GOP-e will try its hardest to shift the blame elsewhere, but they just can't help putting up Ford's Doles, George "read my lips" Bushs, McLames and now RINOldus Mittnus. The GOP-e loves RINOS/CINOS.

But RINOS/CINOS lose.....

"Once upon a time, a pet food company created a new variety of dog food, and rolled out a massive marketing campaign to introduce the product.

"Despite hiring a first-rate advertising agency, initial sales were very, very disappointing. The agency was fired, and a new agency (with an expensive new campaign) was launched. Sales, however, stubbornly continued to crater. (If anything, in fact, they fell even further than they had before.)

"In desperation, the CEO called in all of his top executives for a brainstorming session to analyze what had gone wrong with the two campaigns, and how a new campaign might revive sales.

"The meeting went on for hours. Sophisticated statistical analysis was brought to bear on the problem. One VP argued that the mix of TV and print ads had been hopelessly bollixed. Another argued that the previous campaigns had been too subtle, and had failed to feature the product with sufficient prominence. Still another argued that the TV ad campaign had focused too much on spots during sporting events, and not enough on regular programming with a broader demographic. And yet another argued the exact opposite: not enough sports programming had been targeted!

"After the debate had raged for hour after fruitless hour, the CEO felt they had accomplished damned little. He asked if anyone else had any theories -- any at all -- that might conceivably explain the failure of their new product. Finally, one newly hired employee raised her hand and was recognized.

"'Maybe the dogs simply don’t like it,' she offered."

*****************

Damned shame that the highly touted brain trust of the (putatively) more "conservative" party of The Big Two doesn't even learn as well or readily as a simple dog food manufacturer, huh...?

9 posted on 11/14/2012 8:09:47 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Rush is right, the conservative base was not motivated to show up for Mittens. Once again they have chosen to teach the GOP a lesson.

The marxists are loving it.

10 posted on 11/14/2012 8:11:09 AM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Mitt Romney got fewer votes than McCain did.

This is false. He'll end up with quite a few votes more than McCain. They're still being counted.

And even based on counted votes so far, Romney got more votes in the "Bible Belt" (OK, TX, MO, AR, LA, KY, TN, MS, AL, GA, SC, NC) than McCain.

If the base didn't turn out then it would have been impossible for Romney to get more votes in the Bible Belt.

So, in sum, this is one of the dumbest, most ill-informed things Rush has ever said.

11 posted on 11/14/2012 8:11:25 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
He was right in December when he warned that the GOP would squander its base by pandering to the moderates.

Rush Goes On the Record with Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren December 15, 2011

Here's the big problem, Greta, for the Republicans. And I am a lone wolf on this. The rule of thumb in elections, both parties, 40 percent are going to vote Democrat automatically, whatever you do, 40 percent are going to vote Republican, automatic, no matter what you do. And in the middle, who do we have? The precious, God love them, independents and the moderates. And they are the targets. They are the focus of every election. And our brilliant campaign consultants tell our candidates they are the ones that know how to go get a majority of those independents. And we have, as Republicans, put ourselves in prison to this whole silly notion that you only win elections by moving to the center and getting great independents. Fine and dandy, but if you squander your base in the process, you haven't a prayer.

He was right again in March when he warned that Romney was winning primaries like a liberal. He was concentrating on urban areas that weren't going to vote for him in the general election while ignoring the rural areas he would need in the general.

Rush: Romney is winning like a liberal
12 posted on 11/14/2012 8:12:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: delapaz

i respect the right of everyone to vote or not vote, but what did we gain by electing obama? that the country is going to fall so far into a pit that we’ll never recover. i can really understand not loving romney, but i can’t understand allowing obama to completely destroy the republic. i would have voted for a warm turd if it meant electing a new president. now we’re looking at amnesty (big-a@@ mistake). we have pundits talking in 30 second anecdotal soundbites on how to fix things. i don’t know if we recover from four more years. i’m at a loss and i’m very very sad for my kids.


13 posted on 11/14/2012 8:17:14 AM PST by dreamerintexas
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To: delapaz
Nice to see it recognized. Hopefully more will come on board and WE will be able to select the 2016 nominee instead of the GOP-e.

I hope I'm wrong here. But I don't believe it will matter in 2016 how many conservative voters decide to show up or how conservative our nominee will be. We have crossed the tipping point of givers Vs. takers. In 2016 we will be trying to convince government dependents to dump the sugar daddy.

I believe there will be more than 50% of the population at least partly dependent on government subsidies. They will vote for democrats (along with the idealistic elite). Republicans will indeed have to sell the nation on reducing benefits to current beneficiaries in order to stabalize what will be a nation in fiscal chaos. This dog won't hunt today or in 2016.

We'll need a republican politician that is a conservative in a liberal's clothing that sells one thing and then goes Reagan X2 on cutting government regs and spending. We'll need a liar.

I think we missed our chance to turn this spiral around. I would like to believe otherwise and hope someone will change my outlook. But I think we have sealed our fate toward a 30 to 50 years fall from exceptionalism to mediocrity in European fashion.

14 posted on 11/14/2012 8:18:22 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I know in my case, being a Christian and true Conservative, I wrote in George Washington for president.

I would not sell my soul and vote for a gun grabbing, draft dodging, gay marriage law signing, O'Romneycare creating, liberal judge appointing cult leader. This shouldn't have surprised any of GOP elite, we told them for 5 years we wouldn't vote for Romney.

So called conservatives who voted for someone who legislated to the left of Bill Clinton feel free to blast away, my conscience is clean. I don't feel like a two dollar whore today.

Conservatives DID stay home.

15 posted on 11/14/2012 8:19:08 AM PST by SENTINEL (Election 2012....One more false prophecy by FLDS/LDS "prophet" Joseph Smith)
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To: dreamerintexas

a boycott of elections always comes back to bite you in the ass


16 posted on 11/14/2012 8:20:07 AM PST by molson209
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To: molson209

you said it better than me....gracias (since i apparently will have to learn spanish to be a good republican)


17 posted on 11/14/2012 8:22:18 AM PST by dreamerintexas
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Election Fraud caused the loss - call your governor and SoS and demand a recount.


18 posted on 11/14/2012 8:22:41 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The lesson that the GOP-e has not learned is that there is so little “middle ground” and “independents” left in the political market place, that it is not worth pissing off the base to gain a point or two. When the base is not enthusiastic, and when they don’t turn out to support RINO candidates, the cost as a percentage of the vote is far to high.

In short, a moderate GOP candidate does not gain enough independent voters to offset the loss both motivation, donations and votes from the base.


19 posted on 11/14/2012 8:24:47 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Tenacious 1

Well, as is usual, people are blissfully moving forward in this thread completely ignoring the fact that “Romney got less votes than McCain” and “the base stayed home” is a complete lie.

Based on my analysis of the votes counted and the votes outstanding, basically turnout in 2012 was the same as 2008, with a couple million votes switching from Obama to Romney. But it wasn’t enough.

To win in 2016, the Republician candidate will have to persuade about 2 million people that voted for Obama in 2008 AND 2012 to switch to them. The idea that instead the candidate can, alternatively persuade 4 million more of the “base” that didnt’ vote in 2012 because Romney was a RINO to turn out is a moronic fantasy, because

1) those people don’t exist

2) If they did exist, the overwhelming majority of them are in Southern and Plains/Mountain states that go Republican anyway, and they are thus irrelevant


20 posted on 11/14/2012 8:25:57 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Tenacious 1; dreamerintexas

We were already past the point of no return. Romney could slow it, but not stop it.

So this election was not about turning it around, but managing the crash. Our priorities should be about making sure the crash gets blamed on liberals and liberal policies, and on disciplining the GOP.


21 posted on 11/14/2012 8:27:32 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Strategerist
and they are thus irrelevant

"I'm Chris Christie, and I approve this message."

22 posted on 11/14/2012 8:29:47 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Unless the person in question has 100 million dollars and likes to donate to political campaigns, what, exactly would be accomplished by catering to the whims of a “True Conservative” in, say, Oklahoma, that didn’t vote for McCain or Romney because they were RINOs?


23 posted on 11/14/2012 8:32:44 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If you’re not going to show up, then you’re not going to be there to take a seat at the table. Tough toenails.


24 posted on 11/14/2012 8:33:44 AM PST by Cousin Eddie
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To: Strategerist

1. I exist, so your first point is wrong.

2. I live in OH.

And anecdotally, I know I’m not the only one. I live in a red hotbed county and I’m telling you the energy was much less than it was in 2004 and 2008.

Now will you listen, or will you hold on to your theories?


25 posted on 11/14/2012 8:40:19 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Akin lost MO by 15%, whereas Romney won it by 10%. I hate to say it, but I think - in conjunction with Mourdock’s and Akin’s gaffes - not having a rape or incest exception in the GOP abortion plank was what cost us the election. While we had it in prior elections, nobody paid much attention to it. Until 2012, when Akin and Mourdock finally put the plank up in neon lights. While everyone’s talking about immigration, I think the lack of a rape or incest exception may have elicited a much more visceral response from women voters.


26 posted on 11/14/2012 8:41:43 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Up next on PPV: Cat fight between Limbaugh and Hannity.


27 posted on 11/14/2012 8:41:58 AM PST by ShadowDancer ("Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.")
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To: delapaz
Our priorities should be about making sure the crash gets blamed on liberals and liberal policies, and on disciplining the GOP.

I agree with your comment. The problem is, the real crash (Greece style) is likely still 30 to 50 years out. We'll put bandaids on it and print money while our credit rating continues to plummet for some time to "try and save our country."

Proof of that will be this congressional compromise that is comming and will supposedly stops us from going over the fiscal cliff.

We are going to play another 4 years of defense at least. Then we may get a chance to plug some holes and shore things up in 2016 for a few years. It will only prolong the inevitable unless by some miracle, people on welfare, retirees, etc. stop getting benefits and turn to conservatism/republicans.

Yea. I don't believe in unicorns either.

28 posted on 11/14/2012 8:45:37 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Strategerist
No, no, you've absolutely convinced me.

Seriously. I mean it. Solemn pinky swear.

It's simply a straightforward, logistical matter of making those stinking, worthless dogs eat the @#$%ing dog food we deign to jam down their ungrateful neck holes, is all.

I'll just sit here, in this nice shady spot, and watch. You've obviously got this whole thing covered.

JEB BUSH 2016: "... Because Hillary Can't Win This Thing All By Herself, You Know."

29 posted on 11/14/2012 8:46:37 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Strategerist

Not to mention the fact that Republicans won the house by a good margin. People here delude themselves. The fact is that the democrats have put together a machine in the last 25 years that turns out very large percentages of democrat voters in urban environments and they provide large numbers for the left. If anybody thinks that LBJ’s Great Society doesn’t have a present day effect on National Elections they’re retarded.


30 posted on 11/14/2012 8:51:25 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Tenacious 1

Ideally you’re right, but I’m not going to bet on it. I think that Medical and pension costs for the baby boomers will kill us in five years.

This fact will be apparent to everyone in less than five years. I mean it’s apparent to us (you and me and many others) now and that consciousness will keep growing.

And that’s when the freakout->crash->more freakouts->further crash cycle starts getting real.

In other words, the anticipation of the crash causes the crash. Why do you think the government is so hepped on lying to us about the current state? And government lying is definitely a bipartisan affair.


31 posted on 11/14/2012 8:52:29 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Strategerist

Out of about 20 of my close political friends, I know 3 that refused to vote for Romney: 2 Ron Paul supporters and one die-hard ‘no lessor of two evils’ type.

Point is, we - as a party - told the Paulites to go to hell. We can’t blame them for saying, in effect, “You first.”

I have no doubt this includes enough voters to close the gap. In my neck of Texas, about a third of the Tea Party were Paulite. By shutting them down, we shut out the Tea Party influence this cycle. I’m not a Paulite, but telling a few million voters to take a hike seems to have been short-sighted.

This is especially true since Paul seemed to kin some with Romney in the primaries. Not having Paul and Palin on the campaign trail, actively appealing to the respective bases, was a blown opportunity.

This is what happens when you let consultants that hold grudges make decisions for you.


32 posted on 11/14/2012 8:54:48 AM PST by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: delapaz
1. I exist, so your first point is wrong.

I think that ought to be the "theme" of Mittens' inaugural ball, come this January in DC: "THOSE PEOPLE DON'T EXIST -- !!!"

Also: I think Willy Wonka ought to be there, to hand out free gobstoppers to all the gowned and tuxedoed guests as they arrive. ;)

33 posted on 11/14/2012 8:55:28 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: ziravan

I have been attacked endlessly for this view point.

Some of these people are still in denial. For the GOP to win - we need the ron paul people, the tea party people, the palin supporters, the libertarian minded people etc.


34 posted on 11/14/2012 8:57:23 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Cousin Eddie

We have to concentrate on the mid-term and take the Senate. Then we have the chance to roll back onerous regs, liberty-stifling edicts, Obamacare, and exploit America’s true energy resources. If we show the public for two years that this works and things start to turn around, then we can worry about 2016. We can’t do a blessed thing without the Senate.


35 posted on 11/14/2012 8:57:28 AM PST by CTOCS (I live in my own little world. But, it's okay. They know me there....)
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To: oldbrowser
My conclusion as well. Some people decided that it was better, through their inaction, to allow the election of a baby butcher who hates America than to vote for a Mormon.

Congratulations.

36 posted on 11/14/2012 8:59:54 AM PST by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: ziravan

This is a good point.

I was mystified in the primaries that Ron Paul was somehow an “unacceptable” candidate while Mitt Romney was OK?!?!

I guess electability counts for something.

Except Mitt couldn’t get elected. Oops.


37 posted on 11/14/2012 9:01:27 AM PST by delapaz
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To: delapaz
I guess electability counts for something.

Whenever you hear any representative of the GOP-e fart or wheeze the word "electability"... what they really mean is: "Someone acceptable to Rachel Maddow."

38 posted on 11/14/2012 9:04:15 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Tenacious 1

i’ve lost credibility in all pundits and talk back radio. i feel as betrayed by them as by those who voted for obama and those who abstained from voting for romney so they could feel good about themselves.


39 posted on 11/14/2012 9:30:50 AM PST by bravo whiskey
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To: bravo whiskey

Feeling good about yourself is way better than feeling suckered by the pundits and “conservatives” who told you to sell out for Romney.

Join us next time.


40 posted on 11/14/2012 9:42:18 AM PST by delapaz
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama is what you get when you don’t vote enjoy it for the rest of your life.


41 posted on 11/14/2012 9:45:25 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: GlockThe Vote

The Romney people purposefully iced out Ron Paul and Sarah Palin to make a point: we can win and govern without their influence.

Except. They can’t.

This is the lesson the GOP-e must learn if it wants to win. Coalition-building doesn’t mean reaching across the aisle (their preferred takeaway message from the election); it means not brushing off the constituencies that hold residence on OUR side of the aisle.

Hint: the next establishment puke that disdains our base isn’t going to win, either. Yes, Jeb, I’m talking about you.


42 posted on 11/14/2012 10:34:27 AM PST by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: delapaz

Obama won because he made a concerted effort to appeal to every portion of his base.

We tell our base to go to hell and then scratch our heads at the result.


43 posted on 11/14/2012 10:54:08 AM PST by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
.... the mistrust of his past record.

There it is for all the RINO/CINO's to see. Their pig-in-a-poke lackey was a known commodity. A persons past is usually a very good indicator of just what to expect in the future as in a leopard can't change his spots. In essence, once a liberal always a liberal.



۞ "Since the bygone days of Ronald Reagan the present day Republican Party has taken on the appearance and all the demeanor of the corrupted liberal Democrat Party and has now become the party of appeasers, apologists, liberalism and an ever bigger government with all of the welfare largesse that emanates from it."

44 posted on 11/14/2012 11:17:19 AM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - birds of a feather that are now flocking together.)
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To: oldbrowser
.... Once again they have chosen to teach the GOP a lesson.

A very good example of one NOT getting it. As a typical SC I was not interested in trying teach anyone anything by refusing to vote for the RINO. Just give me/us someone we don't have to hold our noses for and feel as if we need to be deloused after pulling the lever for. We SC's were being told to do all the compromising (as usual). What compromising did the RINOs do? Hmmmmm?!

45 posted on 11/14/2012 11:27:57 AM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - birds of a feather that are now flocking together.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the purest conservative of all? All who did not vote or voted third party are spoiled little children who in their tantrum, gave our country to the enemy. You purists are our enemy ever bit as much as the Dems.


46 posted on 11/14/2012 11:31:38 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!)
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To: SENTINEL

Thank you. Your comments reflect my views exactly. Bless you.


47 posted on 11/14/2012 11:33:09 AM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - birds of a feather that are now flocking together.)
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To: taxcontrol
.... In short, a moderate GOP candidate does not gain enough independent voters to offset the loss both motivation, donations and votes from the base.

Put it another way that goes something like this, social or Christian Conservatives may not be able to get a candidate elected all by themselves but a Republican candidate cannot get elected without their committed support. The record speaks for itself.

48 posted on 11/14/2012 11:37:59 AM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - birds of a feather that are now flocking together.)
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To: ShadowDancer
Up next on PPV: Cat fight between Limbaugh and Hannity.

Sean Vanity is the outclassed lightweight here. End of story. LOL.

49 posted on 11/14/2012 11:44:26 AM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - birds of a feather that are now flocking together.)
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To: delapaz
.... Except Mitt couldn’t get elected. Oops.


50 posted on 11/14/2012 11:49:13 AM PST by Ron H. (Democrats and Republicans - birds of a feather that are now flocking together.)
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