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States Can Shut Down ObamaCare's Big Spending Plans (CATO)
CATO ^ | 08/01/2012 | Michael F. Cannon

Posted on 11/10/2012 8:24:54 PM PST by Kolath

Contrary to popular myth, states are under no obligation to expand Medicaid or create a health insurance exchange, and they should refuse to do either. That from Michael F. Cannon, director of health policy studies at the Cato Institute. He argues that the costs to the private sector will be significant if states agree to create exchanges.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 2012; cato; obamacare; obamacarestates; socializedmedicine; statesobamacare; statesrights
To date, 14 states have said "NO" to the exchanges. 13 states have said "yes".
1 posted on 11/10/2012 8:25:00 PM PST by Kolath
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To: Kolath

States must stand together to REJECT Obamacare. What is Alaska doing about this?


2 posted on 11/10/2012 8:26:10 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Kolath

Until the SCOTUS says they cannot and then these states will cave


3 posted on 11/10/2012 8:27:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath

I think Texas is one of the states that have said “NO” to the exchanges. I’m not 100% certain, as it’s been a while since that would’ve happened.


4 posted on 11/10/2012 8:27:43 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping.


5 posted on 11/10/2012 8:27:51 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Kolath

I will be on the phone Monday morning to my TX state rep and senator to ask them to not set up any exchange. And to let them know I will remember it in the next election if they even discuss raising taxes in order to implement Obamacare.


6 posted on 11/10/2012 8:31:41 PM PST by mtrott
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To: GeronL

I thought that was what Robert’s ruling was about...that it’s a tax, and he reaffirmed the states right to not be forced to participate.


7 posted on 11/10/2012 8:32:52 PM PST by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: PhiloBedo

You really expect the Obama admin will respect that, do you?


8 posted on 11/10/2012 8:36:11 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Kolath
To date, 14 states have said "NO" to the exchanges. 13 states have said "yes".

Do you know which ones?

9 posted on 11/10/2012 8:38:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: Kolath
To date, 14 states have said "NO" to the exchanges. 13 states have said "yes".

Do you know which ones?

10 posted on 11/10/2012 8:38:16 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: maine-iac7

Alabama had legislation on our ballots to vote on it - Alabama won 59-41.

don’t know about other states.


11 posted on 11/10/2012 8:42:49 PM PST by imemyself
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To: Kolath

Most commentators disagree with this speaker’s conclusions. They confidently assert that if a state chooses to not have an exchange, that there will instead be a federally operated exchange in that state. This view from Cato is clearly a minority interpretation of the law and regulation.


12 posted on 11/10/2012 8:46:20 PM PST by JustTheTruth
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To: maine-iac7

This might help.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/moot-point-voters-reject-obamacare/


13 posted on 11/10/2012 8:52:21 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: JustTheTruth

CATO is wrong. They are just looking for donations from the base. Reminds me of those two GOPe hacks Kemp & Bennett who created a “think-tank” & then went trolling for cash. I must have got 50 mailers in one year. I never sent them a dime, and if I did it most likey would have gone to William Bennett’s gambling addiction in Vegas.


14 posted on 11/10/2012 8:56:25 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Kolath
Here's a related article in National Review, The States Resist Obamacare.
15 posted on 11/10/2012 8:57:04 PM PST by TChad
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To: JustTheTruth

The federal government doesn’t have the money to set up the exchanges without an appropriation from Congress. And regardless, it is far better to have a federally operated exchange for the reasons given. The worst thing would be to have state operated exchanges.


16 posted on 11/10/2012 9:01:28 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

It’s settled law. Just ask the R Speaker of the House. They will get the money.


17 posted on 11/10/2012 9:05:12 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: Kolath

MOst of my family live in Maine, Texas and Florida - all 3 governors have said ‘not going to participate’ in ‘bummerCare.

Let it stay so...


18 posted on 11/10/2012 9:15:03 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: maine-iac7

Ohio voters enacted a Constitutional Amendment:

“No federal, state, or local law or rule shall compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer, or health care provider to participate in a health care system.”

It passed overwhelmingly. They do not enjoy the consent of the governed here. That damned 10th Amendment can be a sucker punch.


19 posted on 11/10/2012 9:20:19 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Bshaw

bttt


20 posted on 11/10/2012 9:23:34 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: Kolath

I live in Texas, Rick Perry has made it clear he will implement no part of Obama Care. Thank God!


21 posted on 11/10/2012 9:35:26 PM PST by jjguzzardo
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To: LongWayHome

He might be playing politics.

Nothing is as it seems the political world.


22 posted on 11/10/2012 9:38:41 PM PST by berdie
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To: Bshaw

How is that we Ohians voted to opt out of Obama’s health care mandate in all 88 counties and then turn around and re-elect him just a year later?


23 posted on 11/10/2012 9:44:37 PM PST by Gorilla44
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To: GeronL

You should do your homework BEFORE you post.
SCOTUS has already ruled on this point.
The STATES won!


24 posted on 11/10/2012 9:49:17 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Gorilla44

“How is that we Ohians voted to opt out of Obama’s health care mandate in all 88 counties and then turn around and re-elect him just a year later?”

Massive voter fraud. I’m in Cleveland, you know, where more than a dozen precincts elected Obama by 100% of the vote.

Bwaaahhahahahhah. No way!

He was not elected, he community organized his rear end back into another 4 years.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 9:51:14 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: JustTheTruth

There is no “there” there.
There is no funding vehicle for the “Federal Exchange” and the House will not provide funds for such.


26 posted on 11/10/2012 9:51:46 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Viennacon
What is Alaska doing about this? I'd like to know that, too. Check with our legislator's office?
27 posted on 11/10/2012 10:19:31 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: Kolath

Even if the state refuses to set up an exchange are’nt we as individuals still required to provide proof of coverage to, or else be hounded by the Amerikan Gestapo(IRS) under the guise that it is a tax not a penalty?


28 posted on 11/10/2012 10:43:40 PM PST by DaiHuy (One Big Assed Mistake America)
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To: Jane Long

OH has also said No.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 11:48:40 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Gorilla44

Maybe they thought since we voted not to participate in obamacare, that would exempt us. There was major fraud in OH as well as some very powerful unions. I’m thinking of moving to a red state, which Ohio used to be. We vote R in state elections, but the past 2 presidential elections have gone blue. It makes me sick!


30 posted on 11/10/2012 11:51:37 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Kolath
To date, 14 states have said "NO" to the exchanges. 13 states have said "yes".

Would you please list the states for us ?

31 posted on 11/10/2012 11:52:28 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Kansas58
and the House will not provide funds for such.

Since we have no budget, what would stop Obama from setting them up anyway? It appears to me all the federal spending right now is from one giant slush fund.

32 posted on 11/11/2012 5:49:17 AM PST by radioone
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To: Catsrus

You can move to Oklahoma, we are as Red as it gets.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 5:50:48 AM PST by amigatec (The only change you will see in the next four years will be what's in your pocket.)
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To: JustTheTruth
They confidently assert that if a state chooses to not have an exchange, that there will instead be a federally operated exchange in that state.

Will the net effect of that then be to force the deficit spending that's going to result to the federal government, driving up the federal deficit and protecting the state from bankruptcy?

34 posted on 11/11/2012 6:02:46 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: radioone

It’s really going to come to a head if a number of states refuse to set up exchanges and the federal govt. has to set up the exchanges. The states who ARE setting up exchanges will scream bloody murder when that happens.

Kind of a good thing, because it will illustrate and raise awareness that we actually do have a 10th amendment to the constitution.


35 posted on 11/11/2012 6:32:28 AM PST by mtrott
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To: Kolath
Fine but the Feds can still steal our personal income and make the citizens pay
unless the congress does something about it. So we'll pay no matter what states do.

Maybe somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, or partially wrong here.

36 posted on 11/11/2012 6:49:20 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: All

From CATO:

Of course, if states refuse to set up an exchange, Obamacare gives the federal government the authority to step in and operate an exchange itself in those states. But there is reason to doubt that the federal government has either the ability or the money to do so. Congress has not appropriated any funding for this purpose and seems unlikely to do so.

More important, as my colleague Michael Cannon has discovered, a little-discussed provision of Obamacare makes federal subsidies for insurance available only through those exchanges that the states set up themselves. So, while the federal government does have the power to create exchanges in states that refuse to do so, it cannot offer subsidies through those federally run exchanges.

Moreover, it is those subsidies that actually trigger the penalty under Obamacare for employers who fail to provide workers with insurance. Obamacare requires employers with 50 or more workers to provide health insurance or pay a tax, but only if at least one employee qualifies for subsidies under the exchange. Therefore, if subsidies can be provided only through a state-authorized exchange, a state could potentially block the employer mandate altogether, simply by refusing to establish an exchange.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 1:45:04 PM PST by Kolath
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