Skip to comments.Bring back US jobs. From China and from elsewhere. Now.
Posted on 11/11/2012 8:40:25 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
We are currently caught in a national debate which in my opinion misses the very (most) important aspect.
We are currently debating between conservatives, and liberals.
Conservatives are determined to maximise profits.
Liberals are determined to maximise unions.
Both of those are wrong goals. What we need as a nation, are maximum profits which benefit America.
America is what is not looked at.
We used to be the biggest employer, now it is China.
Our computers and electronics industry used to be biggest, now it is China.
With industry after industry, our industries are taken over by China. Now we are running huge deficits against China and those are growing every day.
We need a change.
We need an America-first policy.
what you said
Wong, Conservatives are determined to maximize liberty.
Rescuing jobs from China (or anywhere else) will only give credence to Marxist Rat policy overall.
Americans must get the government they deserve.
While Ubama reelection is disheartening and will no doubt lead to MORE outsourcing, America still has an acceptable manufacturing industry.
I can guarantee Gun Manufacturers are not planning layoffs soon (baring Ubama tossing the 2nd amendment in the dumpster)
I am a conservative, and I believe in free markets, but I have to agree with you that we have got to find a way to increase the number of good private sector jobs. I don’t have a miracle answer, but I do agree with you that providing good paying private sector jobs may be the key to Republican victories and a better America. The Republicans need to get their smart people on this.
The Obama regime continues to add more punitive taxation and regulations to U.S. businesses. To whom are you directing your whine?
Protectionism isn’t the answer. Free trade enhances competition and drives prices down. You’re advocating a lower standard of living for Americans, and empowerment of a regulated economy.
I have listened to this for long enough.
It is time for conservatives to do what is right for America.
I had hoped Romney could lead this, but he lost.
That does not mean we quit. We redouble our efforts and we fight on behalf of America.
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Here’s the sad reality, why would I want to create an American job?
If it costs you $60,000 to fill a $36,000 job what’s the point?
I’ve looked at a startup possibility and frankly it’s in my best interest to just hire some key American personnel and outsource all technical jobs overseas. I’m not interested in creating jobs, I’m interested in making money to support myself and my family.
A rational full-employment policy would involve:
1) a free market in labor, so that wage rates can be adjusted to correspond with the state of the demand for labor and thus make any given monetary demand for labor - any given amount of payroll spending - sufficient to provide full employment.
2) a 100% reserve gold standard, so that no financial contraction need ever occur and thus no precipitation even of temporary mass unemployment.
This policy would guarantee full employment in a context of the highest possible productivity of labor and would operate to the benefit of everyone.
50% of the voting public is a bunch of worthless communist liberal dirtbags. They deserve NOTHING! They are not Americans, they’re freeloaders.
As a business owner, my primary goals, in order,are to service my customers and MAXIMIZE profits.
How I conduct my business is none of the governments concern.
The only sound money candidate to run last election was not chosen by the GOP.
Sound money would enforce a balance of trade because imbalanced flows would result in price increases that could not be met, allowing the market’s price mechanism to direct production and trade in accordance with the underlying realities of supply and demand.
So long as we can print money in exchange for Chinese (or anywhere else) produced goods, we’ll do it, even as it hollows out our industries.
“Paper money has had the effect in your state that it will ever have, to ruin commerce, oppress the honest, and open the door to every species of fraud and injustice.” - George Washington — in a letter to Jabez Bowen, Rhode Island, Jan. 9, 1787
You’re willing to give up the liberty of some to trade abroad for the security of those who make things more expensively here.
I agree on one condition, get rid of unions first.
See this is where I disagree.
Internally how your business operates is none of my business. I grant you that - enthusiastically.
Globally however is a different story. Globally everything you do can be the government’s business.
Come to America - we have it all:
Bureaucrats and politicians who hate you.
Yes please, move to America. :)
Yes, economic liberty. Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness started out as Life, Liberty and Property. This is all about economic freedom. Thinking of which, I’m going to re-read my book on the constitutional convention, particularly the part debating that phrase. It’s important for all Americans to understand that “happiness” is about our ability to thrive financially, not legalized marijuana, etc.
It seems strange that Nissan, Toyota, Kia, Volkswagon, BMW, Mercedes and probably Honda too, have all built plants in the right to work states. AL, TN, SC, and ?. But to hear the blue states, we are all scum and we take more from federal tax dollars than we pay in. But this should be changing. One would think. It does indeed take time to change from an agriculture based economy on the “southern states” to a mfg. based economy. Wages at these places are good/decent, benefits, they aren’t strangled by the unions. Our property taxes are relatively low, our state income taxes are relatively low, when compared to places like NJ and MA and others. But yet we’re still redneck scum in their eyes.
Oh goody. Another Fascist shows his true stripes. I love when faux conservatives unmask themselves.
Between the increased cost and regulatory burden and the possibility of forced unionization, asking US companies to bring their factories back here may be tantamount to asking the to put a gun to their head.
Are you crazy. The best thing businesses can do is get the hell out of this Country. Most business cannot survive in this communists climate of tax and regulating them out of normal profits to keep their business running.
Unfortunately now more and more big business is in bed with the government.
The way to get businesses back to the US is by creating a business-friendly climate of minimum regulation, low tax rates ( which actually result in increased revenue), tort reform, and enforcing international trade agreements.
Wouldn’t be surprise did they (government) try the “if you build it they will come” mentality. I can see them try to build facilities that don’t quite meet end user spec. Just like the “we can educate our way out of this”. No, grads move to states/countries with jobs. Likewise, they’ll move/leave their factories to better environs.
We aren’t in any national debate. Obama runs things and really soon there will be even more regulations and expenses for a company to operate. Obama created 7000 new regs to take effect.
What you will see is a decline in American business. Small ones will go away and the big ones will locate in more favorable places.
We won’t do anything about China because they own our debt.
They will be hurt the poorer we become. We won’t be buying as much.
So, that really sets up a very dangerous conclusion.
I know you mean well, but it is naive to think that Obama is going to do what you want, NOW
Its important for all Americans to understand that happiness is about our ability to thrive financially, not legalized marijuana, etc.
And we are supposed to be guaranteed the right to PERSUE happiness, not the "right" to have it handed to us for free at the expense of the "evil" rich guy.
Boy, you know how to parrot that schitck perfectly.
With a median household income that has been actually declining over the last 10+ years. there’s been not only no increasing standard of living for Americans under the current “free trade” pablum, the standard of living is going down.
Trade with the PRC isn’t “free trade.” They pillage our intellectual property, use currency arbitrage to maintain their trade advantage and flout product standards. This isn’t “free trade.”
Do you really want a low-tech soldering job? What the we need to do is get the USA back to number #1 in the world in mathematics and hard science.
We can do a (lot) about China and nobody dares mention it.
China sells only. China does not buy.
I say reverse that. Stop buying and stop importing from China. Just stop.
End it all, then give China an opportunity to start over.
What we are doing now will destroy America.
And not too long from now.
Sieg Heil, mein Fuhrer , can I have a job building the wall around the USSA?
“We need an America-first policy.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you wrote, but...
It just ain’t gonna happen.
Remember when guys like Perot and Pat Buchanan spoke out against it?
Remember when they were called troglodytes and worse by the majority of “conservatives” who supported the notion of “free trade”?
Especially here on FR?
Remember all these things? I do.
Two quotes for you:
“Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.”
“We can evade reality. What we cannot evade are the consequences of evading reality.”
By de-industrializing America, those in power evaded the reality that a nation that no longer makes things, but only consumes, will not long sustain itself. We are seeing the consequences of their “evasion” now.
But the reality (that is what it is) is that the chances of reversing this now are all-but impossible. Certainly, politically impossible, given the “new voter realities” that we saw revealed last Tuesday...
I wish things things weren’t so.
But wishing won’t change them.
I am bold enough to look at reality in its face.
And that’s what I see...
Effort to change the subject noted.
Great post. The deluded will continue to claim the GOP lost because of some fraud. Others spin that we are a handout nation. Screw that - people want work. Look at what you buy, see where it is made and you will see why we have unemployment.
For that, the voters did not blame Obama but blamed the fleece traders who robbed Americans of jobs for their own money gains. Restore American manufacturing and restore America and bring back the Help Desk while we are at it.
“Unfortunately now more and more big business is in bed with the government.”
Paging Wesley Mouch, please pick up the nearest courtesy phone! :)
Not one little bit.
The kind of companies that use a lot of labor are going overseas simply because the government has made it the government's business every little detail of how manufacturers operate.
From where they can drill for oil, how they hire and fire, how they paint yellow lines on their factory floor, how they construct their power plants, what they use for fuel, and the worst of all: obumblercare.
Add to that the outrageous rules as to how vehicles will be built, how much fuel they use, where timber can be cut, how rain water is to run down the gutters, on and on and on.
And then we have a tax problem.
The Chinese are not stealing our manufacturing. The US government has run them to China, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, etc.
The rinos have been as guilty as the libs because they fell for the compassionate conservative crap.
The idea that the government can cure the problem is absolutely insane.
Just look at social security. Absolutely the most mismanaged and at the same time the easiest of all government operations to run.
SS is nothing more than an annuity. Handled as any major insurance company or trust fund would have, it would be loaded with cash.
But the district of corruption stole the money and now are forced to operate on daily receipts.
The Post Office is another shining example of the ability of government to run a business.
The most junior second rate VP at FedEx could take over the post office and turn it into a profit center.
But the economics illiterates in congress would never allow anyone to make the needed changes.
Get rid of the Marxists in the EPA and other similar agencies and industry would rush back to the US.
Exactly. If you can acquire enough expensive material goods, it will make you completely forget about the stormtrooper's boot on your neck.
You think China is just going to sit back and take that? Do you want them to call in our debt?
America is so damn rich, we will say. Heres the money including interest, now go away. Right?
They already own a huge portion of America, like land and stuff.
This is the danger of having a broke and broken country.
Jobs are moving overseas for a reason - high taxes here, legal liability here, crushing legal requirements here. Unless you fix those - and we are not- no jobs are coming back.
If the government doesn’t protect intellectual property rights, that’s a problem on our end of the pond. Companies also need to be aware of industrial espionage as well as governments. Aka don’t rely on the government. People in new jersey are figuring this out now.
With declining incomes, less expensive imports retain standard of living.
You’re looking to solve a government caused problem with more government.
I’ll let others decide what to do in that case.
China does (not) own dollars. Divested them about a year ago.
Stop importing from China.
It really hurts me to say that. I was a very, very strong free trader for a long time. Since the very beginning with China.
What I see is a complete loss of all rationality.
Our policy with China is no policy. Complete random sell-out.
We must change that.
What happened this last election will destroy America. I say let it burn. The true patroits will be around to clean the ashes from our Constitutional foundation and rebuild. The only way to fix it is to let it burn. The infestation has become to great.
Did you forget there was an election last week? Obama says he wants the jobs here. Problem is, he only wants them for jobs and no profit.
Who the hell wants, or can afford to do that?
They threw life and liberty in that sentence too.
The government that caused the problem was ours - by deciding that trading with communists was a suave move.
It isn’t. The only good communist is a dead communist.
So what’s the beef with retaliating against the ChiCom’s? The number of supposed “conservatives” who are sticking up for the ability of the communists to flood our markets with their crap to finance their military expansion is rather ironic.
What you want more of you subsidize, what you want less of you tax.
No. There is much more than that.
America has been expensive, which was probably the reason nobody stopped to build in equal-treatment language in all the “free trade” pacts with the world.
Who needs “free trade” when the goal is simply to get out of high-cost America.
That is what is wrong. We have no equal treatment. Especially in China where we don’t actually own anything.
What we are building in China is (exceedingly) dangerous.
We need to equalize trade, or abandon it.
I’m with ya all the way but not bloody likely under this administration. Still, preach it high.
I agree with your view on communism. Trading, with them subsidizing their own industries, will lead them to collapse because it adds inefficiency (any time a middle man is involved) to the system. That is unless we’re dumber than they are with our own finances.
Any country could have taken the place of china in this scenario. All it takes is a country looking further ahead and willing to subsidize industry while lending money to their host. The key part here is to not take the debt. It is a low intensity war that we are going to lose if we keep on the path we’re on. We gotta stop signing the convenience checks. Debt is a control device. Why else would government taking over all the lending in the country?
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