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Question on rifle purchase preferences 3030 vs 3006

Posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:03 PM PST by reed13k

Just a quick question on positive and negatives of each 30-06 vs 30-30. My understanding is there is only a slight difference in range, but what all the other potential factors? Your thoughts as I dig into the details in the books, mags, and websites.


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1 posted on 11/09/2012 5:14:06 PM PST by reed13k
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To: reed13k

Huge difference in range, power, and accuracy potential. 30/06 is far superior to 30/30 in al regards.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:30 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: reed13k

been eying a Marlin 30-30 for some time now.

Can’t give a good reaon why. Just want it.

Will probably go with a lever action 44 mag instead, since they are handgun legal to hunt with here. Don’t hunt anymore, but might have to out of necessity by 2016


3 posted on 11/09/2012 5:17:38 PM PST by digger48
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To: reed13k

.30-30 is a blunt-nosed round designed for lever action rifles. .30-06 is a pointy-nosed round designed for bolt-actions with stacked magazines.

So, if you have a preference in rifle type, that may make your decision for you.

The aerodymanics of the .30-06 are better and more stable at long ranges.


4 posted on 11/09/2012 5:18:50 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: reed13k

Here is everything you need to know thanks to a quick google search complete with links to reputable authors articles.

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=66310

Firearms are like cars.... you will get lots of answers depending on who you ask. Good luck.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 5:19:51 PM PST by volunbeer (We must embrace austerity or austerity will embrace us)
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To: RC one

Exactly.

The real good thing about the 30-30 is the nice handy lever action carbines chambered for it.

The 30-06 in a good bolt action is one of the all time great cartridges. It can, depending on the individual rifle, be very accurate and is effective to at least 600 yards. It will kill at far greater range than that.


6 posted on 11/09/2012 5:20:40 PM PST by yarddog
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To: digger48

The 30-06 caliber is lot more versatile and has a larger selection of rifles available.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 5:21:10 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: reed13k

Get military calibers.

30-’06 used to be, but .308 WIN/7.62 NATO will be easier to scavenge. .223/5.56 should be available as well.

.30-30? In hard times you couldn’t even kill to get those...


8 posted on 11/09/2012 5:21:44 PM PST by null and void (The One can steal an election, but no one can steal our country.)
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To: reed13k
30/30

.30/06


9 posted on 11/09/2012 5:23:30 PM PST by stormer
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To: reed13k
"My understanding is there is only a slight difference in range..."

Your understanding is a misunderstanding :-)

The two rounds are quite different, although both exceptional in their own rights.

The .30-30 started life in the blackpowder era, and was an exceptional round compared to its contemporaries. The .30-06 was part of the first generation of smokeless powder, spitzer bulleted military rounds that came into being in the very latest days of the 19th, and early 20th century, and were baptized by fire in WWI.

If they were airplanes, a good analogy might be the P-51 Mustang, perhaps the apex of propeller driven fighter aircraft, and the F-86, an exceptional specimen of an entirely new breed.

Both rounds remain very, very popular as they fill their own niches better than perhaps any others.

The .30-30 used to be somewhat limited by the weapons it was developed for: lever actions with tubular magazines. Because of the magazine layout, it was limited to flat nose bullets which have inherently poorer ballistics. In recent years some manufacturers have began offering poly-tipped bullets that allow for a much better ballistic coefficient and have improved the performance somewhat. The .30-30 has a much smaller case volume so, all other things being equal, the .30-06 will allow for higher velocities, heavier bullets and longer range.

The .30-30 has less inherent recoil and is better suited to brush guns and shorter barreled carbines, and would probably be more suitable to a particularly recoil sensitive shooter.

The .30-06 will typically be chambered in heavier rifles, but allow for much longer range shots due to its flatter trajectory. could go on at length but those would be the major differences.

10 posted on 11/09/2012 5:26:56 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: reed13k

Depends on what type of terrain you plan to hunt in.

30/30 for brush/wooded country. Go with the Marlin 336. A few ounces heavier than Winchester 94’s, but made better, IMO.

30/06 is best for long range open hunting. Way better ballistics than 30/30.


11 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:06 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: reed13k

All depends on how far out you need to take out the trash from, if you know what I mean.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 5:27:10 PM PST by Bullish (The stench from this amateur regime stinks all the way to Kenya.)
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To: reed13k

If you are left handed like me, you might want to go with the Browning BLR lever-action rifle, it is, or at least as far as I know is, available in 30-06.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 5:30:32 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: reed13k

Unless you have a love of Lever guns there is little reason to use a 30-30

+s for 30-30
Works in Lever guns

Ammo is easy to acquire

Range medium (200 yards or so with most lever guns)

-s for 30-30

Few actions other than lever or break open

Rimmed (this is not an issue in lever but can be if it was a box mag)

RN (round nose) bullets dominate as most are tube fed a pointed bullet is not a good idea (hornady does make one special)

Few variations on loading (bullet shape / weight / power)

+s for 30-06

Actions of every type Bolt, Break open and Semi auto

Rimless - better feeding from box mags\
Ammo is ubiquitous in many more loadings than 30-30

Spitzer Bullet in Hollow Point, Soft Point and FMJ

Medium to Long Range (600 yards)

Bolt Guns are far easier to scope than a Lever * no mater what caliber

- 30-06

More recoil

Few loading for a lever gun

Longer action than newer center fire cartridges


There are many other cartridges to choose from but for easy of ammo in .30 you really have picked 2 of the best the other is .308 Win which is really little more than a 12mm shorter 30-06


14 posted on 11/09/2012 5:30:41 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: reed13k

Now that’s what I love about FR the quick facts right at everyone’s fingertips. I do tend to prefer a bolt over lever (though I always wanted to do the rifleman thing from tv as a kid). I was leaning toward the 30-06 but hadn’t realized there was an accuracy delta. First info I was looking at just had max ranges as similar.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 5:30:53 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: reed13k

Echoing what has already been said.

You can’t really compare the two, as they have characteristics that make them suitable for different applications.

30-30 is a lever-action brush gun.
30-06 is for longer shots in open range.

Get both.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 5:32:42 PM PST by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: riverrunner

Was also looking at maybe a Remington 770.

About the same price. $400 +/-

Don’t want to shoot to the next road. Just down the road, if necessary.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 5:34:11 PM PST by digger48
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To: reed13k

If you want a Levergun I suggest a Marlin .308 Marlin Express. It might be described as a 30-30 on steroids. Gives you near .308 Winchester ballistics, which I would go with instead of 30-06 if I was going with a bolt gun since it is a short action. With modern powders it is equal to a 30-06.

My primary deer rifle now is a .308 Marlin Express and with the gummy tip bullets it has excellent ballistics and mine is capable of groups of about 3/4 inch or smaller at 100 yds. I just have a thing about leverguns. Guess it, comes from growing up watching John Wayne movies and they give quicker follow up shots than a bolt gun.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 5:34:51 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: reed13k

30-30 lever guns with open sights are my favorite, but then I mostly hunt with a longbow. With the new leverevolution ammo from hornady you can get good accuracy out to a few hundred yards.

However, if you want a long range scoped rifle, 30-06 is better.

I aslo agree you should consider .308.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 5:35:08 PM PST by Chameleon
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To: yarddog

I learned to shoot with a bolt action 30/06. that was the cartridge I learned to reload on too. It’s a great round easily capable of sub MOA accuracy and very capable of making 1,000 meter shots in a quality rifle. there is an abundance of ammo available for it too. Plus, you can get an inexpensive device that fits in your chamber that will allow you to shoot .308 out of a 30/06 so it’s versatile. On top of that, the 30/06 uses the same projectiles as the .308 so, in a pinch, you could pull your 30/06 projectiles and reload them into a .308 cartridge for your battle rifle if the need to do so ever arose..


20 posted on 11/09/2012 5:35:29 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: reed13k

A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.

On the other hand the 30-06 can run at speeds of 2600 fps to over 3200 fps. The 30-06 has the ability in the right type of rifle with a qualified rifleman over a 1000 meters. It can be loaded with everything from a 40 grain sabit all the way up to a 220 grain round nosed partition dangerous game round. This gives you the ability to shoot from ground hogs to brown bears.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 5:36:13 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: reed13k

http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle


22 posted on 11/09/2012 5:38:22 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: Bryanw92

the 30-30 is a carbine that shoots essentially pistol ammo. I had one once and loved it. I needed some arm rehab, though, and traded it for a compound bow and a pile of arrows and other bow stuff. That was great, too.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 5:38:53 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Bidimus1

“Bolt Guns are far easier to scope than a Lever * no mater what caliber”

Marlin Leverguns are just as easy to scope as a bolt gun.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 5:40:38 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: reed13k

Buy both so you have one to give to a family member when the SHTF.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 5:40:51 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: reed13k

I just completed a weapons class and the info I learned regarding the topic may interest you. 3030 stands for 30 caliber 30 grains. And 30.06 refers to 30 caliber and that the U.S. Army adopted this rifle in 1906. No more, and no less.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 5:44:13 PM PST by mainship_man
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To: Okieshooter

point taken.. you are correct

Bolt guns are easer to scope then Open TOPPED lever guns Win 94 etc.


27 posted on 11/09/2012 5:44:26 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: reed13k

Get ‘em both. You’ll have need of them shortly.


28 posted on 11/09/2012 5:46:03 PM PST by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: kingu

Well I’m trying to limit calibers and such so was looking to keep .22 in rifle and handgun, 12 and 410 shot (can use the 410 in the judge as well), .45, and then a longer range rifle which is what I’m considering next.


29 posted on 11/09/2012 5:47:36 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: reed13k

Can you deer hunt with a rifle in Ohio now? When I lived there I had to hunt with a shotgun.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 5:47:49 PM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.”

Brush bucking is a myth and depending on bullet muzzle velocity of 30-30 is quite a bit higher, about 2250 for a 150 gr and a couple hundred more with hornady Leverluton ammo. Also the Hornady ammo has pointed gummy tips that have high BC so they don’t slow down as fast as the round nosed bullets.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:03 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.”

Brush bucking is a myth and depending on bullet muzzle velocity of 30-30 is quite a bit higher, about 2250 for a 150 gr and a couple hundred more with hornady Leverluton ammo. Also the Hornady ammo has pointed gummy tips that have high BC so they don’t slow down as fast as the round nosed bullets.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:09 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“A 30-30 is usually a flat nosed or round nosed bullet intended for brush bucking. It has an effective range of 100-150 yds. The 30-30 runs about 1700 to 1850 fps and so sheds its speed quickly.”

Brush bucking is a myth and depending on bullet muzzle velocity of 30-30 is quite a bit higher, about 2250 for a 150 gr and a couple hundred more with hornady Leverluton ammo. Also the Hornady ammo has pointed gummy tips that have high BC so they don’t slow down as fast as the round nosed bullets.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 5:52:12 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: Bryanw92

The .30-30 has ballistics similar to the M43 round used in the AK-47, but normally uses heavier bullets. The .30-40 round was developed about the same time, for the Krag, and has similar ballistics (but uses a really slick bolt action and a 5 round ‘drop in’ magazine, permitting pointed bullets.

The .30/06 has factory rounds from 110 grain to 220 grain, and has been used on everything from prairie dogs to Cape Buffalo. It can be ld oaded from gentle to near magnum. You can even get tracer and armor piercing rounds, depending on our local laws.

The thick rim on the .30-30 makes it easier to accurately head space the round in the chamber, giving you a cheaper route to high accuracy. Reliable feed can be a problem if your magazines let the rims overlap.

Then take the 7.62X54R Russian. Velocity of the .30/06, and cheap head space of a Rimmed round. Alas, tracer and armor piercing rounds are usually illegal. You may have to extend your cheap Mosin-Nagant bayonet to get best accuracy.


34 posted on 11/09/2012 5:53:15 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: reed13k
If you're looking for something versatile, consider this. It's based on a concept that Col. Jeff Cooper developed about 25 years ago, and now it's in production.
35 posted on 11/09/2012 5:55:23 PM PST by Disambiguator (Choose wisely.)
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To: reed13k

How do you intend to use it? If you’re only hunting in the brushy mountains of PA, for instance, the 30-30 is O.K. But the 30-06 is much more versatile.

For brush hunting you can use a heavier projectile which will not be deflected easily in brushy situations. But you can also take it out west, use a lighter bullet and have a flat-shooting weapon for longer distances. Depending on the cartridge you use, the 06 will hunt anything from a grizzly or moose down to a groundhog or prairie dog.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 5:55:31 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: reed13k

The Chuck Connors “rifleman swing” is a bad idea. The muzzle of the rifle crosses your torso, and an accidental discharge at the wrong time would ruin quite a lot of your days. He could do it only because he had real long arms , and they made sure it was empty when he did it. They dubbed in the sound track of him firing, and you get the sound of 13 rounds firing with him working the action 11 times.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 6:01:21 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: dadgum

I would go with 308 or 30-06. Savage makes a great sub MOA bolt gun. With decent optics, you can expect excellent results.


38 posted on 11/09/2012 6:03:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: Jaxter

Nope that’s why I have the shotgun and a bow. But I want something in case I want to reach out with a little love. Besides I’ve always preferred rifle shooting since I competed in high school on our jrotc team many moons ago.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 6:06:50 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Okieshooter

“Brush bucking is a myth”

Not really. I’m talking about a regular old 30-30 with hardware store 170 grain round nose rounds.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 6:06:59 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: reed13k

4more years? My God just go get both. You’ll like them both for different reasons.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 6:08:01 PM PST by MrKatykelly
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To: Joe 6-pack

Nice summary Joe!


42 posted on 11/09/2012 6:10:12 PM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: reed13k
There is no comparison. The 30-06 is ballisticly far superior to the 30-30, both in knock-down power and accuracy.

And a bolt-action is far superior to a lever in terms of accuracy.

If you are looking for an economical tack-driver, the Savage Edge is goes for around $270. They aren't the best-looking guns, but they are accurate and reliable.

43 posted on 11/09/2012 6:12:14 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: digger48
been eying a Marlin 30-30 for some time now.

I've got a really nice Marlin Model 1936 Serial # B6xxx that was passed down from my grandfather to my dad and now me........

44 posted on 11/09/2012 6:18:06 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No he is right. Brush bucking is a total myth.

I once read of a thorough test using small wooden dowels. No round was even close to going straight after hitting one.

The big heavy bullets such as 45-70 didn’t do any better than the light fast ones. That is counter-intuitive but it is a fact.


45 posted on 11/09/2012 6:19:06 PM PST by yarddog
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To: reed13k

Can also get the Marlin in a .38 Special.

Thought about that since I have a Taurus Ultralight in 38 Spec and about 400 rounds already in the can.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 6:25:58 PM PST by digger48
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To: Jaxter

In Indiana, you can use handgun caliber rifles


47 posted on 11/09/2012 6:27:17 PM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

That’s what I grew up with as I’m a Hoosier native.


48 posted on 11/09/2012 6:33:16 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

To quote Cuck Hawks

“The hunter owes it to the game he hunts to try to shoot through gaps in the surrounding foliage, or to wait for a clear shot. No one should intentionally try to drive a bullet though brush to kill an animal on the far side.”

http://www.chuckhawks.com/woods_rifles.htm


49 posted on 11/09/2012 6:37:05 PM PST by Okieshooter
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To: digger48

I’ve been thinking about getting a .44 Magnum lever action rifle. 2 or 3 companies make them including Marlin. I haven’t hunted in years but I’d just kinda like to have one.


50 posted on 11/09/2012 6:43:35 PM PST by Jaxter ("Pro Aris et Focis")
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