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How will GOP solve fiscal cliff riddle?
Politico ^ | 11/8/12 11:09 PM EST | By STEVEN SLOAN and KELSEY SNELL

Posted on 11/08/2012 9:02:58 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

Republicans know they’re going to have to budge on revenues in the looming debt and spending debate. The question is when to blink.

The problem: Revenue increases, which could solve the fiscal cliff riddle this fall, are also their best bargaining chip for an even bigger fight to overhaul the Tax Code expected next year. GOP lawmakers — especially those on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee — say tax increases should happen only as part of a fundamental Tax Code rewrite that also lowers marginal tax rates, a policy dream that won’t be realized until next year at the earliest.

So with 53 days left until the U.S. plunges off the fiscal cliff, House Speaker John Boehner will have to decide whether to sacrifice revenue earlier than he and other Republicans had hoped — and right now, he’s not saying.


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KEYWORDS: cliff; fiscal; gop; riddle; takersvsmakers
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1 posted on 11/08/2012 9:03:08 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Increase all taxes on Movie and Theatrical release organizations.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 9:05:27 PM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

3 posted on 11/08/2012 9:05:49 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

It’s too late. The drunken sailors are in town to stay.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 9:08:21 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Funny... No mention of spending cuts from Politico. Puke.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 9:09:18 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The election didn’t solve the gridlock problem. Boehner won’t accept raising taxes and Obama won’t accept anything less so that leaves...taxmageddon. BOHICA.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 9:10:42 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The Democrats sure won’t . They created the damn thing!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/vampires-werewolves-and-the-post-election-market-reaction/


7 posted on 11/08/2012 9:10:55 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Huskrrrr

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

“The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

“The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

Prager Zeitungon

This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper

(I think it’s bloody brilliant, and should be passed on into viralocity.)


8 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:02 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

GOP will cave and will take away deductions causing people’s taxes to go up while being able to claim-”we did not raise tax rates-we won!”

You can see the parsing of words right now on Drudge: BOEHNER: Raising Tax Rates ‘Unacceptable’...

Not raising taxes...but raising rates is what he is against.

In exchange, the dems will cap increases in welfare for 5 years with an exception on families with children, families with medical needs, and families below the poverty line. (translation: exceptions for everyone)


9 posted on 11/08/2012 9:12:55 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: jessduntno
Increase all taxes on Movie and Theatrical release organizations.

Spot on!

10 posted on 11/08/2012 9:13:08 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Obama wins and it’s up to the GOP to fix this?!?

Let him put his effing plan out there. Let Obama come up with the solution, we’ll put it through, and he’ll be 100% accountable for the disaster.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 9:14:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The people voted to jump off of the cliff.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 9:15:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: icwhatudo

Raising Rates is a narrow statement.

Doesn’t mean that futzing with who’s in what rate bracket won’t go on.

Doesn’t mean that they won’t be for NEW taxes. You know under these extreme, special circumstances.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 9:16:33 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: icwhatudo
GOP will cave and will take away deductions causing people’s taxes to go up

My understanding is that this is the same as Romney's plan which was:

Lower rates for all.

Close loopholes for the rich (thereby simplifying the code which is what conservatives have been calling for for years).

If it's the same as Romney's plan the middle class still get their deductions up to $20,000 or something like that.

14 posted on 11/08/2012 9:18:20 PM PST by what's up
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To: what's up

Romney’s plan was to lower rates in exchange for eliminating deductions. Boner is saying he wants to eliminate deductions in order to keep rates from going up.

Keeping rates from increasing is not cutting rates.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 9:36:06 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
I have read several accounts that have Boehner talking about lowering rates...same as Romney.
16 posted on 11/08/2012 9:46:32 PM PST by what's up
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The voters put Obama back in power with his great ideas. I say let him and his buddies solve the problem. I would just say the voters have spoken and we will just stand aside and let Obama do his thing. We will just disavow with having anything to do with it. Within two years everything should just blow up in his and the dimoKKKRATS face.


17 posted on 11/08/2012 9:46:56 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: icwhatudo
Example from ABC News:

"The Ohio Republican said raising revenues would be accomplished through economic growth, lower tax rates, fewer tax loopholes and by making the tax code simpler and fairer."

18 posted on 11/08/2012 9:47:57 PM PST by what's up
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To: Parley Baer

Who is John Galt?


19 posted on 11/08/2012 9:50:40 PM PST by bazbo (God would have you vote your conscience, men would have you vote for a "winner".)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Why solve anything, the Fiscal Cliff was Obama’s idea, let him live with it. Let everyone see how much Bush actually cut their taxes and how much lying the Democrats have been doing for the past decade. It also provides some spending cuts. How long have we heard how hunkey dorey everything was when Bill Clinton was President. This basically sets the revenue picture back to that point and spending at least on a path to get there.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 9:55:42 PM PST by Steelers6
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

The GOP will do what it always does, cave into the Democrats.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 10:00:24 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

They will roll over and give the Democrats and Obama everything he wants as usual.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 10:00:49 PM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: Trueblackman

let’s hope they do...... the only way out of this is to speed up the destruction and then show how and why it failed. Then we rebuild. I say give them everything they want stand back and let it fail and the say “See, I told you so”


23 posted on 11/08/2012 10:07:01 PM PST by superfries
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Easy .

Every democrat is no on record saying its inaccurate characterize the election as “takers vs makers”, so they shall agree to a wide range of socials spending cuts, caps and holds!


24 posted on 11/08/2012 10:09:28 PM PST by NoLibZone ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic")
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To: jessduntno

and outlaw movie production tax breaks.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 10:10:53 PM PST by NoLibZone ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic")
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Fiscal cliff? Between a second-term, freed-up Marxist at the helm, and the insipid Boehner and the GOP-E salivating for amnesty? Go right off that cliff!! Let’s crash and burn! Best option. I’ll happily celebrate it. I’ll even roast marshmallows.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 10:16:59 PM PST by greene66
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

GOP solve? Democrats have senate & white house. GOP should watch the democrats stumble around. Let’s see how that works out for everyone .


27 posted on 11/08/2012 10:54:21 PM PST by Morris70
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
How will GOP solve fiscal cliff riddle?

Cave -- even though they have the majority and too many to fit into it.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 10:57:00 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Why are the Republicans allowing the responsibility to solve this be placed on them? The Democrats are the majority in Washington (Senate and Executive).


29 posted on 11/08/2012 11:33:43 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

FLAT TAX.....same percentage for EVERYONE after personal exemption!!! <P.The 47% that pay NOTHING need to PAY...PERIOD!


30 posted on 11/09/2012 1:32:01 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

It’s not the GPO’s to solve - the Dems own it and it’s up to them to either become sane or splash more gas on the fire. Back up a bit so you don’t lose your eyebrows when the flare-up hits...


31 posted on 11/09/2012 2:33:10 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: RC one
Boehner won’t accept raising taxes

Ni***, PLEASE!

PLEASE tell me you don't believe that.

If Paul Ryan is not elected Speaker of the House, I don't give a damn what the GOP does or does not do.

We elected this miserable majority to perform their vital constitutional role and so far they have done NOTHING.

Now, it's war or surrender, and I already know where Boehner stands.

32 posted on 11/09/2012 2:37:56 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Jim Noble

I like Boehner and I trust him and I think he’s a lot more conservative than he gets credit for. I also think he has done more for conservatives and republicans than the TEA party ever managed. the TEA party lost the senate for us. Boehner held the house. That’s good enough for me.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 3:02:04 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: RC one
I like Boehner and I trust him and I think he’s a lot more conservative than he gets credit for. I also think he has done more for conservatives and republicans than the TEA party ever managed. the TEA party lost the senate for us. Boehner held the house. That’s good enough for me.

Boehner did no such thing. He is part and parcel of the DC machine and will do nothing to fight the Dems.

He has not until now, and he will not do so in the future.

He should be our version of Nancy Pelosi, throwing a monkey wrench into everything Democrat, but he did not.

He has already caved--he can defund Obamacare, but he kicked the can down the road with a continuing resolution this fiscal year, he helped cave for the sequestration deal, and now announces he is ready to work with Obama and Obamacare is the law of the land.

You are seriously deluded if you trust this charlatan and think he and McConnell are going to do anything different than what they do best already--cave to the Democrats.

Watch the Weeper sell you and yours right down the Potomac River over the next six weeks.

34 posted on 11/09/2012 3:23:51 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

when has he caved on conservative issues? he has consistently been on the right side of every conservative issue and he has shrewdly managed to hold the house when the TEA managed to lose the senate. what did all of that purity gain Todd Akin and richard mourdock? For us? It screwed us. Are those losers helping to fight the dem agenda now? Hell no. But Boehner is still in the fight. You’re the one that’s deluded. don’t even try to lecture me on purity.


35 posted on 11/09/2012 3:41:30 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Republicans know they’re going to have to budge on revenues in the looming debt and spending debate.

False premise from the communists at 'politico'.

GOP doesn't have to do a damn thing, and shouldn't.

1) 0bama w0n. It's the 0bama ec0n0my ... let 0bama fix it. (Hah!)

2) Our problems do not stem from a lack of revenue. Our problems stem from a government which exists to facilitate the takers stealing from the makers, and an electorate containing of a critical mass of takers. We have become an electorate of thieves, represented by a senate of whores.

36 posted on 11/09/2012 3:55:05 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RC one

I noticed you didn’t respond to the charge that Boehner folded on the dent, the sequestration and now Obamacare.

All true and undeniable.

So I will say again—you are the deluded one. Boehner held nothing. Did’t even see his face during the campaign until the last weekend for Romney when he showed up at a campaign event.Where was he traveling anywhere to help GOP congressional candidates? You talk like he actually helped conservatives get elected.

Why won’t he say he’ll defund Obamacare if he is so conservative? When has he ever laid down the gauntlet to Reid and Obama? When has he ever told Pelosi off?

There’s your answer.

Boehner is not in any fight except for himself.

And the TEAs did not lose anything. In case you hadn’t noticed, it was Boehner and company that moved to isolate the TEAS when they came to Congress in Jan. 2011.

Why didn’t Boehner defund Obamacare then? Why did he just allow continuing resolutions into March 2013 to fund it when the American electorate overwhelming elected representatives to do just that in 2010?

Boehner just said Obamacare is the law of the land, and he wants the President to succeed. He just undercut your whole position.

You are deluded if you cannot see that.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 4:00:52 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ArrogantBustard
1) 0bama w0n. It's the 0bama ec0n0my ... let 0bama fix it. (Hah!)

I want to make an Obama bumper sticker, "Hey Obama voters, Own it!"

38 posted on 11/09/2012 4:05:18 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: exit82; RC one

The House of Representatives, were the constitutional system still functioning, would wield enormous power in our defense.

The Speaker (presuming the Speaker is of the majority) is the one official who can block unconstitutional Executive Branch activity.

This has been John Boehner’s job for the past two years, and he has been a miserable failure.

The House majority has to decide on open (political) war or appeasement. I have no illusions about who these Republican members are, but they’re all we have.

If the House fails to choose political war, by electing Paul Ryan Speaker, I fear that they will get the real thing before elections roll around again. THAT would be a disaster which we should take all possible measures to avoid - except the one measure Boehner seems capable of, which is appeasement.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 4:18:19 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: exit82
Obamacare is the law of the land. You're deluded. Boehner shuts down the government and we lose the house and then we're even more fu**ed than we are now. Ask Newt Gingrich. Again, you're deluded. He didn't fold on anything, he played the best and only game that he could play with the sh*t cards that were dealt to him. and guess what, the purists just dealt him an even sh*ttier hand so get ready to bend over pilgrim because elections have consequences and you're about to find that out the hard way.
40 posted on 11/09/2012 4:26:27 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: Jim Noble

extremists lost us the senate. Boehner’s leadership held the house. That’s more than enough for me. He played the best and only game he could realistically play with the cards he was dealt. Your words fall on deaf ears here.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 4:33:17 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: RC one; Jim Noble

Pal, read the post from Jim Noble.

Obamacare and any law can be the law of the land—but it does not have to be funded. Get it?

That would take balls and conviction, neither of which Boehner has.

Think if the roles were reversed and Pelosi was Speaker she would fund a Republican backed “law”?

And we “purists’ are so bad,aren’t we?

The purist Sarah Palin is the only reason Boehner got his job back as Speaker two years ago—she actually left Alaska and campaigned for conservatives, while Boehner was sitting back doing NOTHING in 2010.

Played the best game? Really? Then how the heck did we wind up with sequestration? I don’t even play poker, but I would never have played that game. Watch now as the military is gutted, and the terrorists start nipping at our weakened heels.Your boy accomplished that.

Your pity party for Boehner holds no water for me. Keep deluding yourself that he actually shives a git for you or for Conservatives. The delusion has served you well so far.


42 posted on 11/09/2012 4:36:10 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: TigersEye

The people voted to keep Repubs in control of the nation’s purse strings (House of Representatives is the “People’s House”). They have spoken and we should listen. If Obama doesn’t like fiscally responsible legislation, let him veto it and demonstrate who was insincere (lied) about a plan for recovery and solvency.

If the People don’t like hard truth, let em turn control of the House to the dems in 2014. When the nation goes irrevocably into the abyss in 2015/2016, then they can try to blame the Repubs (they always shift blame).

Parate bellum civile.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 4:39:10 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: RC one
Your words fall on deaf ears here.

We'll have to agree to disagree, then.

44 posted on 11/09/2012 4:44:04 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: exit82
Obamacare and any law can be the law of the land—but it does not have to be funded. Get it?

I get that you and anyone who thinks that this is really an option is delusional.

That would take balls and conviction, neither of which Boehner has.

Todd Akin had balls and conviction. So did Richard Mourdock. Laughable.

The purist Sarah Palin is the only reason Boehner got his job back as Speaker two years ago—she actually left Alaska and campaigned for conservatives, while Boehner was sitting back doing NOTHING in 2012

Yep, and then a handful of the purists went nucking futs and ruined a good thing.

Played the best game? Really? Then how the heck did we wind up with sequestration?

Because that's what happens when you're gridlocked and it's better than what happens when you're not gridlocked.

Your pity party for Boehner holds no water for me. Keep deluding yourself that he actually shives a git for you or for Conservatives. The delusion has served you well so far.

It ain't pity and his conservative credibility is intact. He held the House. You lost the Senate. You got nothing now. Deal with it or cry about it. It is what it is and you ain't in any position to demand a damn thing of anyone. Not after the game you played.

45 posted on 11/09/2012 4:50:16 AM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: RC one

Keep digging, pal.

You have not made one coherent point yet.

Boehner can defund obamacare and send it to Harry Reid, and what is Harry gonna do about it?

Boehner just flushed any winning card he had. Not how you play the game, son.

And thanks to Rove and company, you kissed Missouri goodbye.

Don’t pin that on Conservatives. Dems never would have not defended their candidate.

Boehner owes his position to the TEA party folks. You know, the folks you think are so stupid.

Now run along back to DU and sell your tripe there.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 4:57:06 AM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Let everyone of them exprie. Since most of the sheeple in the Swing States and elsewhere bought the notion the “Bush Tax Cuts” benefited the evil rich and they voted to end them with their votes. Soooo, it would serve them good to go into H&R Block or however they prepare their taxies in January 2014 to see their net refunds substantialy decrease and then see them ask themselves “ What the F-— happend?” If I were a tax preparer, I would point them back to the 2012 calender and the have the date of November 6 circuled to remind them.

The fun state to watch bitch about higer taxes is going to be California. Same thing with New York as they will raise thiet taxes through the roof on a local and state level to pay for storm damage I’m sure or atleast use it as an excuse. Throw in the federal incrasees and I say let them eat cake!


47 posted on 11/09/2012 4:59:58 AM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: Travis McGee

Excellent point...and much more disturbing.


48 posted on 11/09/2012 5:43:47 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: exit82
We need someone who will stand up to the opposition, and defend and espouse principles. Someone who will fight. What we have is a power seeking operator, and a negotiator whose starting position is supplication.

The obsequious Boehner MUST GO.

49 posted on 11/09/2012 6:44:51 AM PST by Ray76
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To: RC one
Obamacare is the law of the land. You're deluded. etc etc

Did you miss 2010? Remember that Tea Party rejection of Obamacare? Remember the big Republican gains?

Boehner and his cohort act like this never happened have done all they can to thwart the new members. They continue to enable Obama.

Just prior to the election Reid was proclaiming that Romney would get no cooperation. He now is claiming a mandate even though the balance of power has not changed much. Boehner says "We're ready to be led"

Democrats fight. Boehner does not.

The job is opposing the Democrats. He's not getting the job done. He has no intention of getting the job done. He blocks anyone who does try to get the job done. What good is he?

We've got to let him go.

50 posted on 11/09/2012 6:55:39 AM PST by Ray76
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